Machine Photos - Rotary Buffer - DA Polisher - Orbital Buffer

[Mike Phillips]

Machine Photos - DA Polishers - Rotary Buffers - Traditional Orbital Buffers (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23332)

Meguiar's G110
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/G110Large1.jpg

Meguiar's G100a - The letter "a" indicates this was sold with a backing plate, one W-8006 foam pad.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/G100a.jpg

Meguiar's G100 - With no letter "a" after the part number this indicates this was sold as the polisher only, no backing plate, no pad but other than that the tool is identical to the G100a
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/G100noBackingPlate.jpg


The Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher - Both 7224 and the 7336 models.
There were two part numbers for this tool, the 7224 and the 7336, the 7225 had a counterweight for a 5" backing plate and the 7336 had a counterweight for a 6" backing plate. No one have ever proved either counterweight provided any extra benefit when used with foam pads to polish paint. Remember, these tools were originally intended to sand wood and instead of attaching a foam pad to the backing plate a person would attach a piece of sanding paper which was thin and lightweight as compared to a foam pad which in contrast was large and thick and heavy after it becomes saturated with paint care products.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/PorterCableDAPolisher.jpg


UDM - Ultimate Detailing Machine - This is copy of the Porter Cable Unit

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/UltimateDetailingMachine.jpg



Griot's Garage Random Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/GriotsGarageRandomOrbitalPolisher.jpg

[Mike Phillips]

Machine Photos - Rotary Buffer - DA Polisher - Orbital Buffer


Rotary Buffers

The Makita 9227C Rotary Buffer with the Hoop Style Handle
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/MakitaRotaryBuffer9227C.jpg


The Hitachi Rotary Buffer with the Hoop Style Handle
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/HitachiRotaryBuffer.jpg

The DeWalt 849 Rotary Buffer with the Stick Style Handle
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/DeWalt849RotaryBuffer.jpg


The Milwaukee Rotary Buffer
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/MilwaukeeRotaryBuffer.jpg



Snap-On Blue Point Rotary Buffer (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=yes&tool=power&item_ID=68325&group_ID=928&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog)
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/SnapOnBluePointRotaryBuffer.jpg



Porter Cable 7428 Rotary Buffer
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/PorterCableRotaryBuffer.jpg



Vector Rotary Buffer
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/VectorRB02.jpg

[Mike Phillips]

A collection of available Orbital Polishers, also called Orbital Buffers.


This is an 18 volt Ryobi Cordless Model
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/RyobiOne18voltPolisher.jpg


Sealy Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/SealeyER230P.jpg



WEN Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/Wem10inchorbitalbuffer.jpg



Vector Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/vector10RandomOrbitalPolisher.jpg



Cyclo Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/CycloPolisher.jpg http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/CycloPolisher2.jpg


GEM Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/GEM14_5LB_OrbitalPolisher.jpg


RD Cordless Orbital Polisher
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/RD-240Cordless_Orbital_Buffre_Waxer.jpg



Sears Craftsman Polisher Model 10720
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/Craftsman10720.jpg

[Mike Phillips]

Miscellaneous Tools - Emerging Technology


Metabo Disc Sander SXE 400
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/MetaboSXE400.jpg



Griot's Garage 3" Random Orbital Polisher - Looks like it's either a re-labeled Metabo or a knock off.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/GriotsGarage3inchRandomOrbitalPolisher.jpg

[Andy M.]

Hey Mike,

Why not add the G100 and the G110 so people can see the difference. Maybe include the UDM.

Andy

[Mike Phillips]

Did you see the two posts with the word placeholder in them?

Patience Grasshopper....

:laughing

[Mike Phillips]

Hey Mike,

Why not add the G100 and the G110 so people can see the difference. Maybe include the UDM.

Andy


Check it out now Andy...

And we're not finished...

:)

[Andy M.]

Did you see the two posts with the word placeholder in them?

Patience Grasshopper....

:laughing

AHHH YES MASTER! I SEE IT NOW. I MUST HAVE GOTTEN MY YIN AND YANG MESSED UP! :D
CONFUCIUS SAY, MAN WHO WALKS BEHIND CAR, GETS EXHAUSTED!

I don't know where that came from......Just my mind wandering.

Andy

[g88]

This is the Orbital Buffer we used in Malaysia - Bosch GEX-270AE

Sorry about the pic as GEX is just look alike
:showpics:

http://abzarsara.com/images/products/bosch/sanders/GEX270AE.jpg

[netspec]

Here's Flex 3403!

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj39/netspec/Flex_Polisher_L_3403_VRG.jpg

[Raymond]

This thread is great for classifying the different types of machines, thanks!

I have a question though, someone has this listed for sale on my local forums and I'm thinking of picking it up if you guys think I could use it on my paint...

He has it listed as a "Craftsman 6" sander/polisher *NEW* "

And he has this picture (I'm assuming he got it off the internet):
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e180/blackstang04/sander.jpg

Any info on this one? Have any of you used it? Could I use this on my paint for swirl removal, polish application, etc etc? Just curious, it's for sale pretty cheap already and I know the guy so I might get an even better deal.

[Mike Phillips]

He has it listed as a "Craftsman 6" sander/polisher *NEW* "

And he has this picture (I'm assuming he got it off the internet):
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e180/blackstang04/sander.jpg

Any info on this one? Have any of you used it? Could I use this on my paint for swirl removal, polish application, etc etc? Just curious, it's for sale pretty cheap already and I know the guy so I might get an even better deal.

This is a rotary buffer and if you've never used a rotary buffer before then you should really look at starting out with a DA Polisher or Orbital Polisher or even do your work by hand. The Rotary Buffer is quite the animal to jump to if all you've ever done is work by hand.

There's hundreds of threads on this forum with questions like yours and detailed answers.

There may be more then one such thread in Hot Topics (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80) but here's one to start you off with.

Can a Rotary Buffer like a Makita or DeWalt be as Idiot-proof as a PC? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6680)

Also read all the threads on how to avoid holograms and swirls using a rotary buffer in Hot Topics and see what people struggle with when they use this tool.

[Raymond]

Since he's selling it fairly cheap would it be worth picking up, to use at a later date once I have more experience? In your opinion of course lol.. thanks for the quick reply as always!!

[Mike Phillips]

Since he's selling it fairly cheap would it be worth picking up, to use at a later date once I have more experience? In your opinion of course lol.. thanks for the quick reply as always!!

If you think you're interest in detailing cars is going to stick with you for a while then might as well pick it up if it truly is a good deal. Check on eBay to see if there are similar models for sale as eBay can often times be a barometer of what the going price is for items.

[PorscheGuy997]

I just want to mention one thing about the 6" Craftsman polisher.

It uses a doesn't use the standard 5/8" thread for rotary backing plates.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21521&highlight=craftsman+thread

[cyberized]

Mike - - - Could you please POST here or the G110 Thread [some place] and announce WHEN the NEW shipment of G110s arrive in Irvine........in order that those of us who are waiting for our replacements can start looking forward to getting back to work.

TKS Michael:bigups

[Sydster]

Great Thread Mike! But I was just wondering why you did not include the Flex Rotary and DA.

:scratchhead1

[Mike Phillips]

Great Thread Mike! But I was just wondering why you did not include the Flex Rotary and DA.

:scratchhead1

Not done yet. (Think we posted this on the first page of this thread?)

This is a WIP Thread, that is a Work In Progress Thread, it may never be finished as long as new technologies keep evolving, or in other words, as long as existing machines keep evolving and new machines are invented.

We collect pictures in a file for this thread and as we can fit the process of processing the photos, (look to see what size the majority of the rotary buffer photos are), upload them, gather some information and then insert them into the appropriate post into our multi-tasking queue, we do.

Patience Grasshopper.


:)

[netspec]

Mike,

I posted a photo of a Flex 3403 rotary and I hope I wasn't incorrect in doing so. If that is the case, please remove it.

[Sydster]

Not done yet. (Think we posted this on the first page of this thread?)

This is a WIP Thread, that is a Work In Progress Thread, it may never be finished as long as new technologies keep evolving, or in other words, as long as existing machines keep evolving and new machines are invented.

We collect pictures in a file for this thread and as we can fit the process of processing the photos, (look to see what size the majority of the rotary buffer photos are), upload them, gather some information and then insert them into the appropriate post into our multi-tasking queue, we do.

Patience Grasshopper.



:)

I see, I'm sorry my Master. :laughing

[southpactire]

Mike,

Can you put a "sticky" on this thread? This is great information and it would be really handy to have it up near the product, pad & speed recomendations on both the rotary & DA threads.

Stacy

[Tim Lingor]

Mike,

Can you put a "sticky" on this thread? This is great information and it would be really handy to have it up near the product, pad & speed recomendations on both the rotary & DA threads.

Stacy

Agreed. I have stuck the thread. :)

Tim

[ismaelg]

Great thread! I'm new to all this so I have a lot of questions. I can see the difference between a rotary and a DA, but what is the difference between a DA and an orbital? I thought they were the same.

Thanks,
Ismael

[gb387]

This is a neat thread - Sooner or Later I am going to need to get a g110! The 7424 has had tons of use and still works but I am always up for new tools!

[Gordonho]

any one use makita PV7000C ??? any comment about it ?

[Gordonho]

http://www.meguiars.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50060&sid=fbf4b54248875cd8cdbe01b3ae104118

[Mike Phillips]

any one use makita PV7000C ??? any comment about it ?

We have one at Meguiar's Garage but we never use it. A rotary buffer is flatter instead of taller like this tool which is basically like a 1/2" drill with a 5/8" spindle instead of a drill chuck.

With a rotary buffer, you have a longer tool which give you leverage over the tool to better control it. With this Drill-style buffer you have a taller tool with a shorter handle and thus you have less leverage over the tool.

This is going to force you to use more muscle to control it.

Personal preference as they both do the same type of work that is they are both direct drive, rotating machines.

http://www.iamwashmania.com/album/colordetailing/Z4-00026.jpg


Not sure if that helps and gives you the information you're looking for?

p.s.

Welcome to Meguiar's Online!

:)

[dragonballz]

Is the only difference between a DA and Orbital is the way it's held?

[Mike Phillips]

Is the only difference between a DA and Orbital is the way it's held?

No.

The difference depends upon what kind of tool you have. The tool in the above picture is not a DA or an Orbital, which are the same types of tools, but is a Rotary Buffer.

On this forum we call a DA polisher the Porter Cable style which is what our G100 is.

we call things that look like these
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/SealeyER230P.jpghttp://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/731/Wem10inchorbitalbuffer.jpg

TRADITION Orbital Buffers

Click this link and you can see pictures of all styles on one page,

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23332


:D

[Gordonho]

Thanks for the information,mike. i'm actually got a TRADITION Orbital Buffers, but it broken. so i need to find new machine for my car. At my side here, no much brand machine i can find. Too bad ..

i saw a profesional car care center using Makita PV7000C and 9227C. that's why i ask for PV7000C. anywhere i'm going to try it too~ :) . trying to find something i like ..

[Gordonho]

reffer to the picture , are they using meguiars pad ? which model it that ? anyone can tell ? I like meguiars products , just poor my country here can't get meguiars DUAL ACTION :( ..

[Mike Phillips]

reffer to the picture , are they using meguiars pad ? which model it that ? anyone can tell ? I like meguiars products , just poor my country here can't get meguiars DUAL ACTION :( ..

If you're referring to this picture, it's a Makita Rotary Buffer, Drill-Style and that is a Meguiar's W-9000 Foam Cutting Pad.

:)

[TimG]

reffer to the picture , are they using meguiars pad ? which model it that ? anyone can tell ? I like meguiars products , just poor my country here can't get meguiars DUAL ACTION :( ..

Yes you can get G220 in Malaysia. If i'm not mistaken, Hypercoat (KL)has them or ACE KL.

Picture sourced from PuDen (Megs Msia)

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk91/alfialfuddin/DSCN2839.jpg

Hope this helps.

Tim.

[Gordonho]

i have called to Hypercoat , and talk to the manager. he said the machine still under SIRIM test . so i can't buy from them yet. Beside waiting .i going to get the makita 1st. thanks ur info mike and tim .. thanks !

[Gordonho]

here is my question , if i get meguiar's rotary Buffer backing plates , what size foam pads i going to use ? 6", 7" or 8" ?

[PorscheGuy997]

Which plate were you looking at getting?

In my opinion, the W66 is the best plate that I've tried (so far).

If I were you, I'd get the W66 or W68 so that you can use the new Soft Buff 2.0 pads. They make centering a breeze.

The W64 plate is compatible with the original Soft Buff and Solo pads, but not the Soft Buff 2.0 pads. The centering butting gets in the way.

[TimG]

+1 with Chris


W64 - 6.5"pads W65 - 8" pads W66 -solo & 2.0 pads W68 (new 09 product) -2.0 pads

[Gordonho]

wow ! thanks for the Fast reply ; it is 5/8" and 600-2000rpm, what will be more suit ? cos i haven't try meguiars pads b4 .. thanks for the Info.

[Gordonho]

hi, any one use DW443 Random-Orbit Sander?

[TimG]

Search through Megs Malaysia's Forum and autoworld msia; couple of them are using it. I have one and so far its ok. Its quite noisy though.

[PorscheGuy997]

Kevin used to sell the DW443 (Griot's polisher).

I'm sure he'll chime in soon.

[eijeiy]

hi guys i am from philippines and i'm planning to buy a DA machine unfortunately there's no porter cable here or G100a although havent called megs philippines heheh anyway i find this Bosch random orbital sander model is GEX 125-1 AE inputs are highly appreciated :D
<table style="font-size: 13px;" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="340"><tbody><tr><td>Specification </td><td> GEX 125-1 AE Professional </td></tr><tr><td> Rated power input </td><td> 250 W </td></tr><tr><td> No-load speed </td><td> 7,500 to 12,000 rpm </td></tr><tr><td> Oscillating circuit diameter </td><td> 2.5 mm </td></tr><tr><td> Orbital stroke rate </td><td> 15,000 to 24,000 opm </td></tr><tr><td> Sanding plate diameter </td><td> 125 mm </td></tr><tr><td> Weight </td><td> 1.3 kg </td></tr></tbody></table>http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/3057231733_98ee703718_m.jpg
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/3057231733_c9fa2898d6_o.jpg)

[Mike Phillips]

Because most electric orbital sanders are only built to be used with a thin piece of sandpaper, they don't have the power to move a foam pad especially after it starts to get wet with product.

The Porter Cable unit is one of the only traditional electric wood sander that actually has the power.

There's also a huge difference in spreading out a coat of wax and removing swirls, removing swirls requires lots of power because removing swirls means removing paint.

:)

[eijeiy]

thanks for the quick reply mike, so what can you suggest to a newbie like me, rotaries are available here but i havent tried it yet and its too risky to use it, with porter cable we have electrical issues since its 110V. i really want a machine cause its easier to detail a car, really need help....

[irf@n]

Here is mine RB... :)

It works between 900-11.000 rpm (under load)

The price is about 60 $ in Turkey.

BOSCH GWS 6-115 E (Made in China)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/BoschRotaryBuffer.jpg


http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5885/dscn5287ql2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)<o:p></o:p>

[HealthyCivic]

Is the Porter Cable DA the exact same machine as the Meguiar's DA (besides lettering)?

[Mark Kleis]

Is the Porter Cable DA the exact same machine as the Meguiar's DA (besides lettering)?

Not anymore. The old G100 was a re-labeled PC 7424, but with a LIFETIME warranty backed by Meguiar's.

The new G110 is a fully in-house designed from the ground up different tool with 25%~ more power than the old PC models. Anyone with significant DA/PC use can tell you that power is typically lacking, and much appreciated. That's why the new G110 is so nice :drool1