#83, #81, Nxt

[P Burke]

Applied 83 with my PC using polish pad. Stopped buffing as 83 starts to show shine and wiped off with terry. Applied 81 trying to leave a thin file, but had to resort to the terry as the MF could not remove some of the areas that I think were too thick (gummy). Applied the NXT and left a thin film for 20 min and it came off just fine with MF leaving a really flawless finish. Should the 81 be applied till it is almost dry like the 83? Seems it would have then been as easy to remove as the NXT.

Used W-8006 for 83 and NXT. Used W-9006 for 81
04 Black Lexus RX330

[ebpcivicsi]

I don't buff #81 until it is gone. Whether or not that is the right I don't know, but it works for me. What I like to do is work a small section with the PC, then wipe lightly with a MF until it is almost gone, then flip to the dry side of the MF for final removal. It maybe a bit "sticky" at first, but once the "wet side" of the MF collects a little product it will be much smoother.

If high quality 100% cotton works for you, I would stick to it.

Cotton towels turned out beautiful cars for years before MF came along. I remember when I was a kid, that is all I used. Heck I still reach for a royal velvet or a charisma from time to time.

[AutoNova]

Why use #81 and #83? Why not polish then use #9 then NXT?

[P Burke]

Simple: "Mike Phillips" recommended 83 then 81 then NXT. So I used as instructed. Now I'm trying to fill in the fine points of how to do it right. I'm learning slowly that 83 does most of it's work when it is almost gone. I remember I was told to leave the thin film of NXT but do not know about the 81.

[Mike Phillips]

Just to chime in...

I haven't noticed the #81 ever becoming difficult, or gummy to remove. It should not be buffed until almost gone, but while it's still leaving a fairly wet film. There are no diminishing abrasives in the #81 to break down so the goal is to apply a thin, even, but well worked in coating then move to another area.

Try again and don't buff so long. Also, keep your PC setting at 4.0 or lower for the #81, this is a product that shouldn't need to be worked aggressively, especially after the #83 if it has done it's work.

As far as the Tech Wax goes, like the #81, keep your PC speed at 4.0 or lower and don't work the product until it's gone. Work it like the #81, that is a thin, even, well worked in coating and then move on.

Hope this helps...

Mike

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

Just to piggy back what has already been said, I have found that I prefer to apply and remove #81 one panel at a time. I thoroughly work it in, but make sure that it is still damp for removal.

Give it another shot and keep us posted! :)

Tim

[P Burke]

That worked just fine. Now, one more question. This black onyx lexus was built in Japan in December 03. Car looks great. Gets nothing but compliments over the deep color and shine. But, at certain angles I can still see very fine hair line random scratches. These cannot be felt. The sun has to be at just the right angle to see them. A photo would not show them as they are just too fine and as I said the light cannot be controlled. Not in my mind. Verified by others. More like spider web than swirl. Is this normal or can these be removed with something more agressive than 83? Can a clear coated pure black finish be made flawless from all angles or is this a term meaning it meets a standard of excellence ? Am I being too particular ?

[manueljlg]

Originally posted by P Burke
That worked just fine. Now, one more question. This black onyx lexus was built in Japan in December 03. Car looks great. Gets nothing but compliments over the deep color and shine. But, at certain angles I can still see very fine hair line random scratches. These cannot be felt. The sun has to be at just the right angle to see them. A photo would not show them as they are just too fine and as I said the light cannot be controlled. Not in my mind. Verified by others. More like spider web than swirl. Is this normal or can these be removed with something more agressive than 83? Can a clear coated pure black finish be made flawless from all angles or is this a term meaning it meets a standard of excellence ? Am I being too particular ?

I wish this question had an answer....:confused: :confused:

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by P Burke
Can a clear coated pure black finish be made flawless from all angles or is this a term meaning it meets a standard of excellence ? Am I being too particular ?

The answer is yes, but unless it's in a museum, to be viewed in any light, from any angle, the flawless results must be constantly maintained by re-application of either polish or wax, or both.

Mike