New paint looks hazy/dull

[echoesian]

Recently i sent my 1 month old car for repair my left rear bottom door
panel. He knocked out the dent and respray with black color and let it
dry(bake) inside the oven room. After that he polished the repainted area
with compound and glaze. From my observation the repainted area seems looking hazy and not look like the original (factory) paint :(.

The original factory paint reflect light like a mirror very crystal clear but not the same
as the new paint :( Any idea wat caused the problem? Should i bring back to
the workshop to redo or is there any alternative to make it as near to the
original paint? I dun need 100% match but at least near

[Murr1525]

Is it dull becasue there are scratches in the surface, or the clearcoat has no scratches, but it is just dull?

[echoesian]

the paint does not have any obvious scratches but have some swirls when the painter reuse the polish sponge :(

Would this be "hologram"

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

Do you have some close up photos of the hazy paint you are referring to? I would like to see what we are dealing with.

Tim

[echoesian]

I will snap the photo and post it here very soon

[Mike Phillips]

Does it look like any of the below photos of this car that was recently painted and then botched, errr.... I mean buffed... :)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls1.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls2.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls3.jpg


Is it just me or do the above picture make you cringe and your eyes hurt?

[echoesian]

hi Mike,

Yeah it is kinda looking like this, it's like a mirror which has not been cleaned for some time and the image of the reflection is blurred.

The original factory paint is clear on the image reflection.

Furthermore, if one look carefully, there are many lines showing up beneath the paint which I believed is the result from the cements that has been pasted on the dents before spraying.

[echoesian]

Here is the photo

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sk_evan/detail?.dir=/65c6&.dnm=8645.jpg

[echoesian]

The red color mark is the blurred part which is the new paint and the blue mark is the original factory paint

[zey]

Echoesian, it'll be good if the object is focused clearly. However, judging from the photo, I would think that your paint is suffering from massive orange peel problem. This could be caused right from the primer/filler layer. How much did you pay for the paint job?

[echoesian]

Wow! it seems very serious!! :( What im gonna to do with it? Should i ask the paint shop to repaint it? I've paid 350 for just the workmanship and paint for the bottom part of the door panel and some scratches polish on the edge of the back fender.

Btw what is orange peel?? pls help how to i get rid of it pls...

[zey]

For RM350, you should get excellent quality paint job. The paint job you get doesn't match the price you paid, at all. I would recommend you to bring it back to the painter and see what he says. However, I've come across some stubborn painters who accept that their workmanship is poor. In fact, massive of orange peel to them is considered good quality.

Here is the website which describes about orange peel:

Orange Peel (http://www.glasurit.com/Service/AdviceOnPaintDefects/PD-orange.html)

[Mike Phillips]

You could try polishing to try to improve it but this will require a rotary buffer to make any real substantial gains but the problem starts with the paint that was applied and the responsibility should be with the shop that did the work. Perhaps try printing this thread out and taking it with you and discussing these results with the shop owner?

[echoesian]

Today i just went to the paint shop to clarify with the worker. He said is not a big deal just because it was not dried properly. So, he immediately wet sand it and polish it several times with paste compound using a rotary. After few attempts, the paint still remains the same. Later, he changed to a different sponge for the rotary claimed that it is much powerful sponge. The result was wonderful mirror like reflection! but it's too shining!! Glossy than the original now. Another thing, is the bottom edge of my left rear fender didn't polished, he told if using the sponge the paint will hurt & peel off :) However i think it's enough, at least im more comfortable now.

I don't know what brand of the compound he's using, can u guys recommend a polish/compound that can be done by hand to get rid of those orange peel? I'm intend to polish the smaller parts of my rear fender with hand. Is that possible to just polish without need to wet-sand? because i've no experience in wet sanding

[zey]

Congrats echoesian! Don't feel bad about what you've experienced, because it's a very common issue in our local paintshop. To them, it's not a problem at all as long as the paint colour matches. Hence they're not a detail er.

I don't know what brand of the compound he's using
Most probably they're using Farecla G3.

can u guys recommend a polish/compound that can be done by hand to get rid of those orange peel?
You need a rotary buffer to reduce the orange peel appearance.

My answers could be wrong, but that's what my 2 cents worth. :)

[silvSS03]

What products would you guys recommend to remove those swirls?

[Mike Phillips]

What products would you guys recommend to remove those swirls?

You mean these swirls?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls1.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls2.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BadSwirls3.jpg

[Mike Phillips]

By hand
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7011


By machine
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2965

[yalerd]

I can't see that picture.