Would this be redundant?

[kpagel]

I'm just curious, if my goal is to have a 100% perfectly prepped surface, would the MPPC step in this process be redundant since I'm using a cleaner/polish as well?

Wash
Clay
MPPC
83 (as needed)
80
LSP

Thanks.

[Jeff Smith]

Re: Would this be redundant?

Originally posted by kpagel
I'm just curious, if my goal is to have a 100% perfectly prepped surface, would the MPPC step in this process be redundant since I'm using a cleaner/polish as well?

Wash
Clay
MPPC
83 (as needed)
80
LSP

Thanks.

Off the top of my head I would say yes it is unneccessay for the MPPC step. Personnaly I would skip that. It might be worth considering if you were going to skip the #83 & #80. In other words, if the finish warrented it you could go Wash>Clay>MPPC>the to a pure polish like #7 then your waxes. But IMHO applying the MPPC prior to using 2 cleaner polishes is a bit redundant. But I guess this might depend on just how bad the finish is.

On the flip side of the coin. I have since posts regarding the use of MPPC (or another paint cleaner) prior to the claying on finishes with heavy oxidation to pull the oxidation off prior to claying.

[kpagel]

Re: Re: Would this be redundant?

Originally posted by Jeff Smith
Off the top of my head I would say yes it is unneccessay for the MPPC step. Personnaly I would skip that. It might be worth considering if you were going to skip the #83 & #80. In other words, if the finish warrented it you could go Wash>Clay>MPPC>the to a pure polish like #7 then your waxes. But IMHO applying the MPPC prior to using 2 cleaner polishes is a bit redundant. But I guess this might depend on just how bad the finish is.

On the flip side of the coin. I have since posts regarding the use of MPPC (or another paint cleaner) prior to the claying on finishes with heavy oxidation to pull the oxidation off prior to claying.

Thanks, thats pretty much what I figured. This post was really just to satisfy my own curiosity. Unfortunately, I don't have any vehicles to detail at the moment.

[Jeff Smith]

There may be instances where doing things in the order you laid out would be beneificial. But, speaking for myself, I have not come accross them. Maybe some of the folks with more experience will chime in.

I do know that it seems to be that "some" folks "feel" that a separate cleaning and polishing steps will yield better results. But using MPPC followed by #83 then #80 seems a bit much. Maybe I am going to get educated on this one with you.

[black240sx]

You could use MPPC after #80 to get higher gloss. This is probably only worthwhile on dark colours.

[kpagel]

Originally posted by black240sx
You could use MPPC after #80 to get higher gloss. This is probably only worthwhile on dark colours.

Alright, I might be misguided, but how would it add gloss? As far as I know, #80 adds gloss because it contains the trade secret oils. From what I understand, MPPC does not have these, so it would remove the oils left behind, wouldn't it? If I'm confused or misinformed, please tell me. I'm trying to learn.

[black240sx]

The abrasives in MPPC are finer and will leave a smoother finish. You are right that it has no polishing oils, though, so you might want to follow up with some #7 Show Car Glaze.

[Hannibal]

I used #81 polish after #80 and #83. IMHO it added an extra deep wet look after it was finished. I say go for it.

[wetlook]

Originally posted by black240sx
The abrasives in MPPC are finer and will leave a smoother finish. You are right that it has no polishing oils, though, so you might want to follow up with some #7 Show Car Glaze.

Interesting opinion, black240sx. I never considered using MPPC as a finishing polish.

I've observed that MPPC leaves the finish squeaky clean so following it with #7 makes sense.

Since MPPC is discontinued, I think #82 Swirl Free Polish would be a good substitute - either as a finishing step or as the first test polish.

It's a shame I can't get #82 SFP in my country.

kpagel, are you using the rotary or the PC? I used MPPC with the rotary @ 600rpm and a black Lake Country variable-contact pad with great results on a 1992 diamond black metallic BMW.

[kpagel]

Originally posted by wetlook
Interesting opinion, black240sx. I never considered using MPPC as a finishing polish.

I've observed that MPPC leaves the finish squeaky clean so following it with #7 makes sense.

Since MPPC is discontinued, I think #82 Swirl Free Polish would be a good substitute - either as a finishing step or as the first test polish.

It's a shame I can't get #82 SFP in my country.

kpagel, are you using the rotary or the PC? I used MPPC with the rotary @ 600rpm and a black Lake Country variable-contact pad with great results on a 1992 diamond black metallic BMW.

I'd be using it with a PC, but I do have a Makita. Still practicing on that, so its not touching any good cars yet. Thanks for the tips!