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**Alex C.** · Jun 24, 2009, 03:20 PM

Re: NXT over M7

No, it will not. That is the combo i used on my truck and it came out great.

**Tuck91** · Jun 24, 2009, 03:22 PM

Re: NXT over M7

The trick with using M07 is not to let it dry at all. If you have a hard time removing it, either re apply and re work it in, or a spritz of quik detailer should aid in the removal.

**Alex C.** · Jun 24, 2009, 03:25 PM

Re: NXT over M7

Listen to Nick. I forgot to mention how stubborn #7 can be if allowed to dry. Nothing horrible, just extra work.

**Justin A** · Jun 24, 2009, 04:40 PM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by Black150 View Post

Listen to Nick. I forgot to mention how stubborn #7 can be if allowed to dry. Nothing horrible, just extra work.

Lies. It's nasty to remove once it dries...like trying to remove rubberized coatings.
Be sure to work a small section at a time, don't allow it to dry, and things will be more than fine.

#7 doesn't actually leave anything on the paint, so when using NXT afterwards, there's nothing to actually remove since it all came off with the wipedown. The polishing oils and minerals actually penetrate into the surface rather than sitting on top like a wax or sealant.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

**Slicked** · Jun 24, 2009, 04:50 PM

Re: NXT over M7

I would have thought that the cleaners in NXT 1.0 would remove M7, while NXT 2.0 would not because it does not have any noteable cleaning action.

**Justin A** · Jun 24, 2009, 08:33 PM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by Slicked View Post

I would have thought that the cleaners in NXT 1.0 would remove M7, while NXT 2.0 would not because it does not have any noteable cleaning action.

See what I said above.

You could use #80 after #7 and not remove the #7, because the #7 absorbs into the paint rather than sitting on the surface like a wax or sealant.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong...

**Tuck91** · Jun 24, 2009, 08:35 PM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by Justin A View Post

See what I said above.

You could use #80 after #7 and not remove the #7, because the #7 absorbs into the paint rather than sitting on the surface like a wax or sealant.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong...

whether you use M80 or M07, on certain colors you wont see a difference.

**akimel** · Jun 24, 2009, 09:49 PM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by mjohn View Post

Will NXT remove M7?

I think that is a good question. NXT 2.0 does have some light cleaners. The bottle states that a coat of NXT will "visually eliminate fine swirls and micro-scratches," which I interpret to mean that it can actually remove defects rather than just hiding them. If it has this much abrasive power, one wonders therefore, what it will to the oils left behind by M07.

Only Meguiar's itself can give us a reliable answer. I'm not sure an accurate judgment can be made by us private citizens. I know I would like to read a definitive public response from Meguiar's, not only to fulfill my curiosity but also to have something to point to when others on other forums raise this question. How strong are NXT's cleaners? What do they do to a glaze that was just applied to your paint? etc.

I suppose one can do two side-by-side panels, one that has been polished by #7 and topped with NXT and another waxed just with NXT. Will anyone be able to see a difference between the two panels?

**Tim Lingor** · Jun 25, 2009, 07:18 AM

Re: NXT over M7

Morning,

The specialized cleaners in NXT Tech Wax will remove some of the M07, but not enough to lose its value in doing that extra step.

On base coat/clear coat paint used on most cars/trucks today, M07 Show Car Glaze fills in the micro-fissures on the paint, but does not penetrate the paint. Meguiar's M07 was originally designed for single stage paint, but still has value on today's BC/CC paints, especially with the darker colors.

One of my favorite combos that I used for over 20 years is M07 topped with M20 Polymer Sealant. The M20 does contain slightly stronger cleaners than the NXT, but again, they are not strong enough to remove all of the M07.

Tim

**Tim Lingor** · Jun 25, 2009, 07:27 AM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by Tuck91 View Post

whether you use M80 or M07, on certain colors you wont see a difference.

Hi Nick,

That is a point of contention. Some may see no difference at all while others may. On white, IMHO (

), the M07 adds slightly more gloss to the paint. But the difference is so small that unless you have detailed for a lvery ong time, most would not even notice it.

In this detail, I used M80 for both its cleaning properties but also for its TS Oils as I know that particular color as well as several shades of metallic steel grays and blues all benefit from M80.

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Again, while the difference may be slight, even negligible in some cases, I still like to use M07 or at the very least M80!

Tim

**Underdawg736** · Jun 25, 2009, 07:29 AM

Re: NXT over M7

Definately go with that M07/NXT combo! That's one I use and have had nothing but outstanding results. I work the M07 in 2'x2' sections at a time to minimize it drying and then overlaping the edges on the next section to keep an even layer.

**Michael Stoops** · Jun 25, 2009, 07:49 AM

Re: NXT over M7

Originally posted by akimel View Post

The bottle states that a coat of NXT will "visually eliminate fine swirls and micro-scratches,"

"Visually eliminate" is different from "physically eliminate". As has been discussed many, many times here on MOL, if an LSP is doing its job - ie, leaving a thin layer behind - then simply by nature of this it is going to conceal defects to some degree. This will also hold true for various pure polishes/glazes. Consider the body shop that rotary buffs a fresh paint job and then "conceals" the holograms with a pure polish/glaze, only to have them show up after a few washes. Something is definitely being left behind in order for this to happen.

But to the original question about using NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 over M07 Show Car Glaze: most definitely do it, without worry about the NXT 2.0 removing the M07. Just keep in mind that Tim Lingor makes a very good point with regard to light colors: "Some may see no difference at all while others may." Eye of the beholder as it were.

**OhioCarBuff** · Jun 25, 2009, 11:28 AM

Re: NXT over M7

I just detailed my brothers car and noticed an interesting phenomenon regarding pure polish. He has a 6 year old black daily driver, all the paint is origional except for a fender that has been recently repainted. When I buffed the whole car the origional paint was equally as shiny and swirl free as the fender that has new paint. I used #81 on the whole car and it made a definate difference on the 6 year old paint, however it made no difference at all on the fender with the new paint. This leads me to belive that the micro fissures Tim was talking about are more profound on paint as it ages.

**mjohn** · Jun 25, 2009, 08:18 PM

Re: NXT over M7

thanks for all of the replies

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