Sticky Paint topic

[AquaBlue]

can anybody share anything on how to work with this kind of paint? very very tricky and stubborn paint I should say...what exactly is causing a paint to "behave" like this? is there any advantages coming out of this paint type?
thx before.

[BobbyG]

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So what you're saying is the paint itself is sticky or tacky? Please help us a bit more so that we can give you some accurate comments.

[Mike Phillips]

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Is this a black Infinity by chance?

[BobbyG]

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Is this a black Infinity by chance?

Mike, do you have a crystal ball?

[AquaBlue]

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So what you're saying is the paint itself is sticky or tacky? Please help us a bit more so that we can give you some accurate comments.

Hmm..what I mean is the kind of paint that's hard to deal with because everything (I mean detailing material like compound, polish, etc) just seem to dry shortly after they touched this kind of paint surface, no chance for playtime or breakdown. I heard that it's called sticky paint??cmiiw...

Is this a black Infinity by chance?

Nope...just asking out of curiosity...

[BobbyG]

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Hmm..what I mean is the kind of paint that's hard to deal with because everything (I mean detailing material like compound, polish, etc) just seem to dry shortly after they touched this kind of paint surface, no chance for playtime or breakdown. I heard that it's called sticky paint??cmiiw...

Let me throw a few things out and see if any make sense.

Rotary machine,

I've found that with paint correction products such as Meguiar's M105 priming the pad with the right amount and using the correct amount on lets say a 2 X 2 panel seems to work out pretty well. If things tend to become dry before I'm threw give the pad a couple of squirts of clean water with a spray bottle.

Meguiar's M205 goes on nicely with a rotary machine too.

DA machine,

I use this to apply sealants and waxes. On a clean pad I'll squirt 4 nickle sized globs of product. Setting the speed to 3, I place the pad directly on the surface and spread it around. Once an even thin cost is in place I speed it up between 4 and 5 and work the same 2 X 2 area until just a slight haze is left.

Paint Correction,

One of possibilities your having might be the size of the area you're trying to work. Many times I see people with the best intentions try to do the entire hood of a car with one application of product. Moe often than not the product dries and becomes very difficult to deal with.

Wax,

Using too much product will almost always get gummy or have a cake-like appearance leaving the user a sticky or tacky mess to clean up.

Using the correct pad for the product is important and starting with a clean pad is equally important.

[AquaBlue]

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Thx for the tips Bob.

Well, actually I read a couple of articles by Dave KG. In 2 of his projects he did Grand Vitara and Kia Sorento if I'm not mistaken and he said that these cars paint are sticky paint. Well, just wondering what a noob like me could do should I have a car with this kind of paint nature.
Because a noob is a noob , unlike Dave who has full gear and a lot of experience that he can easily deal with any different paint nature I guess.

[Murr1525]

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Well, there is the possibilty of something on your paint making it sticky, so could look at something like clay, or a Bug and Tar Remover to remove it.

I also notice you are in Arizona.. it is possible you are working on a hot surface, which will make any product hard to use. Are you in the shade, able to leave the car in the shade for a while before working on it?

Have you tried working on your paint at all yet, or just going by other posts?

[AquaBlue]

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Well, there is the possibilty of something on your paint making it sticky, so could look at something like clay, or a Bug and Tar Remover to remove it.

I also notice you are in Arizona.. it is possible you are working on a hot surface, which will make any product hard to use. Are you in the shade, able to leave the car in the shade for a while before working on it?

Have you tried working on your paint at all yet, or just going by other posts?

I've never met this kind of problem since I'm driving a toyota. I just read about this case from other detailing forum as I mentioned before.
Nope, I always detailed my car in the garage so the surface is not in a warm condition. Well, I guess no one in this forum ever read or know about sticky paint?

[geert dr]

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Some threads about Sticky paint :

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=142780&highlight=sticky+paint

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=138561&highlight=sticky+paint

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=136935&highlight=sticky+paint

[Murr1525]

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Yeah, not familiar with it around here.

Just clicked the first link there to see what they said, and it certainly looks like it was something on the paint.

[AquaBlue]

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Some threads about Sticky paint :

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=142780&highlight=sticky+paint

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=138561&highlight=sticky+paint

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...t=sticky+paint

woow...nice...really appreciate it geert dr. Thx again man.

[Daniel Kinder]

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Hmm..what I mean is the kind of paint that's hard to deal with because everything (I mean detailing material like compound, polish, etc) just seem to dry shortly after they touched this kind of paint surface, no chance for playtime or breakdown. I heard that it's called sticky paint??cmiiw...


Nope...just asking out of curiosity...

Hey AquaBlue

Back in 2005 I detailed a 92' black corvette. It only had 16,000 miles on it, the guy's father bought it for him for a graduation present and the car stays in the garage day in day out.

Anyways First thing I did was washed and dried then pulled into my garage for taping and getting ready for what I thought was going to be an enjoyable detail.

My plain was for #83 then followed by #80 and #7 and 2 coats of gold class. Boy did things take a turn for the worse. May I had that then I used a orbital!

Was applying the #83 with a foam bonnet and was starting at the front left side of the hood and didn't make it 2'' to 3'' before realizing that it was drying to the paint and looked like it scratched it badly. I grabbed some #34 and sprayed on there and wiped with a micro-fiber, didn't do anything! Applied alittle more #83 on a applicator pad and rubbed some to the area and little to no improvement. I couldn't fiqure it out, so I called meguiars and asked for help and forgot who I spoke with but the only way to remove the dried #83 was to move out into the sun and let sit out there for about 15 minutes or so to help bring the oils up to the top of the surface and then brought back in to spray with #34 again and wipe down with a micro-fiber and came out like nothing had happened.

So now the gentalman told me to try some #80 (same thing) same process (taking out in the sun). Tried #scratchX (same thing) same process again. DC 1 (same thing) same process. A12 cleaner/wax (same thing) same process. you get the idea, I musted have put 1 mile on the odometer pulling in and out of my garage! Let alone on the phone to the same guy at meguiars! the last thing he ask me to try was colorX.

OK I thought I would be pulling the car back out in the sun, but it worked fantastic! In short I had this guy's car for 2 days and was pulling my hair out! Everthing I had tried on the surface looked like I was applying in direct sunlight, and scratching the paint.

To this day I never run out and always have an extra bottle in my arsenal. Sorry for writing a story but just thought it might help you or anyone else out there that may run into a problem like this and save you alot of time and trouble.

[geert dr]

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woow...nice...really appreciate it geert dr. Thx again man.

No problem,glad i could help !

[AquaBlue]

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Hey AquaBlue

Back in 2005 I detailed a 92' black corvette. It only had 16,000 miles on it, the guy's father bought it for him for a graduation present and the car stays in the garage day in day out.

Anyways First thing I did was washed and dried then pulled into my garage for taping and getting ready for what I thought was going to be an enjoyable detail.

My plain was for #83 then followed by #80 and #7 and 2 coats of gold class. Boy did things take a turn for the worse. May I had that then I used a orbital!

Was applying the #83 with a foam bonnet and was starting at the front left side of the hood and didn't make it 2'' to 3'' before realizing that it was drying to the paint and looked like it scratched it badly. I grabbed some #34 and sprayed on there and wiped with a micro-fiber, didn't do anything! Applied alittle more #83 on a applicator pad and rubbed some to the area and little to no improvement. I couldn't fiqure it out, so I called meguiars and asked for help and forgot who I spoke with but the only way to remove the dried #83 was to move out into the sun and let sit out there for about 15 minutes or so to help bring the oils up to the top of the surface and then brought back in to spray with #34 again and wipe down with a micro-fiber and came out like nothing had happened.

So now the gentalman told me to try some #80 (same thing) same process (taking out in the sun). Tried #scratchX (same thing) same process again. DC 1 (same thing) same process. A12 cleaner/wax (same thing) same process. you get the idea, I musted have put 1 mile on the odometer pulling in and out of my garage! Let alone on the phone to the same guy at meguiars! the last thing he ask me to try was colorX.

OK I thought I would be pulling the car back out in the sun, but it worked fantastic! In short I had this guy's car for 2 days and was pulling my hair out! Everthing I had tried on the surface looked like I was applying in direct sunlight, and scratching the paint.

To this day I never run out and always have an extra bottle in my arsenal. Sorry for writing a story but just thought it might help you or anyone else out there that may run into a problem like this and save you alot of time and trouble.

Waow...what an experience you had there with sticky paint. One of my friend who drives a grand vitara (suzuki) have the the same experience. But fortunately, cleaner wax can still works on the surface. But my question was, and still after having read your experience, what if you need to wipe away severe swirl marks? I mean, you can't really rely on cleaner waxes or in your case color X alone to remove severe/heavy swirl marks, right? Even DC 1 can't do that alone, but using just DC 1 already is tricky on this kind of paint
I was also unable to give my friend any suggestion, but at that time, he didn't have to pull his car out to the sun to wipe of the dried product, he just use either cleaner wax or quick detailer to wipe the product. Both works ok on the dried product, so I guess your case is heavier than my friend's.
Nice of you for sharing...thx Mr. Stang