A peek into the future?

[Erik Mejia]

Re: A peek into the future?

I'm a bit disappointed M101 and the Nano-Coating won't be available in the US; doesn't make sense to me.

At least this confirms that the new MF system will be available in a spot-pad size as well though.

I'm disappointed as well. My only guess is that these two new products didn't meet environmental regulations. I wonder if we can have them shipped here?

[DetailFreak517]

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I'm disappointed as well. My only guess is that these two new products didn't meet environmental regulations. I wonder if we can have them shipped here?

I figured the same; had to be something with VOC regulations that made them unsellable here. In M101's case I don't see why they couldn't have made it compliant... but I can see where the coating may not have been able to be altered to please the tree-huggers.

[Ron-M]

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I am wondering about the DA Microfiber correction compound. Hope it isn't as dusty as 105.

I am thinking the pads will be similar to surbufs but better since the were designed for paint instead of wood work.

I am watching this like a hawk.

Oh, hi everyone since I'm new here although I have been looking for quite a while.

[Michael Stoops]

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OK, we were wondering how long it would be before these products were mentioned.

Here's the scoop:

Deep Crystal Coating - this is a unique polymer coating designed for long term resistance to heavy acid rain and other environmental concerns. It is not a high gloss coating and is not intended so much as a "beauty" treatment as it is a protective treatment. This was developed in part as a response to certain similar products available in that part of the world, and to address some cultural differences between emerging Asian automotive markets versus more mature automotive markets in the West. Many of these coating manufacturers make claims for several years of protection with their products - we've had discussions here on MOL about similar domestic products in the past. In the Far East Meguiar's is generally viewed as a very high end product line. Detail centers in that part of the world often look like high end boutiques, and a customer will bring their car in, select the products they want used, purchase them and then turn them over to a technician for application. The remaining product is subsequently returned to the car owner who then places it in a private locker adjacent to the lounge area. This is very similar to practices found domestically at high end cigar bars where private humidors are provided, or at some restaurants (like Morton's) were regular customers can store bottles of wine in private storage lockers so that their favorite vintage is always available. You select which of your wines you want with that night's meal, but the sommelier is the one who uncorks, decants and pours - not the wine owner.

So, Deep Crystal Coating is designed for that sort of environment - culturally and weather related. But it isn't truly a stand alone product. The complete process involves a thorough machine polishing of the paint to remove all defects, and then this product is hand applied. It is packaged in a very special container (presentation is a major part of this) and the liquid itself is contained in a 2 ounce aluminum vial. As you can imagine, the cost to have this applied (these customers simply won't do this sort of work themselves - it's a cultural thing) is pretty high as it involves a complete machine buffing of the car. It should also be noted that paint on cars in many emerging Asian markets is not quite up to par with much of the West at this time.

Since it is not a beauty treatment (ie, not a major gloss enhancer), and since the West rarely has acid rain approaching the severity of that found in many parts of Asia, this is not going to be a domestically available product. At least not for the foreseeable future. Cost alone would make it prohibitive, especially when you don't get that big visual bump from applying it.

As for M101 Foam Cut Compound, that's another product designed to address some cultural differences. In many parts of Europe the detail section of a car dealership is held in very high regard. How many times here on MOL, or other US based detailing forums, have people warned very sternly about having a car dealer detail your car? Well, go to Germany and in many cases the detail area of the dealership is the nicest part of the whole organization! But they almost never use wool pads, it's always foam. And the foam pads tend to be very thick. Backing plates are very different too. So, we developed a specialized liquid to work with the type of pad and the type of paint that is so common to that part of the world.

[Erik Mejia]

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Thanks for that in depth response Mike.

[Michael Stoops]

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Does that buffer look different?

Nope, that's a current G110v2 buffer.

[joaks]

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Thanks for the response, Michael!

If I wanted to try the deep crystal coating, is there a way to get it? I live in the US but could ask someone in Asia if needed.

[DetailFreak517]

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Thank you for the detailed explanation, Mr. Stoops!

I think there could still be a market for M101 here in the states; lots of people here deal with Euro cars, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that prefers sticking to cutting foam pads instead of using wool due to how much better they finish out.

Just throwing that out there....

[Michael Stoops]

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Thanks for the response, Michael!

If I wanted to try the deep crystal coating, is there a way to get it? I live in the US but could ask someone in Asia if needed.

It is not going to be sold domestically, sorry.

Thank you for the detailed explanation, Mr. Stoops!

I think there could still be a market for M101 here in the states; lots of people here deal with Euro cars, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that prefers sticking to cutting foam pads instead of using wool due to how much better they finish out.

Just throwing that out there....

In the overall scheme of things, at least in the US, you are in the minority.

[SuperBee364]

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Guys, we already have great polishes available in the form of M105/M205, and the plethora of other great polishes, from Meguiar's and other makers, too.

So let's concentrate on the stuff we'll be getting *here*, in the U.S of A.

105/205 re-wrote the book on the amount of correction (and even finishing polishing, really) that a PC could do, while also re-writing the book on the finish an aggressive compound could leave. Now what if they still have their book writing pen handy... Imagine using 105/205 with *pads* that took the 105/205 combo to the next level? Those pads look like the authors at Meguiar's are still kicking out the chapters... Can't wait to read 'em.

Looks like the Meg's gents/ladies have been listening, too; love the three sizes to choose from. Man, do I wish I had a key to that show case...

[EPHIOS]

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I talked to one of the representative of my local detail shop about this system. He said, they had a demo of this system, and many of the detailers can't believe on how good the results are with microfiber technologies.

[MGDanny]

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Hi Michael !!

Is the Deep Crystal Coating going to be available in Europe ??

[maarten22]

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As for M101 Foam Cut Compound, that's another product designed to address some cultural differences. In many parts of Europe the detail section of a car dealership is held in very high regard. How many times here on MOL, or other US based detailing forums, have people warned very sternly about having a car dealer detail your car? Well, go to Germany and in many cases the detail area of the dealership is the nicest part of the whole organization! But they almost never use wool pads, it's always foam. And the foam pads tend to be very thick. Backing plates are very different too. So, we developed a specialized liquid to work with the type of pad and the type of paint that is so common to that part of the world.

I can hardly believe this. Visited some dealerships in Germany because I imported some cars to Holland and the quality of the polishing and washing is just as poor as it is in the States. And these were big dealerships not small shops. Have enough pictures of new cars full of buffertrails that came from big dealerships in Holland also.

[Hans]

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hi michael !!

Is the deep crystal coating going to be available in europe ??

+2

[Michael Stoops]

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Hi Michael !!

Is the Deep Crystal Coating going to be available in Europe ??

No, it's going to be an Asia market only product, at least for the time being.