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    Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

    Hi, my name is Jay. I bought a black 2002 Trans Am for my son that had sat out in the New Mexico sun for years and the areas of the car facing the sky had a cloudy haze that obscured the black paint. It looked like ****.

    I used an orbital polisher and Meguiars Ultimate Compound and good gosh...it did the trick...the hood, top, fenders and lid looked great. We then applied Meguiars Gold Class Carnauba Plus and the result was stunning compared to the massive haze look the car had. Four hours of hard work, paid off in spades. Shiny black ones.

    But alas...about a month later the haze started reappearing and now it has returned. I live in Texas and we had a blistering hot summer and my son drives the car daily to school and work, so it was out in the sun a good portion of the time.

    Hopefully you guys can give us a solution, short of a new paint job, of removing the haze and keeping it gone.

    thanks and peace,
    jay
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    Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

    Any chance of a pic?
    2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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    • #3
      Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

      Hi Murr...

      My son is working and it will be tomorrow before I can post one.

      Thanks
      jay

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        Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

        Seems I read somewhere that Carnaubas don't do well with regards to durability on black paint that sits in the sun 24/7. The intense heat generated by black simply just causes the wax to "vaporize" off the paint. You might want to give a synthetic sealant a try.
        Black......the ONLY color!

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        • #5
          Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

          I'm more worried about CC Failure really. A pic will be great, but you can also check out the Clear Coat Failure archives on here for some reference pics.
          2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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          • #6
            Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

            Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
            I'm more worried about CC Failure really. A pic will be great, but you can also check out the Clear Coat Failure archives on here for some reference pics.
            Unfortunately, we were thinking the exact same thing. What Jay described is pretty classic for clear coat failure, both the faded or hazy appearance and the short term improvement. Jay, the potential issue here - and we say "potential" because without pictures it's all just speculation - is a breaking apart of the clear coat due to prolonged heavy UV exposure. Older single stage lacquer paints would oxidize in such a way that the upper layers of paint would turn chalky looking but the paint could be buffed back to a high gloss by literally removing that upper, oxidized portion of the paint. With a modern clear coat this type of oxidization doesn't really happen. What does happen, unfortunately, is that the clear coat with either start to break up and look chalky, or it will actually delaminate from the color coat below it. It sounds as though you've got the former issue, and when that happens you can make amazing improvements in the appearance of the paint, but that improvement is usually very short lived, as you've seen first hand. And unfortunately, the only way to really fix this is to repaint the car, or at least the effected panels - usually the horizontal panels subject to the most direct exposure.
            Michael Stoops
            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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            • #7
              Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

              My son sent me a section between the T's and the hatch. It was pure black when we waxed it. Although it isn't as bad, it is progressively getting back to that point. I can probably get a pic that looks cloudier inside the garage...but that will have to be tomorrow.

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                Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                Michael...
                Thanks for your detailed explanation. That is what I feared. Tuition is his paint job right now, so I guess we can continue to address it in a temporary fashion until the funds are available for a paint job.
                Thanks to everyone else for their time in response. This has been very helpful...in a disappointing way...lol.
                oh...is the wax we are using the best for our temp solution or might there be a better one?

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                • #9
                  Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                  Well, you would probably want the Ult. Polish, followed by the wax. As mentioned, synthetic may be better, but not bad what you used.

                  Be carefull with the machine as well on the bad spots. Want to be gentle with them.
                  2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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                  • #10
                    Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                    One last question...Ultimate Wax or NXT?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                      I know this isn't a Meg's product, but I've read some accounts where people have had good results using Optimum's OptiCoat paint coating on cars suffering from clear coat failure.
                      Francis

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                        Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                        Umi000 is right. I remember on another forum someone used Opti-Coat on a section of their car that had clear coat failure. They posted updates and a year later it was still holding up. A sealant like Ultimate wax would be your best alternative aside from using something like Opti-coat or a repaint. Ultimate wax is supposed to be more durable than NXT.

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                          Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                          Well...we worked on the hood this morning and the roof panel, using ultimate compound, followed by 2 coats of Ultimate Wax. Now, you can tell a difference...just like last time, but if you stand off and catch the paint at certain angles...you can see the haze lurking. Pretty disappointing. This is a kick A TA, with about 435 horse and grey to black ghost flames on the hood and running down the door. It is a shame that the 2nd owner let it sit out in the sun 24/7 for years. I looked up Opti-coat and it looks like another option that might get us further down the road. I would be a little nervous about jacking up the application.

                          Oh well, its good time spent with my boy...

                          I appreciate everyones input. You guys have been very helpful sharing your insight to my problem.

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                            Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                            Originally posted by jkantor1312 View Post
                            One last question...Ultimate Wax or NXT?
                            can't go wrong with both...
                            longest protection will be UW based on meguiar..
                            but from look, it's will be depend on the people...
                            some said that NXT do a great jot to bring out metalic color while UW have ability to darken the paint..
                            but again, back to people's eye
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                            • #15
                              Re: Removing the haze from sun baked black paint...and keeping it gone.

                              Just an update...I put the buffer down and went over the hood again with the compound by hand, finishing it off with two coats of wax...it actually looks great.
                              I guess my boy just needs to drive it at night.
                              Will hit the fenders and doors this week.
                              Thanks again to everyone.

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