hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

[gamtnroadie]

I am a 100% ultimate product user. I am looking to mix it up a little and want to add yellow wax over the ultimate wax. I know that you can go in this order but how long would i have to wait to apply the next coat of ultimate wax? I know that you can apply synthetic over natural. I usually wax every 3 months. Would 3 months be enough time for the yellow wax to wear off or would i have to clay to remove everythgin before applying synthetic again?

[Detailing by M]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

ISA will remove wax. and layering is a myth your not adding but microns of product and in some cases actully removing more wax then your adding.

[gamtnroadie]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

What is ISA? So in your opinion it would hurt more than help with look and protection to add yellow wax. Anyone else want to chime in?

[Detailing by M]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

Isopropyl Alcohol. I will wipe down a car to remove the wax so I can see the paint defects with no enhancements.
I don't like to waste money or time. And that's what layering to me is.
Try to pick a product that works well for you, the first time.

[Selectchoice]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

Isopropyl Alcohol. I will wipe down a car to remove the wax so I can see the paint defects with no enhancements.
I don't like to waste money or time. And that's what layering to me is.
Try to pick a product that works well for you, the first time.

I may be wrong but I think the OP was adding Yellow Wax over Ultimate Wax for a visual enhancement not a measureable increase of wax protection. Lots of people add a carnauba wax over a synthetic (such as Ultimate Wax) to achieve more of a warm glow to the finish. You won't harm anything by doing this.

If you like the look then you can wax this way the next time you need to apply.

[ffboy]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

I am a 100% ultimate product user. I am looking to mix it up a little and want to add yellow wax over the ultimate wax. I know that you can go in this order but how long would i have to wait to apply the next coat of ultimate wax? I know that you can apply synthetic over natural. I usually wax every 3 months. Would 3 months be enough time for the yellow wax to wear off or would i have to clay to remove everythgin before applying synthetic again?

You can apply Hi-tech yellow over Ultimate wax, but do a small area first or split a panel into 2 halves, compare the side with Ultimate wax only and the one with High-tech yellow wax. If the gains are minimal, it may not be worth the extra step. When the Yellow wax wears out in 3 months (or less), isopropyl alcohol can be used, but of course dillute it. If not, clay kit will remove the contaminants as well as wax.

[Rip]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

I used #26 Yellow Wax every 3 months as well but now have been pushed to use Gold Class Premium Carnuba Wax instead.
Except for the cost I do NOT see any difference between the two. I use ONE layer and the bead job is great. Living in Florida means every 3 months. The sun is brutal

[BillyJack]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

There's nothing wrong with your idea of a wax over a sealant- I do it all the time. You get the best of both worlds with the long-term protection of a synthetic base and the softer glow of a wax. Using either M26 or Gold Class, it's unlikely there would be enough of either M26 or GC remaining after 3 months to affect the bonding of an Ultimate product, but a quick pass with either clay or IPA (diluted down to about 15%-20% concentration) would assure you have a clean surface. Allow the Ultimate to set up at least overnight to assure complete curing, then have at it with your wax of choice. I can assure you that you'll love the look.

Bill

[ffpmme]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

Was thinking about doing this as well. Just put on the ULT wax last week. Looks great! I may do something like this in the summer when good looks is a little more prized then chicago winter protection!

[RPPM]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

BillyJack knows of what he writes. You will love the look. After 3 months, clay the car, and proceed with Ultimate Wax again!

[imz4n]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

Isopropyl Alcohol would be IPA? I have tried the wax over sealant and did not notice a difference in the look, ( I do have a silver car, always looking for a way to get silver to pop ). IMHO I think that if you are doing the 5 step process, you might get that look, by doing the polish twice with even a lighter pad than the black finishing pad, doing this with less pressure as well and then a double coat of sealant (12 hrs apart ). Try different things and use what makes you love it.

[ffpmme]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

I will try the #26 and a ult polish or 205 in the spring along with a coat of ult wax. I was thinking about it, but another member had a good point that I may be loseing some of the water-repellent of the ult wax. I am done for the winter major protection. Now starting to think what to do for the spring.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: hi tech yellow wax over ultimate wax questions

There are a couple points of view going on in this thread: an enthusiast's perspective and a professional detailer's perspective.

From the point of view of a guy who makes a living detailing, this makes perfect sense:

Isopropyl Alcohol. I will wipe down a car to remove the wax so I can see the paint defects with no enhancements.
I don't like to waste money or time. And that's what layering to me is.
Try to pick a product that works well for you, the first time.

It would be a waste of his time to use multiple waxes on a given vehicle, and odds are he couldn't charge a premium for doing so anyway. Time is money here, so he needs something that works very well, works very quickly, and provides an excellent result.

For an enthusiast, however, there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to wax, so this also makes perfect sense:

There's nothing wrong with your idea of a wax over a sealant- I do it all the time. You get the best of both worlds with the long-term protection of a synthetic base and the softer glow of a wax. Using either M26 or Gold Class, it's unlikely there would be enough of either M26 or GC remaining after 3 months to affect the bonding of an Ultimate product, but a quick pass with either clay or IPA (diluted down to about 15%-20% concentration) would assure you have a clean surface. Allow the Ultimate to set up at least overnight to assure complete curing, then have at it with your wax of choice. I can assure you that you'll love the look.

Bill

As enthusiasts we're always chasing the Holy Grail of final appearance. The problem is, we all have a different idea of what that Holy Grail is so the same wax, or combo of sealant and wax, isn't right for all of us. We like what we like, for whatever reason, and nobody can tell you you're wrong. Personal preference is just that.


So, if you're inclined to use a carnauba over a synthetic then it's best to wait at least overnight between applying the synth and putting down the carnauba over it. Otherwise, if you just want to change from one to the other and it's been several months since you last applied either, there should be no problem at all just applying whatever wax/sealant you want after a thorough wash.