single stage paint

[fzr confused]

there is a guy at the gym i go to that always talks to me and my buddy about cars and stuff, he loves my friends charger so much he went out and bought one lol. he was talking to us tonight and some how it came up about detailing and my buddy said that i was the one that removed all the swirls from his charger, so the guy asked me if i could do his, of course i said yes ....but, he wants me to do his old toyota tacoma that he has first. he said it "was before they used clear coats" so i said o a single stage and he had no clue lol. he said when he rubs his hand on it, the color of the truck comes off on his hand. he also said that he normally just washes and waxes the truck and it looks good for a bit but then goes dull again. i have NOT seen this truck yet, so i have no pics or clue of how bad it looks, but would i use the same products that i would use for a clear coat? i have m105, UC, scratch X (both 1.0 and 2.0), m83 (or whatever number the speed glaze is),swirlX, m205, cleaner wax, NXT 2.0, gold class and then i also have an assortment of pads as well. he said he didnt want a LOT of work done, but he would like it to look good again.

so, what would be a good attack plan for a 1 step plus wax? im not familiar with single stage paint, and this will be my first detail of one. should i get another product? also this will be done via PC

[CieraSL]

Re: single stage paint

Since it's single stage, I'd probably do something like this:

1. Wash
2. M105 or UC to remove the dead paint
3. Re-wash to remove polishing dust
4. Clay (you don't want all that dead paint on the clay, and it won't pick up bonded contaminants if it's loaded with dead paint, so save that step until after the initial polish)
5. M205 or Swirl X as a finishing polish
6. NXT 2.0 (preferably 2 coats if you can squeeze 2 in there)

I could be wrong, but that's my guess. I'm thinking I read in one of Mike Phillips' threads that when you're working on single stage paint that has a lot of dead paint on it, it's OK to switch steps 2 & 3 in the 5-step cycle. Hopefully others will chime in.

[Murr1525]

Re: single stage paint

Sounds like a situation where you may want a lot of polishing oils, which I think is a situation #80 Speed Glaze is still great for. Maybe even #80 then #7....

Definately need to get a look of course first, see just how bad we are talking. If it is real bad, then cleanng before claying can be a good idea, but that could still be with something mild like SwirlX, # 205.

Of course, if he says it keeps getting worse, it may be failing, but hopefully not.

[sleepy]

Re: single stage paint

With a single stage paint you could even try M82. It has a little more cutting power than M80 and has the polishes that M80 has. M07 would also be a nice touch to help with making it shine.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: single stage paint

With a single stage paint you could even try M82. It has a little more cutting power than M80 and has the polishes that M80 has. M07 would also be a nice touch to help with making it shine.

Actually, M80 has a cut rating of 4, and M82 has a cut rating of 3. M80 has the traditional brown looks and polishing oils, and M82 is more white.

As for the original post/question, you can treat single stage paint essentially the same as a clear coated finish, but a lot of people prefer oil-rich polishes or carnuaba waxes for their final steps as it can really affect the color.

Finishing up with either M80, M07, and then M26 for example would really help the color be at its best.

[fzr confused]

Re: single stage paint

nice, i have m80 and m26 already, ill get a bottle of m7 to go along with it

thanks for the tips

[3Fitty]

Re: single stage paint

fzr,

I've recently run into some issues with a 2001 SS White Honda (my mother's car). It seems prone to staining but there is NO DOUBT your best mode of attack is M80. I created a thread about it here http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ghlight=3fitty

Murr got it right when he suggested M80 followed by M07.

I'd seal it with NXT 2.0 (personally). Just make sure you give the sealant sufficient time to dry. I'd also put on a second coat of NXT (if you can) the next day.

[sleepy]

Re: single stage paint

[QUOTE=Mark Kleis;334142]Actually, M80 has a cut rating of 4, and M82 has a cut rating of 3. M80 has the traditional brown looks and polishing oils, and M82 is more white.

Sorry fzr, I had my cutting actions wrong. I do apologize.

I will say that I did my '64 Bel Air, single stage, with UC and then #7 with Gold Class wax, It turned out fantastic! Best of luck and please post pics. I keep seeing people using NXT.2, I'm going to have to give it a try.

[fzr confused]

Re: single stage paint

NXT 2.0 is the best all around wax i have ever used not that i have ever used the expensive stuff, but it is by far the best i have used.

[02zx9r]

Re: single stage paint

I was going to recommend M80 as well, followed by your wax of choice.

Try out the M07 on a panel and see if it really makes a difference, if not it is not worth taking the time to do the whole vehicle if it is a minimal difference. just my .02 cents

[Larry A]

Re: single stage paint

I did a metalic blue single stage on a old Chevy pickup that was faded bad . I washed with ONR, UC, wash again, Color X, NXT 2 . It came out great. I did it for favors owed. The guy was so happy he gave me a $100.00 tip.

[Justin A]

Re: single stage paint

I just got a car with Single Stage black paint that has been parked outside its entire life (22 years now)...two passes M09 BY HAND pulled 95% of the swirls and oxidation out, the third pass cleaned it up completely.
It really depends on what color the paint is with SS's...SS white can be hard as titanium dioxide, SS Black can be as soft as charcoal (whoda thought )...
M80 is always a good bet, same goes for M83. Finish it off with Gold Class wax for great depth, or NXT 2.0 for durability. Or both - NXT 2.0 first with GC on top.