PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

[dschribs]

I've used a few polishes before with my PC and sort of got the hang of when to stop polishing by how the polish looks after a certain amount of time. The polish will more or less dry to haze and become more or less translucent.
With the new 105 and 205 products, will they "behave" the same way? In other words, if the abrasives never really do break down, how do you know when to stop working the polish?

Also, any links to videos of how to use 105 & 205 would be helpful.

Thanks!

[Megafast13]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Yes, M105 and M205 are the same way. In fact, the diminishing abrasives will work faster than older products.

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[Tuck91]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Yes, M105 and M205 are the same way. In fact, the diminishing abrasives will work faster than older products.

M105 and M205 do not have any diminishing abrasives at all.

[Megafast13]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

M105 and M205 do not have any diminishing abrasives at all.

M205 Ultra Finishing Polish

• Advanced technology produces a deep gloss and rich, swirl-free results
• Uses Meguiar's Super Micro Abrasive Technology
• For use after M105 Ultra-Cut Compound and all other Meguiar's Compounds
• Permanently removes swirls and light defects from all paints
• Produces rich, deep reflections
• Smooth buffing feel with easy wipe off and fast clean up
• Non-gumming formula, performs well with any Soft Buff 2.0 Foam Pads
• PAINTABLE: Safe for use in the paint shop environment
• Safe, Crystalline Silica Free Formula
• Environmentally responsible, VOC compliant formula
• For use with Rotary Buffer, DA Polisher, Orbital Buffer and by Hand

Features:

• Ultra-fast cutting removes 1200 grit or finer sanding marks
• Super-micro abrasives leave best in class finish
• Great for removing scratches, defects, acid rain and severe swirls/holograms
• PAINTABLE: Safe for use in the paint shop environment
• Safe, Crystalline Silica Free Formula
• Environmentally responsible, VOC compliant formula
• For use with a rotary buffer, hand and now with a DA Polisher!

That's what I was refering to, not necessary "diminishing" I guess but the abrasives break down faster so you have to work less in less time.

[dschribs]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

So "less time" is how long compares to a traditional polish such as M80?

25% less time/50% less time?? When do you stop?

[Tuck91]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

M205 Ultra Finishing Polish

• Advanced technology produces a deep gloss and rich, swirl-free results
• Uses Meguiar's Super Micro Abrasive Technology
• For use after M105 Ultra-Cut Compound and all other Meguiar's Compounds
• Permanently removes swirls and light defects from all paints
• Produces rich, deep reflections
• Smooth buffing feel with easy wipe off and fast clean up
• Non-gumming formula, performs well with any Soft Buff 2.0 Foam Pads
• PAINTABLE: Safe for use in the paint shop environment
• Safe, Crystalline Silica Free Formula
• Environmentally responsible, VOC compliant formula
• For use with Rotary Buffer, DA Polisher, Orbital Buffer and by Hand

Features:

• Ultra-fast cutting removes 1200 grit or finer sanding marks
• Super-micro abrasives leave best in class finish
• Great for removing scratches, defects, acid rain and severe swirls/holograms
• PAINTABLE: Safe for use in the paint shop environment
• Safe, Crystalline Silica Free Formula
• Environmentally responsible, VOC compliant formula
• For use with a rotary buffer, hand and now with a DA Polisher!

That's what I was refering to, not necessary "diminishing" I guess but the abrasives break down faster so you have to work less in less time.

I am pretty sure Meguiars SMAT products do not have to break down at all and thus you can stop working the product in anytime during the cycle.

[dschribs]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Megafast


Is there a "how to use the PC" guide, such as the one above, for 105 & 205?

[dschribs]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

I am pretty sure Meguiars SMAT products do not have to break down at all and thus you can stop working the product in anytime during the cycle.

30 seconds?
1 minute?
5 minutes?

[Tuck91]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Well,

What's the difference between Meguiar's Super Micro Abrasive technology and Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive technology

[Caress Detailing]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

30 seconds?
1 minute?
5 minutes?

There's no specific working time.

Also you have to consider that different paint has different levels of hardness.

So you might work one car 30 seconds per panel and you might need to work 1 minute or more on another.

Also M105 was designed to be worked in 15 seconds as it flashes very quickly.

M205 on the other hand, you could work it until it starts looking clear. Not because it's breaking down (which it doesn't) it's because it's starting to dry up.

I find that working with m205, you stop when you achieve the desired results. So it's imperative that you do a test spot first to dial that in.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

The SMAT abrasives in M105 & M205 do not break down in the sense that the diminishing abrasives in M80, M83, M85, etc do - that is, through the course of a typical buffing cycle, they do not become finer and finer. Visually, however, you will still see a thinning of the film on the surface as you buff, but this is due more to the product naturally drying out as you work it. ANY product continually worked against the surface will start to dry out, of course, and you don't want to work to a dry buff regardless if you're using SMAT or DAT products.

As for just how long you can buff with either M105 or M205 is, as always, dependent on a lot of factors - machine speed, pressure, amount of product used, ambient temp & humidity (always a major factor), etc. M205 has an especially long buffing cycle, however, and as such can be gently worked with moderate pressure and speed on a G110 for many, many minutes if need be. When we did this on the Victory Red 2010 Camaro during our last Thursday Night Open Garage, the owner of the car gently buffed a given area for several minutes without the product going dry or causing any issues in the paint. In fact, it looked gorgeous when he was finished.

[dschribs]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Thanks Michael. very helpful.

One follow up, is it accurate to say that as a general rule, one would usually work M105 for a shorter amount of time than M205?

[Caress Detailing]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Thanks Michael. very helpful.

One follow up, is it accurate to say that as a general rule, one would usually work M105 for a shorter amount of time than M205?

see my post

[Michael Stoops]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

see my post

Other than this bit...

Also M105 was designed to be worked in 15 seconds as it flashes very quickly.

.... we agree. Not sure where you heard that 15 second rule, but especially with the slight reformulation to make M105 D/A compatible the buffing cycle is much longer than 15 seconds. Even back when we worked on the Alpine Electronics CES boat we buffed longer than that with a rotary and W5000 Double Sided Wool Pad.

[Caress Detailing]

Re: PC use for 105 & 205 - How long to polish??

Other than this bit...
.... we agree. Not sure where you heard that 15 second rule, but especially with the slight reformulation to make M105 D/A compatible the buffing cycle is much longer than 15 seconds. Even back when we worked on the Alpine Electronics CES boat we buffed longer than that with a rotary and W5000 Double Sided Wool Pad.

Oh the "15 second" thing is just about how long it takes me to work it. I find that it flashes right around that amount of time. Of course considering it's very hot here in Tracy which is what could lead to a fast flashing time for me.

And honestly, i like it that way. M105 works so dang good, 15 seconds is all I need.

Edit: Also to add I use it via Rotary, sometimes with a maroon wool or Burgundy foam.