#3 Machine Glaze query

[Jeff Smith]

#3 machine Glaze

I am thinking about applying #3 to my truck tomorrow. Mostly just for the experience as I seem to have a "decent" grasp of applying #7. I have worked with that about 6 times on my vehicle thus far and have also applied it on several others. So, it's time to play with something else for a bit.

I don't have any #81 but will get that this winter and will likely play with that in the Spring and wait until Summer to hit up #5 when it's humid.

Anyway, I was thinking about applying #3 with the DA w/9006 pad @ about setting 4. Before I got started I wanted to put out a post and see if anybody might be able to offer some product specific input for applying the #3. Any tips, comments or lessons learned would be most helpful.

I am going to do some searching tonight and look for the same info but figured a post might bring back some comments that had not previously been posted.

Thanks a heap. Have a good one. And good luck with the guessing game.

[Accumulator]

It's been a while since I used it, but #3 was pretty user friendly. Just use it like the #7, removing while it's still a little wet. I think you'll find it works just like the #7 with a little less effort when it comes to removal and with a little longer work time.

And yeah, I use speed 4 for all products like this, though I'll sometimes slow it down for #7.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by Accumulator
It's been a while since I used it, but #3 was pretty user friendly. Just use it like the #7, removing while it's still a little wet. I think you'll find it works just like the #7 with a little less effort when it comes to removal and with a little longer work time.

And yeah, I use speed 4 for all products like this, though I'll sometimes slow it down for #7.

So, In your opinion. Can one expect the same end result with the #3 that can be acheived with the #7?

Or can any difference likely only be seen in side by side comparison by the trained eye? I think you know what I am getting at here. I love the look of the #7, and am hoping I don't lose that, "BUT", at the same time I want to play.

I tried the #3 about a month ago and you were able to kick me at some pointers to help me keep from over working the product. The problem was by the time I came back in, I had already jumped over to #5 and only put your suggestion to work on that. So this will ony be my second attempt at the #3, but fortunately have your input and lesson learned to draw from.

Well, I just woke up, coffee is ready, dog is fed. Guess what Jeff's gonna be doing within the next 10 minutes/

Thanks again ACCUMULATOR.

[Jeff Smith]

Got started and came in for more coffee. Figured I would put some thoughts down while thinking about it.

Application going much smoother than the effort a month ago went. I am putting the same sized circle around the outer edge of the pad but I am making it a much thinner circle as compared to many of the other products I use.

Aslo with #7 I tend to do the whole truck them come back and wipe it off. Trying something different this time and wiping each panel down right after appllication.

As far as appearance is going, I am not seeing a drastic change there. But, I really did not expect alot as my truck already has several coats of #7 under the existing LSPs anyway. I do see the oily film on the surface so I know it's there and has been applied correctly.

My paint is white so I work the product just enough until the brown/tan coloring is gone then wipe off. Doing it this way seems to be a good sign for me to stop working it in.

Removal is going alot easier than it seemed to with the #7. Using an Ultra Plush terry as always which is morking like a champ. After I complete this application and wipe off, I may skip wiping it down a second time as this intitial wipedown is doing a great job. If I were using the #3 as a topper then a 2nd wipe down would likely be necessary. I am now starting to look forward to firing up the Rotary and having a go at this stuff with that thing.

Anyway, back at it.

[Jeff Smith]

Ok another cup of coffee and some more commentary.

I notice the #3 dusts more than the #7. Not extremely bad but it is noticable. Still works like a champ though. With the dusting I am seeing I will likely have to a 2nd wipedown. Will likely use the Supreme Shine MF for that.

I am also starting to get a little glaze buildup around the outer edge of the pad. I am going to try putting my product a tad closer to the outer edge to moisten that area a bit better. If that doesn;t do it I'll back off on the mount of product.

Only have a door, fender, the hood and the roof left.

Glad I don't do this for a living. I am way too slow. I just like being outside on a nice day and enjoying taking care of my truck. I'll do a couple panels, stop for coffee, d o another panel and walk away and look at the results thus far.

[Jeff Smith]

Well, The #3 application is complete. After finishing I diod have a bit of dusting and after thinking about it decided just to bloe it off with the leaf blower. I am working close to several large trees and it's a breezy day. I did not wish to risk wiping it down as I could look at the surface and visually see the junk that blew out of the trees. The leaf blower did a great job, plus it likely blew some dust out of some spots I would not have been able to get to adequately with the Supreme Shine MF.

OK. get me another cup and get to work on laying down some GC.

wee. I am all excited and tingly and such. J/K

[Accumulator]

I think you might be using a little too much product, but then I always think people are doing that

When you get the glaze caking on the edge of the pad, try wiping the pad clean with a cotton towel. I use a little #34 to help dissolve the caked glaze and make the wiping off go better.

Not surprised that the removal is going a little easier than #7, but I bet it's not quite as easy as with #5. Also not surprised that you aren't spotting any huge difference in appearance, but it sounds like you're having fun.

If I had the time and inclination (and no, I don't have either ) I'd do adjacent panels with all the different pure polishes and see if anybody could see the differences between them. IMO somebody would spot the #7 as being wetter and deeper, but only a rare car nut and even he/she wouldn't spot differences between the others unless it was one of those paints where subtle things just really show up.

[Jeff Smith]

Originally posted by Accumulator
I think you might be using a little too much product, but then I always think people are doing that

I backed off the amount of product, not much, just enough to say I reduced it. it helped a tad. IMHO what I came to suspect here was this. I would take a break after about 2 panels. Drink a cup of coffee, piddle around, pet the dog, etc. I did not need the breaks. Just was in no hurry and was enjoying myself. Anyway, let's say I took a 10 minute break between each 2 panels. I noticed when I return, the dusting was very noticable for a minute or 2 then subside. This made me suspect the residual product left in/on the pad had dried and was flying off when I started up again until the whole surface became moistened again. Just my suspicion. This may also have added to the slight glaze buildup I saw on the far outer rim of the pad. It was not serious at all but you could see a small amont of glaze buildup. This glaze buildup did not come of in chunks at all. Just dust.

When you get the glaze caking on the edge of the pad, try wiping the pad clean with a cotton towel. I use a little #34 to help dissolve the caked glaze and make the wiping off go better.

It was so minor I just kinda put the end of my index finger on the pad while running the DA. All would come off each time.

Not surprised that the removal is going a little easier than #7, but I bet it's not quite as easy as with #5. Also not surprised that you aren't spotting any huge difference in appearance, but it sounds like you're having fun.

Yep, had a ball. The only thing I seem to notice appearance wise is that I "seem" to have been able to remove a few self inflicted swirls. I had several very minor swirls that I caused myself just from QDing. They have been there a couple of weeks. The previous attempts with #7 did not really seem to impact these. Todays effort with #3 did seem to get rid of them. Not all but some. Either that or the changeover to GC had an impact here. Unfortunately I did not want to waste alot of daylight between finishing the #3 application and starting the GC application, or I would have done a thorough inspection right after the #3. It was dusk when I finished as it was.

If I had the time and inclination (and no, I don't have either ) I'd do adjacent panels with all the different pure polishes and see if anybody could see the differences between them. IMO somebody would spot the #7 as being wetter and deeper, but only a rare car nut and even he/she wouldn't spot differences between the others unless it was one of those paints where subtle things just really show up.

I think that might be one of those experiments that even though it would be cool, most could not tell the difference. You might be able to tell but if I or the next guy looked at it, I doubt we could tell.