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lgs72
Dec 28th, 2005, 02:44 AM
Recently tried the M20 and was very please with the result. The paint is shiny and surface very smooth. Still need to verify the durability of M20, but I am very please with the result as compare to NXT paste wax. Think will be using M20 in future rather than NXT Paste Wax.

However, just like to ask what is the different between M20 & M21? Is M21 a much improved and better product then M20? Cos in Singapore M21 is not on sales here, you will never find M21 here. Therefore I tested M20 as I not very please with the finishing of NXT paste wax.

M20 really give me the smooth feeling and furthermore I personally feel it is easier to apply and bluff M20 compare to NXT paste wax.

Think will stick to M20 in future, unless I ca get hold of M21 and test it out.

I really interested in M21, anyway I can get this?

Thanks for advice.

Mike Phillips
Dec 28th, 2005, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by lgs72
Recently tried the M20 and was very please with the result.


Check out my post on the below link,

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3701&perpage=10&pagenumber=5


As far as getting M21 in Singapore, the first best thing to do is to make your request to your distributor for our Professional Line. If your distributor continually receives requests for this product then they will bring it in.

lgs72
Dec 28th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Hi Mike,

Thanks a lot.

Hope they will have smaller bottle to offer.

I will write a email to the local distributor.

Thanks so much.

By the way, if M20 has more cleaning agent. Can I use it often, let say every month? Or should I be using NXT Paste wax?

Hope I don't bored you.

Thanks again, Mike

Mike Phillips
Dec 28th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by lgs72
By the way, if M20 has more cleaning agent. Can I use it often, let say every month? Or should I be using NXT Paste wax?

Hope I don't bored you.

Thanks again, Mike

You can use products like M20 with a light cleaner everyday if you want to, the amount and strength of the cleaning action is light compared to a regular cleaner/wax like #6 Cleaner/Wax, ColorX or M66.

I've used plenty of #20 in my life, it's an awesome forumula. It's been updated over the yeares whenever technology allowed and it just gets better and better.

I could do some digging and find out how long it's been around but off the top of my head I would say at least 20 years. To have a car wax around in our Professional Line for 20+ years speaks loud and clear about the satisfaction level of our end-users for this product.

lgs72
Dec 28th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Hi Mike,

Thanks again.

I had applied a layer of M20 on my car last long X'mas weekend and very happy with it.

That the case, I will add an additional layer this New Year long weekend again.

Thanks

Cheers & Happy New Year to you.

RamAirV1
Dec 28th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Mike Phillips
You can use products like M20 with a light cleaner everyday if you want to, the amount and strength of the cleaning action is light compared to a regular cleaner/wax like #6 Cleaner/Wax, ColorX or M66.

I've used plenty of #20 in my life, it's an awesome forumula. It's been updated over the yeares whenever technology allowed and it just gets better and better.

I could do some digging and find out how long it's been around but off the top of my head I would say at least 20 years. To have a car wax around in our Professional Line for 20+ years speaks loud and clear about the satisfaction level of our end-users for this product.

I remember using #20 back in the early 80s! So it's been around for awhile! It had great shine and durability back then.

RamAirV1

zey
Dec 28th, 2005, 08:32 PM
Hi lgs72, if I'm not wrong, you definitely can get M21 in Singapore. Of course not on the shelf, but it's available from the distributor in Singapore, should be Hypercoat Enterprise. It comes in 1.89L (64oz) and you might want to share it with your friends.

lgs72
Dec 28th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Hi,

Just emailed the distributer in Singapore.
Yeah, they have M21 and comes in 64oz..........think that a very big bottle for me, which will last me very very long.
Just afraid that the sealant will dry up even before I use half of it.

By the way, Mike, is there anyway I can store the M21 for a long time. Myabe keep it in the fridge or some other ways?
Hope u can advise me on this.

Thanks again

zey
Dec 28th, 2005, 10:45 PM
For tropical weather, it's good enough if you can keep in a cool and dry storeroom. Occasionally shake the bottle is the best you can do.

lgs72
Dec 28th, 2005, 11:05 PM
Just a update.

Seem like the M20 has better durability than NXT Paste Wax.
There is a heavy downpour just now when I am out driving on the road, getting worry that my effort has all gone in the drain.
However, after I reached office and parked my car, I immediately feel the paint surface, it is still as smooth as before. M20 hold on very well even in heavy downpour, I am really happy with the much better durability of M20 as compare to NXT Paste wax.

Overall, very satisfied with the M20.

Cheers........cheers.........cheers
for such a great sealant

HammerDown
Dec 29th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by lgs72
Just a update.

Seem like the M20 has better durability than NXT Paste Wax.
There is a heavy downpour just now when I am out driving on the road, getting worry that my effort has all gone in the drain.
However, after I reached office and parked my car, I immediately feel the paint surface, it is still as smooth as before. M20 hold on very well even in heavy downpour, I am really happy with the much better durability of M20 as compare to NXT Paste wax.

Overall, very satisfied with the M20.

Cheers........cheers.........cheers
for such a great sealant

As far as I can tell both M20 and M21 far out last my NXT Paste >(don't use it anymore).

Been doing a side by side comparison on the hood of my truck now for several weeks.
M21 on the drivers side and M20 on the passenger. After some washings, 2 snow storms and some rain...both pretty much neck and neck but with some tighter water beads the slight edge goes to 21. :xyxthumbs
Both products are very good in my book, I'll use the 20 when I want a touch of (cleaning) action. I also notice the M21 fills in slight swirls on my black car very nicely;)
I've also noticed when I applied/tried NXT spray over the M21 it killed the water beading and the slick feel in short time...now I know better:cool:

lgs72
Dec 29th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Hi HammerDown,

Thanks for your feedback.
I still thinking of using the Spray Wax(Booster Wax) as maintenance. With your advise, think will not even try if it really will affect the M20. I will rather apply another coat of M20. Anyway I still left over quite a bit of the NXT Paste and Spray Wax, think maybe will give away to my friends and just stick to M20.

Will very much like to try M21, once I got it from the Distributer locally.

Thanks alot, HammerDown. Maybe will get some quick detailer for maintenance of the M20.

HammerDown
Dec 30th, 2005, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by lgs72


Thanks alot, HammerDown. Maybe will get some quick detailer for maintenance of the M20.

I would REALLY like to see M21 in a quick detailer:xyxthumbs

megcrazy
Dec 30th, 2005, 10:16 PM
do you apply #20 by hand or machine? i'm planning to get hold of a bottle of #20, but i don't have any machine. I'm currently using NXT by hand but don't really impressed with its durability. If i'm to apply #20 by hand, would it give better result than NXT by hand. What do you think if i top #20 with NXT?

HammerDown
Dec 31st, 2005, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by megcrazy
If i'm to apply #20 by hand, would it give better result than NXT by hand. What do you think if i top #20 with NXT?

I apply by hand, and I wouldn't waste my time top coating 20 or 21 with....(anything) especially NXT!

Again for me, the NXT paste by itself only lasted a few short days. Then for the heck of it I tried NXT spray over both 20 and 21...even the NXT spyay seemed to kill the lasting protection/lasting time of both.

I for one don't buy into the top coating of two different products as I'm quite sure they simply BLEND into ONE anyhow.

Stick with 20 or 21 and see for yourself :xyxthumbs

lgs72
Dec 31st, 2005, 03:23 PM
Hi Magcrazy,

Me too, I apply M20 by hand. From my experience, it is much easier with M20 them NXT paste wax. If you have apply NXT paste by hand before, you will not have problem with M20 by hand.

Frankly speaking, I will rather put 2 coats of M20 then using NXT paste with M20. Durability really good. I left my car in the rain yesterday and after rain, can still feel the paint surface still smooth. Thereby M20 really outlast NXT paste wax.

RCBuddha
Jan 1st, 2006, 10:07 AM
lgs,

In my experience, both #20 and #21 are easy to use and leave a very nice finish. I really couldn't tell a difference (visually) b/w the two, but I'd give #20 a slight edge in removal. Glad the #20 is working for ya, I know I love it too!

Buddha

megcrazy
Jan 1st, 2006, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by HammerDown
Again for me, the NXT paste by itself only lasted a few short days. Then for the heck of it I tried NXT spray over both 20 and 21...even the NXT spyay seemed to kill the lasting protection/lasting time of both.



What about Speed Detailer? I just bought a bottle not long ago and i'm really eager to get a bottle of 20. Do you think Speed Detailer will kill the lasting of 20 as well?

lgs72
Jan 1st, 2006, 08:27 PM
I am thinking of using Speed/Quick Detailer as maintenance as well. Cant be applying M20 so often as well. Anyone can provide feedback or share experience on this.

Thanks

HammerDown
Jan 2nd, 2006, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by megcrazy
What about Speed Detailer? I just bought a bottle not long ago and i'm really eager to get a bottle of 20. Do you think Speed Detailer will kill the lasting of 20 as well?

I can't comment on the NXT "spray detailer" but if it's anything like the NXT Spray Wax or even the NXT Paste I purchased, I'm not using anything NXT anymore.

You and others may have good results with the NXT line. but myself and others here didn't.

(for now)...M21 and M20 is all I'll use unless they offer a M21 "quick spray" :xyxthumbs

lgs72
Jan 2nd, 2006, 02:56 PM
Hi HammerDown,

Really thanks for your advice.
I dun really think I will be using any NXT also.
By the way, what about the Quick Detailer or even the quick wax(spray) from Meguair?

I really think the NXT product has different chemical properties as compare to M20 or M21. The NXT may affect the durability of the M20 or M21.

Thanks

zey
Jan 2nd, 2006, 04:51 PM
lgs72, I'm thinking of getting a bottle of Speed Detailer this week to maintain my car weekly. Currently I have 3 applications of M21 on my paint.

lgs72
Jan 3rd, 2006, 12:16 AM
Hi zey,

Maybe you can update me once you use it.
Cos really worry that the speed detailer may affect the M20

Thanks

zey
Jan 3rd, 2006, 12:26 AM
Actually I've tried Speed Detailer on M21 before. It instantly provides a sleek surface by just spraying and wiping it. I won't be worry of how much it'll affect the M21 as I apply M21 once every 2-3 weeks time.

Dragpakmach
Jan 3rd, 2006, 03:56 AM
Ive used both and M21 seems to last longer but does take more effort to remove completely.I use Last touch spray detailer on the M21 and it works really well to keep the slickness that everybody loves to touch.:D

lgs72
Jan 3rd, 2006, 08:22 PM
Hi Dragpakmach

Thanks for your advise, really appreciate it.
By the way, what is the "Last touch spray detailer"? Do you have any picture of this? I hope I can get this locally in Singapore.

Thanks

HammerDown
Jan 4th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by Dragpakmach
Ive used both and M21 seems to last longer but does take more effort to remove completely...
My thinking would be, either you applied it to thick or maybe on a hot surface.
For me when applied correctly (thin)...it comes off without any effort.:xyxthumbs

RamAirV1
Jan 4th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Speed Detailer has no adverse effect at all on #21 based on my experience. If anything, it adds slickness.

RamAirV1

sneek
Jan 4th, 2006, 03:50 PM
im so excited according to 2hotford M21 will be avalable in canada very soon!

Dragpakmach
Jan 5th, 2006, 10:23 AM
Actually #21 is very humidity sensitive.I put it on very thin to save money.;) The 20 just seems easier to use.in any weather.

lkylow
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:09 AM
Originally posted by zey
lgs72, I'm thinking of getting a bottle of Speed Detailer this week to maintain my car weekly. Currently I have 3 applications of M21 on my paint.
Hi Zey,

I'm from KL too. May I know where can get M21 in KL and what's the price?

zey
Mar 20th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Hi lkylow, you can obtain M21 at the following address...

Hypercoat Enterprise Sdn Bhd
12 Jalan USj1/1B
USJ 1 , Subang Jaya
Subang


Hope this helps.

Toalson
May 2nd, 2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Dragpakmach
Actually #21 is very humidity sensitive.I put it on very thin to save money.;) The 20 just seems easier to use.in any weather.

Humidity sensitive? Care to explain that.

I find the M20 gives quite a good finish. N it really clean well too. :)

Btw any1 to explain which has better cleaning properties; M20 or M21.

N if not mistaken the shine given by M21 is much better rite?:confused:

HammerDown
May 3rd, 2006, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Toalson
Humidity sensitive? Care to explain that.

I find the M20 gives quite a good finish. N it really clean well too. :)

Btw any1 to explain which has better cleaning properties; M20 or M21.

N if not mistaken the shine given by M21 is much better rite?:confused:
Actually M20 cleans a (bit) more then M21...I have both. Great products.:xyxthumbs

Sarge
Mar 6th, 2007, 07:57 PM
I have been using M20 since 1988 and it simply works awesome on everything from boats, semi trucks, golf carts and all types of paint. It is the longest lasting and most durable sealant I have ever come across. I hope Meguiars continues this for a long time. I think a lot of detailers did not use it for the price but it is well worth it.

RamAirV1
Mar 7th, 2007, 05:04 AM
Humidity sensitive? Care to explain that.

I find the M20 gives quite a good finish. N it really clean well too. :)

Btw any1 to explain which has better cleaning properties; M20 or M21.

N if not mistaken the shine given by M21 is much better rite?:confused:
In high humidity and/or cold weather, the M21 can take a lot longer to haze over. If you try to remove it to soon it may streak.

Yes is does give a great shine, lots of depth, and is very durable.

You should also try #20 topped with #21! It is a great combination!

RamAirV1

HammerDown
Mar 7th, 2007, 06:45 AM
...You should also try #20 topped with #21! It is a great combination!
RamAirV1

With all due respects, I don't understand or buy into the whole "topper" thing.
I would imagine two similar products will just blend into one coat anyhow.
No convincing me two won't simply blend into one. Especially since (most) have a very mild cleaner as I think #20 does.

I feel people are kidding themselves if their thinking their building multiple coats of anything for the purpose of protection.:o

*My thinking is... the only purpose a second coat of Wax etc provides is > to maybe cover a spot you missed the first time.

RamAirV1
Mar 7th, 2007, 08:05 AM
Others and myself have seen less dust buildup if NXT paste is used on top of #21. I don't believe in adding coat after coat after coat though. After 2 or maybe 3 coats the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

#21 has very little cleaning action, less than #20. I would not use #20 as a topper for that reason. OTOH many have used #20 over #7 or #81 and nobody has mentioned or complained about the #20 cleaners removing the #7or #81.

Of course you could always top #20 with #26 which has zero cleaners in it.

I don't miss any spots when applying an LSP so that would not be a reason for me to apply a second coat.:D

RamAirV1

HammerDown
Mar 7th, 2007, 08:24 AM
Others and myself have seen less dust buildup if NXT paste is used on top of #21.

RamAirV1
NXT with 21...why? You're just killing the 21 at least this is what happened on my Black car.
For me NXT didn't last 1/4 of the the time M21 does when it came to the Suns burning hot heat raising the temps on the painted Black surface.

M21 justs seems to lasts and lasts.:bigups

Dragpakmach
Mar 7th, 2007, 08:44 AM
I ll try to explain my old post.#21 takes longer to cure than 20.It has to be put on very thin to come off easy.20 has cleaners in it where 21 is purely a sealant.21 supercedes any other wax or sealant out there.Hope this helps.:bigups

RamAirV1
Mar 7th, 2007, 11:50 AM
NXT with 21...why? You're just killing the 21 at least this is what happened on my Black car.
For me NXT didn't last 1/4 of the the time M21 does when it came to the Suns burning hot heat raising the temps on the painted Black surface.

M21 justs seems to lasts and lasts.:bigups

I agree that #21 lasts longer than NXT, no question! But the NXT does not kill the #21 at all in my experience. I do allow at least a full 24 hours of cure time before I put anything else on top of the #21. If necessary I will wait until the next weekend to use any other LSP. The cleaners in NXT don't really do much of anything noticeable IMHO.

The paint does seem to attract less dust when the NXT Paste is used. Now if the NXT is applied to early after the #21, before it has a chance to cure, I can see where that could be a problem.

RamAirV1