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Mike Phillips
Jun 22nd, 2004, 11:36 AM
How to use ScratchX by hand to remove swirls, scratches and water spot etchings (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1516)


How to use ScratchX by hand to remove defects like these,

Scratches
Swirls
Bird Dropping Etchings
Water spots
Scuff and Mars

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2ScratchX.gif+http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2W0004.gif+http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2UltimateWipe.gif = Success!

A couple of important notes to consider,

1) Clear coats are harder than traditional paints. This means they are more difficult to remove defects out of, especially by hand. This is part explains the increase in popularity of the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher.

2) ScratchX is not a wipe-on, wipe-off product, (WOWO), it's more of a wipe-on, work-in product, (WOWI). You need to apply with a clean foam applicator pad and when you're applying it you need to put a little passion behind your pad.


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BirdDroppingEtching.JPG


Here is how to remove a bird dropping etching or an isolated scratch.

Only work a small area at a time - about 6 inch by 6 inch area or smaller
You can apply using a combination of circular motions and straight-line motions
Work the product against the finish until it looks as you have almost run out of product.
Re-apply the product and repeat the above steps 2-3 more timesWhen I apply ScratchX like I have listed above, I am able to get out about 95% of a bird dropping etching or isolated random scratches.

The trick is to work the product in until it just begins to disappear and to apply more than one application. You see, the ScratchX, like all Meguiar's Paint Cleaners, contain a diminishing abrasive, as you work ScratchX in, the microscopic diminishing abrasives gently abrade the surface removing small particles of paint. But as you work it in, these diminishing abrasives breakdown. Thus, they quit abrading the finish and actually polish the finish to a clear, high gloss. This diminishing action turned polishing action is a benefit to you because it enable you to work out defects without leaving scratches behind.

Because the diminishing abrasive breakdown, you need to re-apply and repeat the process until the defects are removed.

Note: You can rarely remove a bird dropping etching, or a scratch, from a clear-coated finish with one application.

"A little technique goes a long way"

ScratchX works, if you work it. It takes a little practice to get the hang of removing defects out of modern clear coats with hi-tech products like ScratchX. It' not like the old days with a traditional lacquer or enamel paint job where you could apply some old-fashioned rubbing compound and in a few passes, the scratch would be gone, (and so would a lot of your paint).

High gloss clear coats are thin delicate surface coatings that are easily dulled and easily scratched. Once they are dulled down and/or scratched, it takes the right product, the right technique together with the human element of care and passion to massage them back to a glistening gemstone.

Have patience, and if at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Mike Phillips
Sep 16th, 2004, 08:08 PM
How to remove the etching left by a bird dropping with ScratchX

At the recent San Diego Viper Detailing Clinic here at Meguiar's in Irvine, one of the club members showed me where a bird left him a little present on the hood of his black Viper. Below is a picture of the car after the Meguiar's polishing system...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2EtchedViper.jpg

Before ScratchX
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BVBirdEtchingBeforeRAW2.jpg

After ScratchX
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BVBirdEtchingAfterScratchXRAW2.jpg

Note: The above after picture was taken after three applications of ScratchX that were thoroughly worked into the finish. Each application removed a little more paint and thus removed a little more of the etching. After three applications the etching was no longer visible from a couple feet away. We stopped here because we were going to machine polish the entire finish using the G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100).

At the time the above after picture was taken, neither any polish or wax had been applied. The results will only get better with an application of a pure polish and then a couple of coats of wax.


Below is a picture of the same defect after a thorough polishing and waxing procedure was performed by the owner using the following products. (Note: The below is a list of all the products used over the entire car including the etching left by the bird dropping.

Products Used
Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11)
G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100)
W-8006 foam polishing pad (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=W-80)
W-9006 foam finishing pad (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=W-90)
#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-83)
#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80)
Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/techwax.cfm)
Ultimate Wipe (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-9)
Ultimate Bonnet (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=m-99)

After
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BVEtchingAfterPC1RAW.jpg

The 6.3 mega pixel camera, held about one foot away was able to capture what remains of the etching. The above photos are what are referred to as RAW format photos. That is they have not been altered or modified in any way, including resizing. They have been cropped out of the original at 700 pixels wide.

The after picture shows just a small amount of pitting, but not enough to continue removing clear coat from the finish because with your eyes up close, about one foot away, you cannot see this pitting. Standing directly over the hood of the car and looking directly into the hood, you can see no sign of the original etching.

When were were all through, the defect was no longer visible unless you knew where to look, were in the right light, and put your face right down close to the finish.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2NizFinished1-med.jpg

Read the entire detailing makeover on this Viper by clicking here... (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/thread/6900.aspx)

calircr
Oct 25th, 2006, 07:10 AM
The reason I was asking about Scratch X is because I do have a lot of light cobwebbing swirls in my car...using Scratch X by hand over the whole car can be a bit time consuming.

When using the #80, so I apply to the DAP and spread it across until it becomes clear then wipe off with a microfiber towel? Or is it like wax, wait til it dries and then wipe off?

gb387
Oct 25th, 2006, 01:53 PM
The reason I was asking about Scratch X is because I do have a lot of light cobwebbing swirls in my car...using Scratch X by hand over the whole car can be a bit time consuming.

When using the #80, so I apply to the DAP and spread it across until it becomes clear then wipe off with a microfiber towel? Or is it like wax, wait til it dries and then wipe off?

There is no need to let #80 dry, remove it damp. Here is a link that might help with #80: How to use the G-100 to remove swirls (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2965)

Phostenix
Jan 14th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Here is how to remove a bird dropping etching or an isolated scratch.

Only work a small area at a time - about 6 inch by 6 inch area or smaller
You can apply using a combination of circular motions and straight-line motions
Work the product against the finish until it looks as you have almost run out of product.
Re-apply the product and repeat the above steps 2-3 more times
Do you need to wipe off the "used" ScratchX between steps 3 & 4, or just keep adding more?

Mike Phillips
Jan 14th, 2008, 05:04 PM
[/list]Do you need to wipe off the "used" ScratchX between steps 3 & 4, or just keep adding more?

Remove any reside before adding fresh product.

IF you add fresh product to used product you dilute the fresh product, plus you might have loosened contaminants and particles of paint in the mix after a previous application.

adriankeith
Jun 2nd, 2008, 10:26 AM
Saw a live demonstration by Mike and I am convinced that when used properly ScratchX will do the job! I have to pick some of this up myself. Thanks!

Hoffmann21
Jul 14th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Ok, i used it on my dads car, Very severe swirl marks, and i gotta say. I used it on a 8X8" part of the back of the car and after 3 passes by hand, 2 by buffer, and one by hand..it got out 95% out. Why does my pad turn black?(his car is black and i clayed,wash,,ect)

im confused on that. To hard of rubbing?

TimG
Jul 14th, 2008, 10:44 PM
MIght be you're working on a single stage paint. If so, some paint transfer will happen.

Here's the link.
How To Test for a Clearcoat or Single Stage Paint Finish (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22872)


Hope that helps. :xyxthumbs

Tim

Mike Phillips
Jul 15th, 2008, 07:35 AM
Why does my pad turn black?(his car is black and i clayed,wash,,ect)



Like Tim said, it's probably a single stage paint, at least lets hope so because if it's a clear coated car and you're pulling black pigment that's a really bad sign. :D


What kind of car is it?
What year was it built?


:)

Hoffmann21
Jul 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM
Like Tim said, it's probably a single stage paint, at least lets hope so because if it's a clear coated car and you're pulling black pigment that's a really bad sign. :D


What kind of car is it?
What year was it built?


:)

Its a 2XXX Lexus RX 300 Black.

Hoffmann21
Jul 15th, 2008, 08:55 PM
it is a 200X lexus RX 300 Black

Hoffmann21
Jul 16th, 2008, 09:03 PM
anyone answer this?

Murr1525
Jul 16th, 2008, 09:11 PM
I do not know Lexus paints offhand... does the paint look to be in good shape? Or does it look like these:

Clearcoat Failure archive (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20411)

Did you pull up the black in several locations? That would be a sign that it is normal.

Lt1Corvette
Jul 16th, 2008, 09:31 PM
How much black is on the pad? A little or is the pad totally black?

Could be some residual surface contamination on the cars paint that is being removed and getting on the pad.

This is a pad recently used on a black car that was in really bad condition but the clear coat was still intact. Car had been washed and clayed.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/DSC_0761.jpg
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/DSC_0762.jpg

Hoffmann21
Jul 16th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Oh its black.
And no signs of clear coat failure at all. I got pictures in about 5 mins.

The pads im going to show you is when i bought Scratch X and i wanted to try it so i shot some quik detailar on the section and wiped it off. When i clayed and everything, the pad showed up somewht the same. I got pics of the car also

Hoffmann21
Jul 16th, 2008, 09:54 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/2ci8ahv.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2h7e0rk.jpg

Mike Phillips
Jul 17th, 2008, 08:05 AM
Looks like you have a single stage paint so the pigment you're seeing on your applicator pad is normal and perfectly okay.

To contrast... if you were to do the same things with the same paint care products to a clear coated car you would also be removing paint and getting it on your applicator pads except you wouldn't see it because it's clear... but it's still there.

:)


Actually, in most cases, single stage black paints are the easiest to remove defects out of, at least easier than most clear coat finishes.

:xyxthumbs

Hoffmann21
Jul 17th, 2008, 09:21 AM
its like a 2003 or 02 Lexus RX300, how does it not have a CC? im confused.

Mike Phillips
Jul 17th, 2008, 09:27 AM
its like a 2003 or 02 Lexus RX300, how does it not have a CC? im confused.

Some car manufactures don't use a clear coat type paint on all their cars. You can confirm this by joining ClubLexus and asking over there.

Also, some finishes have a tinted clear coat, so you can pull some color or pigment that way too...


:)

Hoffmann21
Jul 17th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Alright cool. Do i have to switch pads when it gets that dirty?
sorry for the OT post.

I will ask them

ESSO
May 5th, 2009, 09:02 PM
It good job, Today i buy ScratchX :)

jrel209
Nov 6th, 2009, 02:38 PM
I don't know if this has been covered, but I figured this is the best thread to ask in. I searched on two different forums so far not including this one (autopia.org, and a local Euro car owner website). But I recently received some slight scratches on my car, they are still extremely smooth nothing deep, more like scuffs I guess you can say. So after researching it seems like scratchX is the best place to start.

But the question is for the life of me which I cannot seem to find out is. What exactly is considered the right technique, and apply w/ 'passion'. TBH if you guys held detailing classes in Northern Cali Bay Area region, I'd go in a heart beat btw. But from what I've gathered, I know it's wash and scratchX to just the area you want to correct right?

But do I use a clay bar before scratchX, or is that not advised since I am only doing a small portion of the car? Also people say apply w/ foam pad, then wipe off? Is that wipe off w/ a Microfiber buffing towel, or w/ a buffing pad, or do they mean wipe off 'excess' w/ the current foam pad?

Lastly, I understand scratchX is not a protectant or rather sealant/wax, so what would you guys recommend to top it off? Do I just go directly to a sealant/wax, or should I put on some form of pretreatment; or is that not recommended since I am only going to do a small portion of the car?

Also is it recommended to bluetape just the portion you're working around so you don't get confused when putting scratchX and than the sealant/wax?

Oh ya btw, I am extremely new to the site, but have been looking around the last few days, the work that people show here is awesome!

gregory
Jul 16th, 2010, 06:10 AM
i have severe contamination from the sun in spots,what product should i use to buff these out only in sots here an there!!!!

Murr1525
Jul 16th, 2010, 06:18 AM
i have severe contamination from the sun in spots,what product should i use to buff these out only in sots here an there!!!!

You will probably get the best help if you are able to start a new thread, and put in a couple pics of these spots.

Mike Phillips
Jul 16th, 2010, 07:40 AM
On the bottom of the forum homepage (http://meguiarsonline.com/) there are pictures that show you how to,

Start a new thread...

If you want to start a new thread, then click to the appropriate forum by clicking here (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/index.php) and selecting the forum that best describes what your topic will be about and then look for the button on the left hand side of the page that says, New Thread and click on it. You'll see a place to type in your Subject and below that a message box that you can type your message into. After you're finished with your message, click on the Submit New Thread button and your message will be posted to the forum.


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/StartingAnewThreadsmall.jpg

fingermouse1831
Aug 5th, 2010, 05:12 AM
ill try and keep it brief, i have checed forums without success...
so here goes, i have a vw bora need to keep it clean and want a stunning finish.
i need to buy new meguairs products
i have clay and quick detailer, but am waiting on 7 show car polish, 26 or 16 wax, scratch x to remove swirls plast x for dull headlights. this will all be done by hand as i have no machinebuffer. question is, i dont seem to know best way to start? should i use deatailer and clay before scratch x or after and then show car no.7 then 26 and then 16? some assistance in the best order to use these products would help. i need to clean car remove the scratches and then polish up to a deep glossy shine. help greatly recieved the order and what to use.

The Eagle
Aug 17th, 2010, 01:59 AM
Best order to start is:
0) wash the car
1) Quick detailer + clay
2) Scratch X
2B) PlastX for the headlights
3) Car polish #7
4) Wax #16 or #26

Have fun!

The Eagle
Aug 17th, 2010, 02:42 AM
Btw: be sure to use a applicatorpad for each product and use a supreme shine microfiber for wiping off.

Mazal_khan603
Jul 16th, 2019, 08:11 PM
How to use ScratchX by hand to remove swirls, scratches and water spot etchings (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1516)


How to use ScratchX by hand to remove defects like these,

Scratches
Swirls
Bird Dropping Etchings
Water spots
Scuff and Mars



http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2ScratchX.gif+http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2W0004.gif+http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2UltimateWipe.gif = Success!

A couple of important notes to consider,

1) Clear coats are harder than traditional paints. This means they are more difficult to remove defects out of, especially by hand. This is part explains the increase in popularity of the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher.

2) ScratchX is not a wipe-on, wipe-off product, (WOWO), it's more of a wipe-on, work-in product, (WOWI). You need to apply with a clean foam applicator pad and when you're applying it you need to put a little passion behind your pad.


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BirdDroppingEtching.JPG


Here is how to remove a bird dropping etching or an isolated scratch.

Only work a small area at a time - about 6 inch by 6 inch area or smaller
You can apply using a combination of circular motions and straight-line motions
Work the product against the finish until it looks as you have almost run out of product.
Re-apply the product and repeat the above steps 2-3 more times

When I apply ScratchX like I have listed above, I am able to get out about 95% of a bird dropping etching or isolated random scratches.

The trick is to work the product in until it just begins to disappear and to apply more than one application. You see, the ScratchX, like all Meguiar's Paint Cleaners, contain a diminishing abrasive, as you work ScratchX in, the microscopic diminishing abrasives gently abrade the surface removing small particles of paint. But as you work it in, these diminishing abrasives breakdown. Thus, they quit abrading the finish and actually polish the finish to a clear, high gloss. This diminishing action turned polishing action is a benefit to you because it enable you to work out defects without leaving scratches behind.

Because the diminishing abrasive breakdown, you need to re-apply and repeat the process until the defects are removed.

Note: You can rarely remove a bird dropping etching, or a scratch, from a clear-coated finish with one application.

"A little technique goes a long way"

ScratchX works, if you work it. It takes a little practice to get the hang of removing defects out of modern clear coats with hi-tech products like ScratchX. It' not like the old days with a traditional lacquer or enamel paint job where you could apply some old-fashioned rubbing compound and in a few passes, the scratch would be gone, (and so would a lot of your paint).

High gloss clear coats are thin delicate surface coatings that are easily dulled and easily scratched. Once they are dulled down and/or scratched, it takes the right product, the right technique together with the human element of care and passion to massage them back to a glistening gemstone.

Have patience, and if at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Really awesome tips:
It will help a lot.
thickness concept is awesome