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Arne
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:56 PM
this is a test

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Tungsten
Oct 7th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Nice. :)

I ordered some #21 as well as #26 and a few other items the other day. Can't wait to try the 21 out and see how it compares to the Zaino I'd been using previously.

Arne
Oct 8th, 2006, 02:50 AM
Putting in some of my best pictures of my BMW 523i-2000 mod i`ve taken this year

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page2171
Oct 8th, 2006, 01:16 PM
I can't wait to see how #21 looks on my wifes 02 Grand Caravan. Its a nice dark blue that Dodge calls Patriot Blue. I just ordered yesterday, so I have a couple days to wait.

mongo
Oct 11th, 2006, 07:22 AM
Looking good.:bigups

You need to get some Professional # 62 car wash worth it really is fairly cheap great stuff :bounce did I say you need 62 LOL...

mongo

Deanski
Oct 12th, 2006, 02:09 AM
OK, what's so great with #21?

HammerDown
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:15 PM
OK, what's so great with #21?

The deepest shine, the wettest look, the slickest feel (bar none) outstanding paint protection and...IT LASTS!

PaBlkBrd
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:13 PM
A must have tool in your arsenal for a dark color car :coolgleam

HammerDown
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:29 PM
A must have tool in your arsenal for a dark color car :coolgleam

Yep, I've got one of them...Metallic Black :coolgleam

LacViet
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:34 PM
I just tried #21 for the first time last Wed on my black car and the looks is amazing; however, I notice that it seems to attract more dirt. I did not have that much dirt build up on the car when I used Tech Wax. Anyone agree? or just because it's a little windy for the last couple days here is SoCal?

MattN03
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:12 PM
So how does 21 compare to NXT with regards to application/removal, durability, shine, and depth? I've used NXT & Pinnacle XMT and like them both. I think the shine and depth is about the same, but XMT doesn't leave any powdery residue when removing it which is a big plus in my book.

HammerDown
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:42 PM
So how does 21 compare to NXT with regards to application/removal, durability, shine, and depth? I've used NXT & Pinnacle XMT and like them both. I think the shine and depth is about the same, but XMT doesn't leave any powdery residue when removing it which is a big plus in my book.

I purchased NXT prior to M21...because of all the hype about NXT.
Personally I feel NXT is a joke (sorry Meguiars) but when I like something I like it and when i don't I don't.
NXT seemed to only last a few short days on my black car out in the hot sun...almost like it burned off. Also after one or two washings it was gone. I had enough.

Learning about M21 and now using it for several months I've come to find out it out performs anything else I've tried. I've also done side by side comparisons of NXT(paste) vs M21 on the hood of my truck (silver), Toyota(Black), Corvette(white) and race boat (multi colored gel coat)...and M21 simply blows NXT away in every aspect.

Edit...M21 also fills minor swirls and has no powdery residue unlike NXT. It goes on and comes off like butter. Apply it very thin, and that's easy to do.

Newport Viper
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:44 PM
Me likey too!


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MattN03
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:55 AM
I purchased NXT prior to M21...because of all the hype about NXT.
Personally I feel NXT is a joke (sorry Meguiars) but when I like something I like it and when i don't I don't.
NXT seemed to only last a few short days on my black car out in the hot sun...almost like it burned off. Also after one or two washings it was gone. I had enough.

Learning about M21 and now using it for several months I've come to find out it out performs anything else I've tried. I've also done side by side comparisons of NXT(paste) vs M21 on the hood of my truck (silver), Toyota(Black), Corvette(white) and race boat (multi colored gel coat)...and M21 simply blows NXT away in every aspect.

Edit...M21 also fills minor swirls and has no powdery residue unlike NXT. It goes on and comes off like butter. Apply it very thin, and that's easy to do.


So M21 is only available in a paste? Bummer, I like applying the LSP with a PC 'cause I'm lazy :laughing

HammerDown
Oct 21st, 2006, 04:16 AM
So M21 is only available in a paste? ...

...Nope I never said that, M21 is a liquid.

OctaneGuy
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:12 AM
I used NXT Tech Wax for all my cars for 2 years. Then I switched over to #21 and haven't looked back. It goes on easy, comes off easy, it doesn't turn the plastic trim white, and seems more durable.

However, I never had durability issues with NXT. Whenever people post that NXT Tech Wax lasts only for a few days, it makes me wonder how you can tell that it's gone?? I mean, are you looking for water beading, or sheeting, or slickness, or what? I'm not looking for a debate--this has been over many many times here on MOL.

I'm just saying that NXT Tech Wax has been a good product, #21 has been even better.

M21 on a single stage finish
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M21 on a single stage finish
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M21
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sneek
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:13 PM
I like gold classes slickness more than M21s but Gold Class is not at all friendly to trim!

also M21 lasts and GC doesn't really

MattN03
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:37 PM
So is this M21 (http://www.meguiars.com/?pro-liquid-car-waxes/Synthetic-Sealant)?

sneek
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:49 PM
yes

RamAirV1
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:58 PM
I used NXT Tech Wax for all my cars for 2 years. Then I switched over to #21and haven't looked back. It goes on easy, comes off easy, it doesn't turn the plastic trim white, and seems more durable.

However, I never had durability issues with NXT. Whenever people post that NXT Tech Wax lasts only for a few days, it makes me wonder how you can tell that it's gone?? I mean, are you looking for water beading, or sheeting, or slickness, or what? I'm not looking for a debate--this has been over many many times here on MOL.

I'm just saying that NXT Tech Wax has been a good product, #21 has been even better.


This is a good question! I judge durability by slickness and how water rolls off the paint surface when I am rinsing after a car wash. IMHO there has to be some tangible property to show that a sealant is still left on the paint. If the water rolls off the paint easily, if the paint still feels slick, and the gloss is still there, then the sealant is still there. If water ponds on the surface, there is no slickness, and the gloss has noticeably decreased, then the LSP is gone.

I know that wax manufacturers claim that there is still protection there even after the properties I mentioned are gone. If that is the case, how do they decide that protection is there? There has to be some measure of protection and how long it lasts, otherwise there is no way to evaluate the claim.

Back to #21, the surface stays more slick longer than it does with NXT. Also, tar spots and tree sap are more easily removed, with just a QD, for a longer period with #21 with NXT. That IMHO is evidence of better protection and durability.

NXT has looks that cannot be beat. But #21 looks just about as good and is ideal for the daily driver since it lasts longer.

RamAirV1

MaximusZTS
Oct 24th, 2006, 04:56 PM
There has to be some measure of protection and how long it lasts, otherwise there is no way to evaluate the claim.

I dont know if there is a way to mesure the protection but here is a useful test (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6825)

RamAirV1
Oct 24th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Sometimes the test doesn't work but it's worth a try. When I apply 1 coat of MPPP the towel still squeeks. But after the second coat it passes the test. I have not tried it with NXT.

RamAirV1

rascal
Oct 24th, 2006, 05:55 PM
When I go through my two bottles of NXT Tech Wax, I'm going to try #21. :coolgleam

Daniel Kinder
Dec 19th, 2006, 04:33 PM
i have used 21 for the last couple of years and no troubles what so ever love the stuff.for you that are not sure which one you like better,try this 21 with 2 coats of nxt tech wax,7 show car glaze,last nxt spray wax .and do like mike says. "on 7 wipe it off slow and easy and dont try to take it off with the first pass,and use the even coat pad to apply the spray wax" results are unreal with shine,depth,and talk about a wet look!!!

Bulla2000
Mar 26th, 2007, 10:48 AM
Please tell us the right chronological order of the items you wrote.

1. 2x NXT
2. 1x #7
3. 1x NXT Spraywax
4. #21

???

HammerDown
Mar 26th, 2007, 10:57 AM
try this 21 with 2 coats of nxt tech wax,!!!

Ewwww, why would anyone want to contaminated, corrupt 21 with the lesser NXT? :wall:
21 is all ya need Daddy-O:coolgleam

Bulla2000
Mar 28th, 2007, 08:37 AM
One more time: wahts the correct chronological order for using these items?

keithl
Feb 14th, 2009, 09:26 AM
Yup tried a few brands over the years and was using NXT which was OK, but did not last and was a pain to get off. Tried M21 + Polycharger and WOW, been a convert for 2 years now.. as evidence...

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