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calircr
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:09 PM
Great ScratchX Questions Thread! (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16498)

Would it be possible to use scratch x with the dual action polisher or would it be better to use it by hand...one section at a time?

also, mike, I attended the detailing day class with 8thcivic, but I forgot what speed settings are for what...I know 3 and 5 were the speeds you mentioned but i can't for the life of me remember which was for polishing and which was for waxing.

Next time I plan on taking paper and pencil to take notes so i don't forget all the good information you cover.

Thanks in advance!

Tim

MaximusZTS
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:16 PM
From what I have heard you can use ScratchX with a PC.

The speed settings for PC use are:

5 = Polishing (Removing defects)
3 = Applying waxes
5 = Removing waxes.

MaximusZTS
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:18 PM
here is some other info that may help you.


How to remove a defect by hand with ScratchX (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1516)


Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2965)


How To Remove Swirls By Hand (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7011)

LacViet
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:20 PM
You can use ScratchX with PC, but it's not recommend due to ScratchX is too thick substance that will stuck to the paint and very hard to get out once it dried. I believe Meguiar's recommend ScratchX is used by hand only. If you want something that have the similar "aggressiveness" as ScratchX but can be use with PC, then #83 (professional line) will do the job nicely.

Murr1525
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:27 PM
#80 can be comparable to ScratchX as well. . it all depends the paint, and applying it properly.

Basically, try #80 first on the large areas, and ScratchX the areas that a PC cant reach.

Mike Phillips
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:48 PM
Would it be possible to use scratch x with the dual action polisher or would it be better to use it by hand...one section at a time?


Tim

At this time Meguiar's does not recommend using ScratchX by machine because when it becomes heated it becomes very gummy and this can make if very difficult to wipe off.

Instead, what we demonstrated and discussed was using ScratchX by hand and if you want to work by machine then step over to our Professional Line and use either M80 Speed Glaze, if you find M80 Speed Glaze isn't aggressive enough, then use M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish.

At this last weekend's class for the Honda S2000 club we did this using M80 Speed Glaze,

Horrific swirls in this Carbon Fiber Hood provides Meguiar's with the opportunity to show people how to remove swirls the right way the first time...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/600_SK2i008.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/600_SK2i007.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/600_SK2i009.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/600_SK2i010.jpg


Wipe down with Quick Detailer to remove loose dust
Clay with our Smooth Surface Clay Kit to remove above surface bonded contaminants
Clean using M80 Speed Glaze with a W-8006 foam polishing pad on the G100 using the 5.0 setting.
Protect using NXT Tech Wax with a W-9006 finishing pad on the 3.0 setting.
Remove dried wax using our microfiber bonnet over a clean, dry W-7006 foam cutting pad on the 5.0 setting.

Using the correct techniques, M80/W-8006/G100 will take care of 90% of what most people are concerned over. :D

gb387
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:53 PM
At this time Meguiar's does not recommend using ScratchX by machine because when it becomes heated it becomes very gummy and this can make if very difficult to wipe off.


Mike, I I thought it was re-formulated for use with PC or was that a rumor?

MaximusZTS
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:56 PM
Mike, I I thought it was re-formulated for use with PC or was that a rumor?

That is what I had heard too.

MotorcycleDetailing
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:31 AM
from what I heard its the same formular but some people have been useing it with PC's but Meguiars doesn't recommend it as it can clog up the pad, and you get better results doing it by hand instead of with a PC. If using a PC it is better to get #80 and leave the scratchX for those hard to reach spots where the PC can't get to.

I might be wrong thou, but thats my 2 cents worth.

Trev

matt_c
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:00 AM
Ive always thought of Scratch X the way Murr suggested, which is as a supporting role in the use of #80. For areas where control of the PC may be an issue or small hard to reach areas.

Mike Phillips
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:05 AM
Mike, I I thought it was re-formulated for use with PC or was that a rumor?

To date, there has been no announcement of this change. The current formula on the market is for hand use, not machine.

Mike Phillips
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:20 AM
but Meguiar's doesn't recommend it as it can clog up the pad,

The reason is not because it clogs up pads, any product can do that, the reason is,

At this time Meguiar's does not recommend using ScratchX by machine because when it becomes heated it becomes very gummy and this can make if very difficult to wipe off.



and you get better results doing it by hand instead of with a PC.

ScratchX removes below surface defects really well by hand or machine, it's just the gummy-factor that prevents Meguiar's from officially recommending it for machine use.

Mike Phillips
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:23 AM
Ive always thought of Scratch X the way Murr suggested, which is as a supporting role in the use of #80. For areas where control of the PC may be an issue or small hard to reach areas.

This idea/application is sound, as long as we don't loose the fact that ScratchX can be used over an entire car by hand. Some people think it's for spot repair only, of for small areas that you cannot reach by machine, but this is not true, paint is paint, if you rub ScratchX over a small area, or a large area, the end-results will be the same, (assuming you use good technique).

Now if you do all your work by machine, then ScratchX is a vital component of your arsenal because there are always going to be areas where you cannot get a machine.

jezroj
Dec 27th, 2006, 12:07 PM
Mike

Now that
ScratchX is New and Improved, do you still recommend hand use only or is DA now acceptable in your eyes? What settings would you use for the New
ScratchX (
wtw, now available at
Walmart).

:db:

houndlover
Apr 26th, 2007, 04:10 AM
Hey Guys,

What are your thoughts about using a basic, orbital buffer (not a PC) with 6" foam pad to work the ScratchX? I would think this would be as effective as a person's hands.

Murr1525
Apr 26th, 2007, 05:12 AM
This might help a little...

Rotary vs. PC vs. Regular Orbital Buffer (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1395)

J. A. Michaels
Apr 26th, 2007, 09:36 AM
Does the answer from last year still stand? Because after the product was reformulated, I thought it was printed on the tube. That it can now be used by hand or pc.? Anyone.

houndlover
Apr 26th, 2007, 10:45 AM
I have 2 new tubes of ScratchX, and yes, it does say on the tube that it is ok to us it with a PC.

I have read the how to, on how to remove scratches by hand with ScratchX. It shows using ScratchX, pure polish, and wax. Would there be any problem with using Scratch X, ColorX, and NXT? The car is red, so I thought the ColorX might help it pop.

Murr1525
Apr 26th, 2007, 11:12 AM
Sure, that would be a fine order. ColorX will be able to cover the polishing and first wax step all in one, then just a second coat of wax like Nxt will be good.

houndlover
Apr 30th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I used ScratchX for the first time Saturday, and had great results.

I have an '03 Mitsubishi with single stage red paint. It was pretty swirled, and had been improperly dried with regular bath towels after each wash. I do not own a rotary or G100, but I do own a basic 6' orbital buffer that operates at 4000 OPM, if I recall correctly. Here is the process I used:

First, I clayed the car.

Then, I applied 2 coats of scratch X to all panels (3 coats on the hood) via the orbital with a foam pad made by Turtle wax. I moved the buffer slowly - extremely slow over the worst areas, and removed with microfiber towels. At this point, I noticed a huge improvement.

I then put on a fresh foam pad, and did a coat of the #9, Swirl Remover 2.0 from the professional line. Again, I used the same technique of moving the buffer slowly, and removing with microfiber.

Next, I put on a terry cloth bonnet, over a foam hand applicator pad on the orbital, and applied a coat of Pure Polish from the consumer line, in the burgundy bottle, and removed with a microfiber towel.

I then finished with 2 coats of NXT paste, applied by hand, and removed with microfiber towels.

From now own, I will wash using the 2 bucket method, and dry with microfibers only. I am pretty computer illiterate, but if I can figure out the instructions for posting pictures, I will. This process took 8 hours, but the ScratchX was awesome, and the orbital buffer seemed to do OK (although not as good as a G100 I'm sure).