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mckeand13
Jan 3rd, 2007, 06:15 PM
Are there any inexpensive lubes to use while claying? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17850)


I was claying my car the other day and I feel like I go through a lot of QD.

Are there any cheap alternatives? Any home-brewed ideas?

Car wash soapy water in a spray bottle?

Thanks.

BlueTooth
Jan 3rd, 2007, 06:17 PM
if u want u can clay the vehicle while washing it that will save u some time and money

ronniejay
Jan 3rd, 2007, 06:43 PM
Probably a god idea to keep the wash separate from the claying as grit from the wash water can introduce scratches. Clean and dry first. Get all hoses, buckets, etc. out of the way. Soapy water spray will work. Be sure to NOT DROP the clay. Throw it away if you do! You might even just use a third of the bar, just in case.

BlueZero
Jan 3rd, 2007, 06:49 PM
Last touch at 1:1 works good. It's about $17 a gallon so you get 2 gallons of clay lube out of it. Soapy water works too, however I've heard that it will break down the clay over time. One time when I started claying it started raining really hard so I just finished up using the rain for lube. But I don't think using plain water is the best idea.

How much QD are you going through? You don't need to use much, just enough to the clay doesn't stick.

Abrasive1
Jan 3rd, 2007, 06:53 PM
Using 1/3 of the bar is good and if you do drop it, dont ever use it on the paint again. You could certainly use it on chrome and MAYBE even glass as long as it doesn't have obvious pieces of grit. So dont think you have to throw it away, just use some common sense.

gb387
Jan 4th, 2007, 05:29 AM
I am with BlueZero, Last Touch works very well. I have use soap and water for a lube and like he mentioned the clay tends to fall apart.

fishbonezken
Jan 4th, 2007, 07:51 AM
:iagree:

Mike Phillips
Jan 4th, 2007, 07:53 AM
There's a thread on this forum about this topic that's about 3 pages long, let us take a look and see if we can find it, if memory serves us correctly, it could even be in the Hot Topics forum.

Mike Phillips
Jan 4th, 2007, 08:06 AM
Doing a search in the Detailing 101 forum using the words,

clay lube

Note Mike Pennington's statements in this thread
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15171&highlight=clay+lube

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16284&highlight=clay+lube

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8444&highlight=clay+lube

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8278&highlight=clay+lube

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4964&highlight=soapy+water+lubricant

ridzy
Apr 15th, 2008, 05:58 AM
hi all..

somone told me you can sub QD with water.. is there any better solution? coz im not realli comfy wit the idea of claying with water as lubricant..
i tot of diluting the QD wit water? ehhe crazy idea?

just tryin to find a cheaper alternative...

BlueZero
Apr 15th, 2008, 06:13 AM
Soapy water will work. I've heard it might break down the clay bar quicker but I've never had a problem using it once and a while.

Mike Phillips
Apr 15th, 2008, 06:22 AM
There are plenty of threads on this forum on this subject, not sure which search terms would work to pull them up. :confused:


Nutshell version of forum wisdom is the best clay lube is a quick detailer product because it lubricates the surface while you're claying and after you're done claying and wipe the residue off the paint looks good because quick detailers are made to mist on paint, then be wiped off and leave the paint looking good.

This is something that is important to most people but they don't know it, the reason we know this is because in all our Saturday classes, when we work on a demo car, if while claying we leave any residue or a clay smudge people panic and get all worried about the paint. Then we wipe the paint again and the smear or smudge is gone and they calm down.

So we know that after using a product, (any product really), to work on paint, especially a product from Meguiar's, it's important that the paint looks good after its use.

Now let me tie this in to your option, Meguiar's doesn't recommend using car wash soap mixed with water as a spray lubricant for claying, the clay can be affected in a negative way by the soap and soapy water is not designed to be sprayed onto paint, and then wiped off to leave behind a a nice looking shiny paint job. This circles back around to what we typed above. That is, soapy water used as a clay lubricant isn't going to wipe off as easy nor leave your paint looking good after you clay because it's soapy water, not a quick detailer.

Besides all that trivial stuff, we understand that in some countries a bottle of Quik Detailer can be quite expensive and our customer's treat it like gold and would prefer to save it for wiping the car down to remove light dust and restore the 'just detailed look' and thus like you, search for a lest costly substitutes for use as a clay lube.

So just to be clear, Meguiar's does NOT recommend using water with a little car wash soap mixed into it as a clay lube, but that's what some people will use when looking for a less costly substitute.

:)

Mike Phillips
Apr 15th, 2008, 06:52 AM
Soapy water will work. I've heard it might break down the clay bar quicker but I've never had a problem using it once and a while.

We need to learn how to write shorty copy... :wall:


:)

Matt97GT
Apr 15th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I basically re-wash the car with Gold Class car soap and then rinse off after finishing a body panel.

BlueZero
Apr 15th, 2008, 11:02 AM
We need to learn how to write shorty copy... :wall: :)

:rofl:

Your answers are always much more informative. I guess I pick that up from my job. No one wants to 'read' a building plan, just a drawing with short notes. :o

Mike Phillips
Jun 25th, 2008, 11:47 AM
This questions comes up enough that we're moving this to "Hot Topics"


:)

ZoranC
Jun 25th, 2008, 12:39 PM
No one wants to 'read' a building plan ...
... or search before asking.

gioprivatemove
Jun 25th, 2008, 04:32 PM
you can try search on Optimum Non Rinse (washing without water product), it can be clay lubricant if you dilute it.

gasti_ako
Jul 4th, 2008, 09:51 PM
i found this again. yahoo. i saw this thread before and this is very useful.

bluey
Jul 5th, 2008, 02:53 AM
Can anyone tell me if the Spray Detailer (step 2 in the waterless system) is the same or similar to Quick Detailer, and can it be used with the clay process?
I can buy the spray detailer in 2 litre lots but the quick detailer only comes in the small spray bottle.

TH0001
Jul 5th, 2008, 08:35 AM
I agree with Last Touch 1:1. Great combo...

You CAN use soapy water, but as noted, it will break down the clay and CAN leave soap residue on the paint's surface which can: impede waxing (if you are using a wax/sealant with out cleaners), attract dirt, reduce shine.

A good trick (to save time) would be to wash the car normally then rinse. Since the car is still wet with the rinse water, you can use Last Touch undilluted (as the water on the paint will dilute the Last Touch.

Also Last Touch seems to help dry the paint easier (less water smearing) so it is easy to wipe clean.

Holden_Caulfield04
Jul 5th, 2008, 11:11 AM
ONR Clay Lube is great because you don't really need to wash the car afterward. I assume you would get a similar effect with Last Touch?

I've also used sudsy water before and that gives great lubricity.

J. A. Michaels
Jul 5th, 2008, 01:13 PM
I have never seen the need to wash the car after using last touch, 1:1 as my clay lube. To me its not that expensive. Getting a gallon for $17.00 then being able to double the product. 2 gallons for $17.00. If my math is correct, it comes out to 0.066 cents per ounce. Works for me.

redhotchevy2000
Jul 15th, 2008, 06:32 PM
i bought last touch from a local place for 9.99 :) thats about 0.033 cents per ounce ;) jk i didnt feel like doing the math, but i got a good deal :)

gww35
May 26th, 2009, 11:43 AM
Use the right quality product and charge accordingly.

Eddie6th
May 30th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Hi,I like using QD.I think it's the perfect lube,for consumers.I find if I do my car(small hatch),I use about 3/4's of liquid.I don't do it that often,maybe twice a year,so it's not a problem.More the problem for me is getting hold of the stuff,so i try to stock up.It's a handy all rounder!

Skuz
Jun 9th, 2009, 05:47 PM
The price of QD in Canada rose to a level that made me look elsewhere. I bought two 32 oz bottles of Detailer's Pride clay lubricant. More product for less money and worked very well. During the last detail, I ran out of lubricant while I had 2 doors to go. I tried the ONR clay lube dilution, seemed to work well. Next car will be clayed with this, if it works well, that would be an unbeatable quantity/price clay lube.

Ol' Red
Jun 10th, 2009, 08:27 PM
How about diluting QD 1:1 with water? Will this be OK?

Mike Phillips
Jun 11th, 2009, 07:58 AM
How about diluting QD 1:1 with water? Will this be OK?

It's not recommended by Meguiar's. You can dilute our Last Touch 1:1 with water for a clay lube.


D15501 Last Touch (http://meguiarsdirect.com/detail/MEG+D15501)
http://meguiarsdirect.com/imagesEdp/p84762z.jpg

Calais
Jun 17th, 2009, 11:08 AM
I filled an old bottle of spray detailer with a mix of water and a nice amount of Gold Class shampoo. I spray it on for a pre-wash soak and I use it for claying. Just rinse down your car with a naked hose (no nozzle) when you are done, if you clayed it properly most of the water should sheet/bead anyway.

cardriver
Jun 17th, 2009, 12:11 PM
Last Touch 1:1 is awesome. I use it as a clay lube and as a quik detailer at 1:1 dilution.

beautechnique-scott
Jul 19th, 2009, 08:47 AM
i use a home made lube frequently which i make up with bottled water ( as its filtered ) and ph neutral shampoo like that of megs soft wash gel.
works very well, make a weak mix spray on your hand and if it feels slick enough use it, if not add a bit more shampoo and test again then once youve found the correct mix use that, costs barely anything, just wash the car with water afterwards.

SHYNEMAN123
Jul 19th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Are there any inexpensive lubes to use while claying? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17850)


I was claying my car the other day and I feel like I go through a lot of QD.

Are there any cheap alternatives? Any home-brewed ideas?

Car wash soapy water in a spray bottle?

Thanks.

The guys who install vinyl graphics use 1-2 drops dawn to a 32 oz spray bottle to wet the area on large vinyl jobs this allows the graphic to move until it's in place than they squeegee out the water.

I put 3-5 drops gold class shampoo to 32 oz spray bottle than mist a 1 ft area to be clayed and it works great and if you go to a lot of car shows you can get free sample packs of car wash so the cost is free.

rusty bumper
Jul 19th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I don't know if you can find this product anymore, but I use a 25:75 mix of Final Detail and water for a lube.

I presume you can do the same with Last Touch...which replaced FD, BTW.

DetailArtist
Mar 7th, 2010, 01:55 PM
Are there any inexpensive lubes to use while claying?

THE ANSWER:

GLASS PLUS. About $3 a bottle, and it includes a new sprayer! I always cut it 50%, too. Can't do better than that.

Just don't use Windex or anything w/ amonia in it.
And if in a real pinch, try diluted windshield washer fluid.

Tuck91
Mar 7th, 2010, 02:38 PM
Are there any inexpensive lubes to use while claying?

THE ANSWER:

GLASS PLUS. About $3 a bottle, and it includes a new sprayer! I always cut it 50%, too. Can't do better than that.

Just don't use Windex or anything w/ amonia in it.
And if in a real pinch, try diluted windshield washer fluid.

I would not use windshield washer fluid on paint. I think any of Meguiars spray detailers are better than "Glass Plus" as well.

roushstage2
Mar 7th, 2010, 11:43 PM
I don't know if I'd trust a glass cleaner to be a good enough lubricant to get the job done safely. Not that I'd want to be wiping the paint with glass cleaner.

Mark Kleis
Mar 8th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Last Touch reduced 50/50 with water is only $10 a gallon if purchased at retail, or about $6-7 a GALLON if purchased through many vendors like ADS.

Considering Last Touch doesn't degrade clay in any way, doubles as an excellent cleaner/detailer AND water spot remover... I reach for Last Touch exclusively for claying.

I also use the same bottle as a lubricating agent for breaking up dried polish or compound - it's extremely versatile stuff - and cheap too!

Alexandre
Mar 11th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Quick Detailer is a amazing product to have on your car and is not expensive at all.

BobbyG
Apr 3rd, 2010, 02:29 AM
Try a cap full of your favorite liquid car wash and 32 oz of water. This works incredibly well and is the lowest cost solution to your problem.

guanterarefrigerada
Apr 12th, 2010, 08:02 AM
One question:

I believe (not sure) that "Last Touch" contains silicones.... can this aspect be a problem when waxes are applied in order to fix it to the paint?

In other words... silicones contained in last touch (if it has... I´m not sure) can avoid a correct fusion between wax and paint after claying (waxing is the normal step after claying)?

rusty bumper
Apr 12th, 2010, 05:33 PM
One question:

I believe (not sure) that "Last Touch" contains silicones.... can this aspect be a problem when waxes are applied in order to fix it to the paint?

In other words... silicones contained in last touch (if it has... I´m not sure) can avoid a correct fusion between wax and paint after claying (waxing is the normal step after claying)?


From my point of view, the petroleum distillates found in waxes / sealants will dissolve & remove any remnants from Last Touch, Final Detail, etc.

I don't think you have anything to worry about here.

Top_Gun
Apr 15th, 2010, 01:08 PM
Hi there, I have found a very affordable gallon of Last Touch, and would like to use it as clay lube. However, I don't want to reduce the life of the following layer of M16. If one of the following Mikes commented on the silicones in Last Touch in combination with M16, that would be much appreciated :-) Best regards, Detlev

20civic07
Apr 18th, 2010, 09:52 PM
autozone sells a 32 oz bottle of meguiar's quik detailer for $9. it is cheaper than compared to the 16 oz which sells for around 5 or 6 bucks. ( i think 6 at autozone but around 5 at wally world )

Fly Bye
Apr 18th, 2010, 09:57 PM
I was claying my car the other day and I feel like I go through a lot of QD.

Are there any cheap alternatives? Any home-brewed ideas?

Car wash soapy water in a spray bottle?








if u want u can clay the vehicle while washing it that will save u some time and money





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