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78_Caprice
Jul 14th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Well today I finally had time to do my car :) , In order, I tackled the following

1) Quick Detail With Clay Bar
2)Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner
3)Deep Crystal Polish
4)#20 Polymer Sealant


I did everything by hand! I used Applicators for each one and did a circular motion applying each one.

Now the end result I was very pleased, but it has like a swirl residue on the paint????

I'm pretty sure that's from the Polymer Sealant. But should it be like this? Is that what it's suppose to do during the curing time?

Also every product I used (stated above) besides the Clay bar, I got Paint transfer onto my rags. My car is Acrylic Enamel( no Clear Coat). It was oxidized a bit. Is this common and why does it do that?

Another thing. I only applied 1x for each product. Now when it's fully cured should I add another coat of Polymer Sealant or should I add my Carnuba wax?

But otherwise I am very pleased on the turn out! I hope I will have time to maintain the shine!.

Mosca
Jul 14th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Hi 78 Caprice,

The paint transfer is normal for a non- clearcoated car. All I can say is that it's a lot less paint being removed than it looks like.

The swirl residue could be a couple of things, but I'm going to guess that you have some product left on the paint. Try spraying a shot of the QD on it and wiping with a mf towel; did it go away? Then it's residue from the #20, not wiped off completely. If you're going to do another coat of #20 (recommended), then do it overtop of the residue; the solvents in the new coat will soften the residue. #20 is best applied VERY VERY THIN, as if you have the last bottle of #20 in the world and it has to last you the rest of your life.

It's good stuff, a very nice sealant.


Tom

Don
Jul 14th, 2004, 07:00 PM
There are several reasons that you are getting smear/swirls. The DC Cleaner and Polish have very high oil content. They need to be 'worked' so the oils can do their work on the paint (get rubbed into the micro pores and cracks) and the majority of the remaining oils absorbed into the applicator. When worked properly, there should only be a very light oily coating on the surface that is easily removed with a fresh microfiber cloth.

So, if your not rubbing the products enough, then add MORE product, or use too much to begin with, you are going to have smear problems from all the residual oils on the paint.

Another thing is that #20, while technically a polymer DOES contain some carnuaba, so if your using it in the sun, or the finish is too hot, the carnuaba in the #20 will cause some smearing.

Maybe someone else can chip in with more ideas

Mike Phillips
Jul 14th, 2004, 07:01 PM
Hi 78_Caprice,

Just to clarify, are the swirls... circular streaks?

If so, a second coat of #20 should remove the streaks. Just apply a thin coat, allow to haze 10 to 15 minutes and the remove.

After that, if you want to top with a Carnauba, go for it. This will also help to remove any fine streaks and leave behind a very uniform finish.

Mike

78_Caprice
Jul 14th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Thanks guys for the fast replies!

Yeah Mike they are circular streaks.

I'm going to add another coat of sealant tommorow, then let it cure for the day, then the next day use carnuba wax.


Thanks guys! much appreciated!

rjstaaf
Jul 14th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Lots of great suggestions, just a couple of my own to add. Make sure you shake the bottles really well. With any product, If they have been sitting and any seperation has occured it can affect how they work. Generally streaking is caused by two things, using too much product and/or not waiting long enough for the product to haze before wiping it off. The general rule is about 15 minutes but, if you put it on too thick it may need to sit longer before you wipe it off. At least that has been my experience.

Hope this helps :D

Tim Lingor
Jul 14th, 2004, 08:50 PM
Hey,

Just to add,

Be sure to apply the #20 Polymer Sealant to a cool surface and not in direct sunlight. Also, be sure not to use any type of fabric softener on your removal towels. Try to use a high quality microfiber towel like Meguiar's Ultimate Wipe for removing the #20. Lastly, after applying the #20, perform the swipe test. Take your finger and gentle swipe it across the residue. If the residue comes off easily with no smearing etc. then the product can be removed. If not, then give it a little more time, then try it again.

I have been using #20 for YEARS and YEARS and just love the stuff!! :xyxthumbs

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 15th, 2004, 10:16 AM
Well I just finished adding another coat of Polymer Sealant. IT'S SOOOOO SMOOOOOOOTHH haha. It didn't change in the appearance though looks like the same shine. The oily swirls are still there but I'm not to worried about them as I know when it comes to washing my car they will come out. Right?


One last question, should I put on a coat of Carnuba after the other layer of sealant is cured? or should I just leave it now?

fiberrich
Jul 15th, 2004, 10:57 AM
2hotford,

I've noticed you sing the praises of #20 in your various posts.

I hate to bring up the "w" word during the middle of summer, but I'm already trying to do some research for my plan of attack against - - dare I say it - - Winter!:eek:

How would you say #20 holds up to either MPPP or NXT? I haven't purchased MPPP and do love NXT, but I'm thinking #20 may hold up better against the elements of old man winter. (Who better to know than someone that lives in B.C.) :)

I figure two coats of #20 topped with a coat or two of #16 might do just fine. I hope to wax at least every 30-60 days, but if this year was anything like last . . . (burr!)

78_Caprice,

I haven't used #20, but the picture's I've seen look nice! I've been using NXT and my cars look great, but I purchased some #26 and #16 just to play around with carnaubas on top of NXT, which is a sealant like #20.

The sealants are nice, but man do I still like the look, feel, beading, etc. of carnaubas. You just can't get that with a sealant. NXT comes pretty darn close, but there's something about hand applying a paste wax to a car. Sure would like to see Meguiar’s come out with a paste version of NXT! – hint!

Try a carnauba over the #20 on half the hood or trunk and see if you like the look before you do the whole car.

Tim Lingor
Jul 15th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Hey,

Yep, I do sing the praises of #20!! I used to live in northern BC where winter temperatures would stay in the -40 degree C and have windchills of -60 to -70 range!! Darn cold!!! :eek: As a result, you could not wash your truck even if you wanted to. Any water left would freeze incredibly hard. So washes only happened when it warmed up!! I always used Meguiar's #20 as I knew how well it lasted. Come Spring time, I would detail the winter crud off the truck. The finish would be in excellent condition, even after those crazy winters!

Last Nov. early Dec. I was asked to give Lab Sample E (NXT Tech Wax) a try. Now, I do not live in the north anymore, but temperatures here still went down to -28.8C. The NXT held up very well. In fact, when Spring arrived, the resultant gloss was excellent!

This winter, gulp...I shiver to think about it, I will probably apply #20 topped with NXT. Although I really love the NXT, it is REALLY hard to shake old habits!

As for topping the #20, I too have done that for years by topping it with #26. I agree, the #26 just adds a little more warmth to the look of the paint.

Tim

seandoleer
Jul 15th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Hey Tim,

Where do you live now?? I am out of Calgary

Sean

drag_slick
Jul 15th, 2004, 12:57 PM
I'm trying the #20 route too, winters here in ND are brutal as well, and anything that will help protect will be welcome. Thankfully a buddy of mine ran a car stereo/detail shop, (they got out of detailing) but he lets me use the wash bay in winter

fiberrich
Jul 15th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by nightswan1
Thankfully a buddy of mine ran a car stereo/detail shop, (they got out of detailing) but he lets me use the wash bay in winter

You're a lucky son-of-a-gun! After this past winter, I dread thinking about washing the cars again during winter, even at the local coin-op.

Sorry everyone for bringing up winter so soon. Normally, you don't see this kind of discussion on the boards until fall. However, I'm debating whether to install insulation and drywall in the garage. I'm also looking at new lighting and will be looking for a propane heater so that I can at least try to get a coat of wax on from time to time. I figure, now’s the time to do it during the warm months. ;)

bluemoon
Jul 15th, 2004, 05:20 PM
I have one question for those of you who have used #20. Does it stain balck trim? We have two vehicles that have a fair amount of black trim and I have been looking for a wax or sealant that won't stain it if some gets on accidentally.

78_Caprice
Jul 15th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Well there was a rainstorm here:(:(.

One Question when I applied the second coat of polymer sealant , it wasn't fully cured before the rain shower, it needed about 10 hours of curing time to be fully cured.

So does that mean it just washed off that one layer now?

When I go wash it tommorow I will wash it by hand with a wash mitt then chamois it off? will that be okay? will all the products what I have applied be still left on the finish?

I hate rain haha:(

Tim Lingor
Jul 15th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Hey Sean,

I live in Kelowna now. Usually our winters here are pretty mild. But last winter was brutal! Right now we are in a heat wave of up to 35C!! Man, -28.8C in the winter and then +35C in the summer!!

Up in Northern BC was a whole other story!!

Tim

Tim Lingor
Jul 15th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by bluemoon
I have one question for those of you who have used #20. Does it stain balck trim? We have two vehicles that have a fair amount of black trim and I have been looking for a wax or sealant that won't stain it if some gets on accidentally.

First off-----:welcome to Meguiar's Online!!

Secondly, many sealants can cause difficultly with black trim pieces. If you are worried, you could always do what most detailers would do and tape the trim with Blue Painters Safe Release Masking Tape.

Overall, I have found NXT Tech Wax more trim friendly than #20. With either one, as well as most other sealants, the key is to wipe off the trim immediately. If it does get on the trim, you can use Meguiar's Trim Detailer and a toothbrush to remove it.

Tim

seandoleer
Jul 16th, 2004, 04:06 AM
hey tim,

good stuff my in laws live in sicamous, i'll be out your way first week of august

Tim Lingor
Jul 16th, 2004, 05:13 AM
Hey Sean,

Cool! I was just in Sicamous a few days ago! I just came back after spending a week at Revelstoke Dam (fishing the lake)! We will have to talk!

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 16th, 2004, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by 78_Caprice
Well there was a rainstorm here:(:(.

One Question when I applied the second coat of polymer sealant , it wasn't fully cured before the rain shower, it needed about 10 hours of curing time to be fully cured.

So does that mean it just washed off that one layer now?

When I go wash it tommorow I will wash it by hand with a wash mitt then chamois it off? will that be okay? will all the products what I have applied be still left on the finish?

I hate rain haha:(

Tim Lingor
Jul 16th, 2004, 06:02 AM
Hey 78_Caprice

Sorry I missed your post! I have to read all the posts that are being posted in the various forums and sometimes a couple get past me. Sorry again!

The amount of time that #20 Polymer Sealant needs to cure varies greatly depending on several factors ie. temperature, humidity etc. Suggesting to wait overnight is only a rough guideline.

Therefore, unless it started raining within a few hours after the removal of the #20, you will probably be just fine! For peace of mind however, you could always wash the car and add a second coat. That way, you are getting two coats which provides a more uniform coat on the finish.

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 16th, 2004, 06:39 AM
No problem at all!

BTW that was my second coat what got rained on before curing, it rained on it about I'd say 2 hours after I wiped it all off.

Tim Lingor
Jul 16th, 2004, 06:49 AM
Hey,

If that was your second coat, then your first one would be still protecting, and probably the second one as well. I would however place another coat on top just to make sure.

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 16th, 2004, 08:55 AM
Thanks 2hotford!

I'm just waiting to wipe the sealant off the whole car now:), wow I went through a lot of the Polymer Sealant bottle haha, but the car looks GREAT!

Should I top it off with some Simoniz 100% Carnuba after this coat of polymer Sealant is cured? or should I leave it alone?

Tim Lingor
Jul 16th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Hey,

You should be getting about 12-15+ details from one bottle of #20. If not, then you are applying it way too thick.

After the #20 cures, I like to top it with either #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax or #16 Professional Paste Wax.

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 16th, 2004, 09:13 AM
I guess I'll try the #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax that will be okay for my Acrylic Paint job right?

Also is it okay to apply that wax after a few days because I am working for the next 3 days and won't have a chance to pick it up till then.

Will that be fine? or does it have to be topped immediately after the polymer sealant cures?

Tim Lingor
Jul 16th, 2004, 09:28 AM
The #26 will be just fine! And, there will be no problem in topping the #20 a few days later. :xyxthumbs

Tim

78_Caprice
Jul 16th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Thanks again!

Also a big thanks to everyone else to, Sorry for being pushy, but I only had this week to do my car so the pressure was on!:(

So thanks for putting up with me:):xyxthumbs

bluemoon
Jul 17th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Thanks 2hotford for the welcome and the answer :) I do use blue painters tape on the trim now. I find that easier to do then go and find all the areas that I got a little sloppy on. Just wanted to know if I needed to keep using it with #20. Thanks again

Tim Lingor
Jul 17th, 2004, 09:54 PM
Hey bluemoon,

You are very welcome!! :) If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask them.

Tim

RamAirV1
Jul 18th, 2004, 02:09 AM
Where do you get blue painter's tape? I am not familiar with it. Does it come off easier than regular masking tape. I do know that masking tape can be hard to remove if you leave it on too long.

Masking off trim is an excellent idea and I can see where it would save a lot of time removing wax residue. I never even thought of that until I read these forums.

RamAirV1

JBRIII
Jul 18th, 2004, 09:58 AM
Home Depot. Lowe's, or any hardware store will have the blue tape. It does not harm the finsih of what it sticks to, like regular masking tape can.

John

Tim Lingor
Jul 18th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Hey RamAirV1,

I use 3M's Blue painters safe release masking tape. As the other poster noted, you can obtain it at Home Depot etc. It is a lot better and safer to use than regualr masking tape.

Tim

RamAirV1
Jul 18th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Tim and JBR, thanks for the tip. Regular masking tape can get real nasty if you don't remove it quickly. Plus I hate when I try to take masking tape off and it doesn't all come off on the first pull adntne I have to pick at it.

Lots of rubber trim on the GTO, so this could be a big time saver. Tech Wax doesn't stain the trim but if my applicator gets near it it turns black from picking up some of the rubber.

RamAirV1

bluemoon
Jul 18th, 2004, 04:25 PM
A co-worker looked at my car and said that with all that black trim your best bet would be to tape it off before waxing. I have owed him a big thank you ever since. I went to Target and bout some 3M blue tape and it worked great. No residue left behind, came off in one pull, and no stained trim. Just one of those little things that makes a big differance.