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tguil
Aug 13th, 2004, 07:24 PM
Tim (or anyone else),

When is it better to use #80 rather than #82? I've been very pleased with #82 on my black Hemi. Do you use #80 when there are no swirls to speak of?

Tom :cool:

Tim Lingor
Aug 13th, 2004, 07:35 PM
Hi Tom,

If the paint has light swirls and is a darker color, I have been using a lot more of #80 Speed Glaze lately and love it!! But if the paint has very light swirls, then I would use #82. Over time, you get a feel for when a paint needs #80 or when it will work well with #82. On your truck, #82 is probably all you need. Of course, I would follow that with the #81 Hand Polish and NXT x2. :)

Cheers!
Tim

ps. How's the ankle doing??

Rockpick
Aug 13th, 2004, 07:35 PM
These two products are VERY similar however; in my opinion, the #80 would be a better product to utilize in a more dry climate as it's an oilier product and would tend to have more of a life when working the product. The #82 would tend to dry much more quickly in the same environment.

Likewise, if you were in a wet environment, you may have trouble getting #80 to break down as it'll really want to stay wet. This being said, #82 may be a better product.

RP :D

Mike Phillips
Aug 13th, 2004, 10:12 PM
#80, #82 & #9

What's the difference and when to use one over the other?

If you imagine your Meguiar's products as tools in a tool box, the above products are very similar tools. They are all cleaner/polishes. The #82 and the #9 are very similar, but still different, at least when the chemist pulls up the formula and compares them. And #80 Speed Glaze, while being very similar in it's ability to clean, has a tendency to add more richness to the final result, plus it contains a paintable polymer that also adds lasting protection. Not long lasting protection like a wax, but longer than cleaner/polishes and pure polishes without this special polymer.

So if you'll excuse the analogy, it's like having three 1/2 inch wrenches.

*A half inch open-end flat wrench, with an open end at each end but with one of the ends with an acute bend to it.

*A half inch open-end/box-end combination flat wrench

*A half inch closed-end bent neck wrench

All of the above wrenches will remove a half inch nut from a bolt, but in some cases, one wrench will be best suited for the job.

One thing for sure, it's nice to have a tool chest with a lot of options for whatever you come up against versus a Crescent wrench. Nothing wrong with a Crescent wrench because a lot of times, it will work. But when you choose to go after the problem with a specific solution, a dedicated product for a dedicated procedure is a nice option to have available.

Mike

tguil
Aug 14th, 2004, 05:34 AM
Thanks, guys.

It looks like I will need a bigger Meguiar's tool box.

(The "moonboot" comes off my broken ankle next Thursday, but I'll not be allowed to get on a Harley for a couple of more weeks -- at least when my wife is around. :D)

Tom :cool:

2000
Aug 14th, 2004, 06:18 AM
here's what I find different with #80 over #82, on metallic paint. the paint with #82 looks like it has more depth (my opinion) but only a hundred metal flakes in it. with #80 it doesn't have quite the depth (again just my opinion) but it looks like there's a giazillion metal flakes. on my black truck I perfer to stay with #82 and #81 if I have the time, I seem to be faster with the two steps as I am more fimilar with how to work them as #80 works differently. I am in a very humid climate (at least when the weather normal, average should be high 80's but last two days we bearly got to 60) trying to compare the two is like trying to compare nxt with #26...what you like better on one color of paint my not carry over to another color.

Tim Lingor
Aug 14th, 2004, 07:16 AM
Hey Tom,

Maybe I should have explained in further detail for the benefit of others. Because you and I talk a lot, I know you understand what I am talking about but perhaps others do not. So....

For removing swirls on a car, I gauge the severity of the swirls. I then do a test spot with #82, then #80 and finally #83. All of these are with the PC and/or rotary. When I find a product that works for that particular paint, I use it over the entire car.

However, as Mike mentioned, #80 is a cleaner, a Polish, and has a paintable polymer. When used with a PC on Speed #5 and worked very slowly over an area, the product breaks down in a reasonable amount of time. If used with a rotary, it tends to break down very quickly, making it not a good choice for the beginner with a rotary. The TS Olis that are in #80 really enhances the gloss. As such, I have used #80 on some cars and jump right to the Last Step Product. The results have been awesome!!! BUT, #80 is a little more aggressive when compared to #82 Swirl Free Polish.

It has always been suggested to use the least aggressive product to do the job. As such, if the swirl reacted well to the #82, that is the product I would use. It works very well with either the PC or the rotary. It really leaves a deep gloss!

In the end, as Mike pointed out, it comes down to choosing the correct tool for the job. (Though I am starting to worry about Mike! :D)

Take care,
Tim

ps. as for riding the bike when the wife is not around, don't do it! I have no idea how, but they always seem to know when we have done something we weren't supposed to!! :D

Setec Astronomy
Aug 14th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Thanks, Tim...that was really helpful!

tguil
Aug 14th, 2004, 07:47 AM
OK, Guys.

How in the world did we ever get so obsessive about this stuff? Is it a product of our genetics? Or have we just sniffed too much NXT? Bring on the consumer line one step/cleaner wax and send me to a Twelve Step Program! "My name is Tom and I'm a recovering detail addict.....":D

Tom :cool:

2000
Aug 14th, 2004, 09:21 AM
hey Tim,
do you find one to have more reflective quilties and one to have more depth or is it just me and my eyes?

Tim Lingor
Aug 14th, 2004, 01:44 PM
Hey 2000,

Well, to tell you the truth, I have found a little more depth from the #80, where as the #82 seems to reflect more. The reason I said "seems to" is because, when the depth seems to have been increased, one perhaps thinks that the reflectivity is a little less.

In the end, I love either product. But as I said, lately, I have been really seeing what #80 can do, and I am impressed!!! :xyxthumbs

Tim