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pampos
Mar 21st, 2008, 08:34 PM
Yesterday i was trying to remove some extremely heavy swirls and water spots that they were caused by rinsing the car without wiping it for 2 years long.the car is a Honda Inspire black metallic paint about 12 years old.Is there a possibility to completely remove them by DA polisher?If yes what is the best combo for faster and effective removal by DA?Please help

Murr1525
Mar 21st, 2008, 08:41 PM
Completly is hard to say. Should be able to improve them a lot though.

#83 and the 8006 pad would be the most agressive choice.

Tim Lingor
Mar 21st, 2008, 08:49 PM
Hey,

As Murr said, it s hard to say. Water spots take on various forms depending on the way in which they were formed. If the spots were caused by hard water from the car sitting beside a sprinkler in the heat of the summer, or if they are chemically etched from acid rain.

The best thing to do is do a test spot and see how the spots react to the buffing. If the paint is workable/polish-able you may find that the spots come out pretty easily. However, you may also find that the spots are very deep and that the paint is very hard. If that is the case, it may require a rotary buffer or even stronger methods for removing the damage.

At this point, you need to do a test spot and then see what happens.

Please keep us posted!! :)

Tim

pampos
Mar 21st, 2008, 08:58 PM
Hey,

As Murr said, it s hard to say. Water spots take on various forms depending on the way in which they were formed. If the spots were caused by hard water from the car sitting beside a sprinkler in the heat of the summer, or if they are chemically etched from acid rain.

The best thing to do is do a test spot and see how the spots react to the buffing. If the paint is workable/polish-able you may find that the spots come out pretty easily. However, you may also find that the spots are very deep and that the paint is very hard. If that is the case, it may require a rotary buffer or even stronger methods for removing the damage.

At this point, you need to do a test spot and then see what happens.

Please keep us posted!! :)

Tim
the spots were caused by hard water from the car sitting beside a sprinkler in the heat of the summer.I already tried 4" SFX-1 pad ,Orange DAS pad ,8006 PAD,unknown orange pad, SFX-2 Pad,all of them with #83 and SFX-1 Restore Polish.After 4 passes the spots are not so much visible as before but are still there.I was trying all day long to remove them from the entire car.Maybe i have to use something more aggressive on more aggresivve pad?

roushstage2
Mar 21st, 2008, 09:55 PM
M83 and an 8006 is as aggressive as Meguiar's recommends with the DA. There are those who have used more aggressive methods though and they have worked. You may need rotary work to get them out. Never know.

pampos
Mar 21st, 2008, 10:09 PM
I don't want to work with rotary because if i use it until the damage is gone ,i am afraid that also the clear coat will say Bye Bye my darling : )

PorscheGuy997
Mar 21st, 2008, 11:21 PM
You could try some M105 by hand.

I think you kinda answered your own question. The defects are so bad that the process of removing them will leave the paint too thin.

It basically leaves you with two options: use the rotary and correct the problems only to have the paint fail later, or live with the problems.

Mike Phillips
Mar 22nd, 2008, 05:55 PM
What are you working with?

Tools?
Chemicals?
Pads?


Didn't see you mention this in your other post when asked? Maybe we missed it?

Remember, before going over the entire car only to be disappointed that you products and process of choice didn't work, try doing just a Test Spot and make sure you can make one small area look good before going over the entire car.

Besides having the right products, pads and tools you also need good technique.

If you're using a dual action polisher, have you read this?

Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20874)
(These are all similar tools)


p.s.

While this will get everyone's attention as your subject...

Help!!!!!!!!!!!

it will actually help you to get better replies faster if you give us some kind of indication as to what your working on or what your car related problem is.

How to write a great subject for your message! (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22272)

pampos
Mar 22nd, 2008, 09:00 PM
What are you working with?

Tools?
Chemicals?
Pads?


Didn't see you mention this in your other post when asked? Maybe we missed it?

Remember, before going over the entire car only to be disappointed that you products and process of choice didn't work, try doing just a Test Spot and make sure you can make one small area look good before going over the entire car.

Besides having the right products, pads and tools you also need good technique.

If you're using a dual action polisher, have you read this?

Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20874)
(These are all similar tools)


p.s.

While this will get everyone's attention as your subject...

Help!!!!!!!!!!!

it will actually help you to get better replies faster if you give us some kind of indication as to what your working on or what your car related problem is.

How to write a great subject for your message! (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22272)


i did the spot test with #83 and 8006 pad,SFX-1 on 8006 pad,#83 and SFX-1 on 4" Yellow SFX-1 cutting pad by a DA polisher.
I used #83 on 4" pad because 1)i get better results than other combos and 2) i didn't have something more aggressive and i had to get started.OK the paint was really in bad condition (before claying it the surface was rough like a fine sandpaper,full of scratches that maybe caused by rings,zippers etc,and water spots were drying there for 2 years.)I can say that the 80% are gone but i just wondering if i can make something more or if those are the limits of DA polisher.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/swirls_and_spots.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/water_spots.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/swirls_and_scratches.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/roof_after_4_passes.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/hood3.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/roof2.jpg

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/thumbs/before_after.jpg

Those are after several passes only with 4" pad and #83.