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cyberized
May 8th, 2008, 02:48 PM
Can someone please tell me WHY they even give you a Speed 6 on the G110 when they tell you NEVER to use that speed. [Is this like the one forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden]?:hm1

cnfowler
May 8th, 2008, 03:52 PM
:huh1

CleanGSR
May 8th, 2008, 04:13 PM
USE SPEED 6.

I think they say that because you may get premeture pad failure. I find this more of a reason to not use the Megs pads than to not use speed 6. I never use anything but speed 6 when doing correcting work and I get so much better results than when I was stuck at 5. Seriously use speed 6 and if your Megs pads start to break up then just switch to the Lake Country Pads. the 5" and 5.5" Lake Country pads correct better anyway.

roushstage2
May 8th, 2008, 09:11 PM
As mentioned, other companies do recommend speed 6 for their products. PB is one of them.

Mike Phillips
May 9th, 2008, 06:53 AM
Might be there for the future!

Have you ever noticed we come out with new products, new technology?

Just recently we launched D151, earlier this year we launched M95, M105, M21 2.0, NXT 2.0, M135, UQD... these have all been introductions of *New* technology. Who knows what's around the corner?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/future460.jpg


:cool:

EAT HEMI
May 9th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Might be there for the future!

Have you ever noticed we come out with new products, new technology?

Just recently we launched D151, earlier this year we launched M95, M105, M21 2.0, NXT 2.0, M135, UQD... these have all been introductions of *New* technology. Who knows what's around the corner?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/future460.jpg


:cool:


Does the G110 run on 1.21 GIGAWATTS?!?!?

Mike Phillips
May 9th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Does the G110 run on 1.21 GIGAWATTS?!?!?


It might in the future!

:laughing2 :laughing2 :laughing2

Nappers
May 9th, 2008, 07:44 AM
Just need a Flux Capacitor and MP3 player with bluetooth mind you for wireless music :D

LOL

Lt1Corvette
May 9th, 2008, 09:31 AM
Before I started using a rotary, I used to use speed 6 all the time on the PC. You can see some increased pad wear around the adhesive patch for the backing plate if you do it a lot. Simply it does a little more work a little bit faster. Its' not that big of a deal.

hacker-pschorr
May 9th, 2008, 09:53 AM
these have all been introductions of *New* technology. Who knows what's around the corner?
Whoa....so you are saying that the stack of 30 pads I just ordered will be obsolete when megs comes out with "speed 6 rated" pads?

:scratchhead1:pullhair1:bat1

Sorry, just having fun with the cool smilies I do not have on other boards :hide1

Mike Pennington
May 9th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Why....

Instead of developing a motor from scratch, which would be very costly, we sourced one that best fit our needs, and implemented it into our new G110. This means we had to be sensitive to the higher OPMS's....With that said, we must comment on the following statements.


USE SPEED 6..
We, Meguiar's, do not recommend speed 6, so please be careful with the forceful recommendations, especially when posting in caps...


I never use anything but speed 6 when doing correcting work and I get so much better results than when I was stuck at 5..
So much better results....:hm1 If you are having success at only 6, please proceed, but we must caution everyone else with regards to this approach.


Seriously use speed 6 and if your Megs pads start to break up then just switch to the Lake Country Pads. the 5" and 5.5" Lake Country pads correct better anyway.
We get great results each week in classes, and have heard /witnessed raves about defect removal at speeds 5 and below. Therefore, we respect that you use speed 6 with Lake Country pads, but at this time, we by no means endorse the use of speed 6 of our dual action polisher with our pads.....

2 statements we live by and need to stress...

Always use the least aggressive method.

It is always to be safe than sorry.

Mike

GTO4IBF
Apr 15th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Might be there for the future!

Have you ever noticed we come out with new products, new technology?

Just recently we launched D151, earlier this year we launched M95, M105, M21 2.0, NXT 2.0, M135, UQD... these have all been introductions of *New* technology. Who knows what's around the corner?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/future460.jpg


:cool:

Perhaps SPEED 6 will cause the Flux Capacitor to fail before you reach 88 mph

ClearlyCoated
Apr 15th, 2009, 10:27 AM
Can someone please tell me WHY they even give you a Speed 6 on the G110 when they tell you NEVER to use that speed. ?:hm1


Might be there for the [I]future!

Have you ever noticed we come out with new products, new technology?

Just recently we launched D151, earlier this year we launched M95, M105, M21 2.0, NXT 2.0, M135, UQD... these have all been introductions of *New* technology. Who knows what's around the corner?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/future460.jpg


:cool:LOL. If one day you should decide to channel either Dr. Emmett Brown or Master Detailer Kevin Brown, speed 6 will take you there! :D

Maserati Mario
Apr 15th, 2009, 11:31 AM
Tim the "Toolman" Taylor says: 'cuss it's more power! Oohu, oohu, oohuuu.

ColonelCash
Apr 15th, 2009, 11:50 AM
I've had good luck with my G100 at speed 5. With the increase in DA-approved products that provide more cut than previously before, the products are strong enough to get the good paint correction at speed 5, not speed 6.

For instance, I used D151 w/ G100 this past weekend and had really good results. Did it correct everything? No, but it did a good job.

Bri9801
Apr 15th, 2009, 12:31 PM
I just used speed 6 on my PC earleir today while (surprisingly for the first time in the 3 or 4 years I have had it) sanding wood with it.

Worked like a champ :)

Ivan Rajic
Apr 15th, 2009, 01:22 PM
There's simply too big of a difference in speed 5 and 6 on the PC and G110 for speed 6 to be left out.. speed 5 makes me work longer for the same results, and other than Meg's pads being cut into with the backing plate faster than at speed 5, there's no downside to speed 6.... yes a LC pad will work much better, not at correcting paint but at lasting a long time on the G110, speed 5 or 6, because of the better backing on the pad (better meaning larger).

I've been wishing for a while and I'm still staying optimistic that Meg's will improve on their old 8006/9006 pads as far as size and backing goes... no reason not to use a backing that spans the entire diameter of the pad and no reason not to supply the demand for smaller pads.. I just hope it happens soon

OP, speed 6 won't do any harm to your paint and will only damage Meg's pads if used with pressure and many times... in other words, feel safe to give it a try and see if you like how it breaks down polish and corrects better than speed 5.

ClearlyCoated
Apr 15th, 2009, 10:25 PM
I've been wishing for a while and I'm still staying optimistic that Meg's will improve on their old 8006/9006 pads as far as size and backing goes... no reason not to use a backing that spans the entire diameter of the pad and no reason not to supply the demand for smaller pads.. I just hope it happens soon.Smaller pads probably remain on the drawing board, but Meguiars has released their new line of x207 pads (7" diameter) and W68DA backing plate (5.75" with a flexible outer rim). The backing plates on the new pads has improved durability and allows for machine washing.

Mike Phillips
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:39 AM
OP, speed 6 won't do any harm to your paint and will only damage Meg's pads if used with pressure and many times... in other words, feel safe to give it a try and see if you like how it breaks down polish and corrects better than speed 5.


And please do note that the above is a recommendation by a member and his recommendation is not endorsed by Meguiar's, so if you follow their advice and have problems please contact them.

Thanks

:)

3Fitty
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:40 AM
I actually find speed 6 a bit unruly and chaotic. I find I can get everything I need from speed 5. To each their own, I suppose.

ColonelCash
Apr 16th, 2009, 01:15 PM
And please do note that the above is a recommendation by a member and his recommendation is not endorsed by Meguiar's, so if you follow their advice and have problems please contact them.

Thanks

:)

Ironically enough, that information is coming from the same forum member whose signature says "Always start with the least aggressive method!"

ClearlyCoated
Apr 16th, 2009, 04:12 PM
I fired up my new G110 last night and went through the speed settings just to test the chatter. I dialed in speed 6 but had to shut it down almost instantly when I noticed a small tear forming in the space-time continuum! Scottwax1

joncz
Apr 17th, 2009, 03:40 AM
6?!?

Pah! My DA goes up to 11!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/SpinalTap_Edith_503.jpg

phrawstbyte
Apr 27th, 2009, 07:18 PM
I've used speed 6 while using a claybar pad... it did a hell of a job but the pad didnt last more than 1 car IF it completed the whole car... but the rep that sold those pads to the car wash that I was working at that time stated it was meant for that speed...

Ivan Rajic
Apr 27th, 2009, 10:56 PM
Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

Ivan Rajic
Apr 27th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Ironically enough, that information is coming from the same forum member whose signature says "Always start with the least aggressive method!"

I guess it would be ironic in a way if I was recommending using G110, sanding disc and speed 6... if using speed 6 on the PC with something like M205 and a polishing pad, instead of speed 5, is considered aggressive then people all around the world should throw out their rotary machines... if you use the G110/PC enough, you'll see it simply comes down to user preference 99% of the time, and I prefer speed 5 sometimes simply because it vibrates less and makes less noise than speed 6... if, however, I'm using the G110 to do a 1-step or maybe even 2-step correction, and not just a quick 1-step with a lighter polish, speed 6 is where the dial sits.

Mike Phillips
Apr 28th, 2009, 07:18 AM
Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.


Meguiar's recommends staying around the 5.0 Speed Setting because running the polisher at the 6.0 speed setting for too long creates a lot of heat that transfers to the backing plate and then the foam pad and the combination of violent oscillating action at the 6.0 speed setting, the chemicals involved and the heat will tend to loosen the adhesive contact between the Velcro Interface and the foam.

Some people like to run the polisher at the higher speed and don't have any problems with it but on this forum we stick with the Meguiar's recommendations and we don't allow our members to recommend something to our forum members that goes against the Meguiar's recommendation because if the customer has a problem we're the ones that will be held accountable and have to solve the problem, not the member posting under an anonymous nickname.

Make sense? :poke


For what it's worth, out of the thousands of pictures I've personally posted from working on thousands of cars over the years at our training classes, cars I've NEVER worked on before so I don't know if the paint is hard or soft, or if the defects are deep or shallow, in front of anywhere from 2- to 40 people, ALL of the before and after shots where correction was done was performed on the 5.0 Speed Setting.

That's a lot of mystery paint I've buffed on in front of anywhere from 40 to 60 eyeballs and then the cars are backed out into full sun for everyone to see the results, and then of course the pictures are posted to the forum.

Besides speed, there are other factors that are just as important like good technique and choosing the right product for the job.


:)

Mike Phillips
Apr 28th, 2009, 07:25 AM
Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

It's posted in the thread for the speed settings for the G100/G110/G220, and its also in these threads for the new 2.0 pads as well as other places throughout this forum. We have some more pressing priorities this week or we would locate them for you and post the links for your reading pleasure. Maybe one of our Super Sleuths can help you out in this area.

Washable 7" Soft Buff 2.0 Foam Pads
W7207 Washable Foam Cutting Pad (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28355)
W8207 - Washable Foam Polishing Pad (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28354)
W9207 - Washable Foam Finishing Pad (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28356)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/809/170_W7207_CuttingPad.jpg (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28355)http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/809/170_W8207_PolishingPad.jpg (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28354)http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/809/170_W9207_FinishingPad.jpg (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28356)

Mike Phillips
Apr 28th, 2009, 07:27 AM
Why does Meguiar's recommend staying away from speed 6? If it was posted I must have missed it, sorry.

What the heck, took me a few nano seconds to find this thread,

Product, Pad and Speed settings for the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2524)


:bigups :bigups :bigups

Ivan Rajic
Apr 28th, 2009, 07:45 AM
Meguiar's recommends staying around the 5.0 Speed Setting because running the polisher at the 6.0 speed setting for too long creates a lot of heat that transfers to the backing plate and then the foam pad and the combination of violent oscillating action at the 6.0 speed setting, the chemicals involved and the heat will tend to loosen the adhesive contact between the Velcro Interface and the foam.

Some people like to run the polisher at the higher speed and don't have any problems with it but on this forum we stick with the Meguiar's recommendations and we don't allow our members to recommend something to our forum members that goes against the Meguiar's recommendation because if the customer has a problem we're the ones that will be held accountable and have to solve the problem, not the member posting under an anonymous nickname.

Make sense? :poke


For what it's worth, out of the thousands of pictures I've personally posted from working on thousands of cars over the years at our training classes, cars I've NEVER worked on before so I don't know if the paint is hard or soft, or if the defects are deep or shallow, in front of anywhere from 2- to 40 people, ALL of the before and after shots where correction was done was performed on the 5.0 Speed Setting.

That's a lot of mystery paint I've buffed on in front of anywhere from 40 to 60 eyeballs and then the cars are backed out into full sun for everyone to see the results, and then of course the pictures are posted to the forum.

Besides speed, there are other factors that are just as important like good technique and choosing the right product for the job.


:)

Mike your answer is directed at a 25 year old not a 10 year old, so yes English language makes sense to me and stick poking smilies are... well... :dunno
I asked a question out of curiousity and got an answer as if I was saying Meg's is wrong for recommending it... I'll make sure I make no recommendations that differ from what's on the instructions from now on if those are the rules... however, don't better tools and products stem from forums, discussions, different uses,etc.? I thought that was the purpose of the forum so forgive me for assuming that...

In any case, I've actually experienced the heat transfer you mentioned on the old PC I got from ads.net and only the backing plate velcro started failing/melting lightly... this was from heavy use in one day though on a hot day so it was somewhat expected...

As for all the paint you buffed, I do agree.. speed 5 will work on practically any paint, hard or soft... I was stating that speed 6 might be a bit too aggressive for some very soft paints. :xyxthumbs

Ivan Rajic
Apr 28th, 2009, 08:02 AM
Mike, I'll just say this one more time to make it clear... I asked out of pure curiosity as I don't remember seeing a clear explanation for it before... I didn't ask because I think Meg's shouldn't recommend staying away from speed 6... I've seen the 'recommended speed, etc." thread before and started off with speed 5 years ago... speed 6 worked better so hey, why not...

As for your other links, it doesn't give a 'why' as far as speed 6 goes, and on top of that it actually gives help to people who won't follow instructions... W7207 cutting pad isn't meant for a DA, yet you state that it can in fact be an effective cutting pad if used at speed 5 or less... so why not give me some advice on how to effectively use speed 6 on a machine that's not intended for it instead of crucifying me for recommending an available speed on the machine?

Mike Phillips
Apr 28th, 2009, 08:13 AM
I asked a question out of curiosity and got an answer as if I was saying Meg's is wrong for recommending it... I'll make sure I make no recommendations that differ from what's on the instructions from now on if those are the rules...


You have to remember, this isn't "Mike's Forum", it's Meguiar's forum and I'm held accountable for ALL the content on this forum including forum members recommending speed settings outside what Meguiar's recommends.

Sometime when I type up an answer I'm not just typing for the member in the discussion but for all the people that will read this thread into the future. We've had threads like this in the past where members have made their own recommendations against what the Meguiar's recommendations are and what they need to do is start their own forum where they can recommend anything they want and when their customers/members have problems they can then use their time and resources to solve their customer/member's problems.




however, don't better tools and products stem from forums, discussions, different uses,etc.? I thought that was the purpose of the forum so forgive me for assuming that...


You're talking to a guy that's been on forums since before vBulletin forums was released, I go back to documented 1994 on rec.autos. which then morphed into rec.autos.tech and rec.autos.misc These were text based bulletin boards.

So yes I completely understand how the interaction on a discussion forum can lead to improvements in all areas of life, but at this time the official recommendation from Meguiar's is to stay at or below the 5.0 Speed Setting for our tools, our backing plates and our pads.



In any case, I've actually experienced the heat transfer you mentioned on the old PC I got from ads.net and only the backing plate Velcro started failing/melting lightly... this was from heavy use in one day though on a hot day so it was somewhat expected...


I've melted a few things in my detailing life...



As for all the paint you buffed, I do agree.. speed 5 will work on practically any paint, hard or soft... I was stating that speed 6 might be a bit too aggressive for some very soft paints. :xyxthumbs


My mistake then, all this time I thought you've been promoting the use of the 6.0 speed setting and questioning why we don't recommend it.

My apologies. When I get caught up I'll read through this entire post to make sure of what's really being discussed and recommended. At this time however there are more pressing priorities.

:)

Ivan Rajic
Apr 28th, 2009, 08:44 AM
Mike, being who you are, I can understand you not wanting to discuss anything like this and taking a more defensive approach, so let's just leave it at that. You have to deal with those who complain to you even if you clearly state to try stuff at their own risk... which is what I did, thinking whoever tried would have enough sense never to complain to Meg's about it as that's not their recommendation... many people don't have that sense so I shouldn't even mention it...

I would still like to know, out of complete curiosity, why there is a speed 6? Is it in case people decided to use a sanding disc? Again, I just want to know, I don't want Meg's to tear it out or anything haha

Mike Phillips
Apr 28th, 2009, 09:17 AM
I would still like to know, out of complete curiosity, why there is a speed 6?

Is it in case people decided to use a sanding disc? Again, I just want to know, I don't want Meg's to tear it out or anything haha



You know how we introduced M105 and M205? Also products like the new washable foam pads? Behind the scenes we're working on a lot of new products, (we're always working on new and better products), so who's to say that in the future there might be a product and or system introduced that will be recommended to be used on the 6.0 setting.

If you're ever reading one of my posts and you see the words,

at this time

For example,

At this time, Meguiar's recommends using the 5.0 Speed Setting when using our W-8006 with Ultimate Compound.

Those hose words are purposefully selected and used as a way of leaving an opening for changes in the future. Words are important... just ask any lawyer. Learned a long time ago via the forums to choose your words very carefully because there's a small segment of online enthusiasts that will dissect every sentence you write and try to find fault. Seems weird to the rest of us but that's the nature of some people. It's a style of defensive writing, as in only writing or posting things to the forums that I already know I can defect if it's ever challenged. Takes a little longer to think issues through and then form words to create replies that will endure over long periods of time but so far it's proven to be very successful.


:D

Ivan Rajic
Apr 28th, 2009, 09:33 AM
You know how we introduced M105 and M205? Also products like the new washable foam pads? Behind the scenes we're working on a lot of new products, (we're always working on new and better products), so who's to say that in the future there might be a product and or system introduced that will be recommended to be used on the 6.0 setting.

If you're ever reading one of my posts and you see the words,

at this time

For example,

At this time, Meguiar's recommends using the 5.0 Speed Setting when using our W-8006 with Ultimate Compound.

Those hose words are purposefully selected and used as a way of leaving an opening for changes in the future. Words are important... just ask any lawyer. Learned a long time ago via the forums to choose your words very carefully because there's a small segment of online enthusiasts that will dissect every sentence you write and try to find fault. Seems weird to the rest of us but that's the nature of some people. It's a style of defensive writing, as in only writing or posting things to the forums that I already know I can defect if it's ever challenged. Takes a little longer to think issues through and then form words to create replies that will endure over long periods of time but so far it's proven to be very successful.


:D

Makes sense