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Andrew C.
Jun 20th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Difference between NXT 2.0 vs M21 (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24775)

First off I tried searching for this, but search results never seem to work too well when using numbers...

I was wondering what people think of NXT 2.0 compared to 21. Both are synthetic. However you can buy more 21 for a cheaper price and in bulk.


Thanks!

Mike Phillips
Jun 20th, 2008, 09:23 AM
It's basically the same product, the formula for M21 has been tweaked so that it can be applied using a rotary buffer which means it's been tweaked so that it can be subjected to higher temperatures and still perform well as a rotary buffer generates heat fairly quickly.

Meguiar's doesn't really promote applying waxes using a rotary buffer as it will tend to leave swirls in the surface but some in the detailing industry apply waxes this way so you have to take this into consideration when creating a formula for a target market.

Most detailing operations are production oriented, that is how fast can they buff a car out and then push it out the door so the next car can be brought in. So it's about speed first, not quality. That's why some products in our line are formulated so that they can be applied using a rotary buffer, it's not that it's the best way to apply a product, it's just the reality of how the industry works.



Hope this helps...

:)

Murr1525
Jun 20th, 2008, 09:28 AM
BTW, there is also M21 2.0.....

Blake Beamish
Jun 20th, 2008, 09:33 AM
BTW, there is also M21 2.0.....

And the same stands for the comparison between NXT 2.0 and #21 2.0

Andrew C.
Jun 20th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Thanks Mike! I was at the Open Garage Last Night and I think I asked you that same question, but I didn't quite remember exactly what you said. I really enjoyed it. I had never used NXT 2.0 before and I saw how it left the black cars with such a deep color. We never tried 21 out last night. You said they are essentially the same except 21 can be applied at higher speeds for a rotary. Will 21 applied by the DA still leave that nice deep color that NXT 2.0 left?


Thanks!

Mike Phillips
Jun 20th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Will 21 applied by the DA still leave that nice deep color that NXT 2.0 left?

Thanks!

Of course! They both are top notch products and will produce top notch results!

:xyxthumbs

Mark Kleis
Jun 20th, 2008, 01:49 PM
Of course! They both are top notch products and will produce top notch results!

:xyxthumbs

Heck yes they are. I've used maybe 1-2 ounces TOTAL of #21 2.0 and it has detailed 8 cars so far! :woot2 This stuff can, and NEEDS to be put on in very thin coats...but man it protects. I've done some follow-up washes for clients and it beads and LOOKS like day 1.

Darren F
Jun 24th, 2008, 09:55 AM
Does the #21 2.0 fill like the NXT 2.0?

Mark Kleis
Jun 24th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Does the #21 2.0 fill like the NXT 2.0?

My understanding as it was explained to me by Mike Phillips at the 101 detailing class he hosted is that the basic difference between NXT 2.0 and #21 2.0 is that #21 is formulated to work better in situations of higher heat (ie application my high speed machines).

Otherwise, they are intended to do the same thing.

Hope this helps.

Mark

Darren F
Jun 29th, 2008, 06:23 PM
so does that mean the 21 2.0 doesnt leave the film that a lot of people say they get from the NXT 2.0? From what Ive read it seems as if the film comes out from heat.

Mike Phillips
Jun 30th, 2008, 07:20 AM
so does that mean the 21 2.0 doesn't leave the film that a lot of people say they get from the NXT 2.0? From what Ive read it seems as if the film comes out from heat.

Actually, if by the word 'film' you're referring to the dark and light patches, streaks or what people describe as a greasy look then we've had posts describing this with M21 also.

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Jeepster04
Jun 30th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Ive always been curious about those two products. If NXT and #21 are similar then why does everyone say that #21 lasts so much longer than NXT?

Mike Phillips
Jul 1st, 2008, 06:53 AM
why does everyone say that #21 lasts so much longer than NXT?



We've been reading this on multiple forums since these products were introduced... maybe this old saying applies?

"Perception is reality"


:)

searle
Mar 12th, 2010, 04:05 PM
It's basically the same product, the formula for M21 has been tweaked so that it can be applied using a rotary buffer which means it's been tweaked so that it can be subjected to higher temperatures and still perform well as a rotary buffer generates heat fairly quickly.

That is what I have always thought, but in the Meguiars product comparison table (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37547&highlight=aggressive+pad), NXT2 is listed as a Polish/Wax while M21 is listed as a Pure Wax.
- Is there any significant difference in NXT2 vs #21 regarding polish/glaze content?
- Is there any significant difference in their (very mild) cleaner content?

Alexandre
Mar 13th, 2010, 07:15 PM
NXT 2.0 is U$40
M21 2.0 is U$25

I guess I' ll start to get M21 instead of NXT since they are practically the same.

Andrew C.
Mar 14th, 2010, 12:29 AM
That is what I have always thought, but in the Meguiars product comparison table (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37547&highlight=aggressive+pad), NXT2 is listed as a Polish/Wax while M21 is listed as a Pure Wax.
- Is there any significant difference in NXT2 vs #21 regarding polish/glaze content?
- Is there any significant difference in their (very mild) cleaner content?



Honestly I couldn't tell you of any chemical differences in their polish/glaze content, but they look essentially identical. (BTW This thread is like two years old so I'm no longer wondering about the differences)

Look at it this way, M21 is NXT that can be used with a rotary if desired.