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Mike Phillips
Jul 9th, 2008, 09:17 AM
How To Remove a Bird Dropping Etching by Hand using M105 Ultra Cut Compound (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25251)

Below is the real-world pictures captured at a recent Saturday Class here at Meguiar's where we used M105 Ultra Cut Compound to quickly and easily remove the etching left by a bird dropping. There were two very blatant etchings on the hood of this Chrysler and as part of a demonstration on technique, we demonstrated both ScratchX and M105. The results were that both product worked but the M105 worked faster with less work and produced better results.


Here are the products we used,

M105 Ultra Cut Compound (http://www.meguiars.com/?pro-paint-cleaners-compounds/Ultra-Cut-Compound)
ScratchX (http://www.meguiars.com/?auto-paint-cleaners/ScratchX)
Soft Foam Applicator Pads (http://www.meguiars.com/?specialized-tools-applicators/Soft-Foam-Applicator-Pad)
Supreme Shine Microfiber Polishing Cloths (http://www.meguiars.com/?car-wash-towels/Supreme-Shine-Microfiber-Towel)



Taken from this thread...
Open Class - Pictures & Comments - June 28th, 2008 (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24968)


Here's some before & after pictures of two bird dropping etchings we removed by HAND

The first one we removed by hand using M105 Ultra Cut Compound, the second one we removed by hand using ScratchX.

The results were both amazing but what most people found interesting was the M105 removed 99.9% of the defect with one application while ScratchX removed about 95% of the defect with 3 applications.

ScratchX also required more "Passion behind the pad" for each application while M105 required some passion to engage the product with the paint but nowhere near as much pressure or as much time.


First we'll frame up the shot so you can see the car and where the bird dropping etchings were. The etching being pointed to is the one we removed using M105 and just to the left of that spot is the bird dropping etching we removed using ScratchX

Except for the first picture, all the rest are original photos, no touch-up work at all was done to them. Some were cropped and resized but that's just so they will fit on your monitor.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/RemoveBirdDropping001.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/RemoveBirdDropping002.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/RemoveBirdDropping003.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/RemoveBirdDropping004.jpg



The finish overall is swirled-out but Bob's going to put his new learned skills and knowledge to work to restore a show car finish for his wife!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/RemoveBirdDropping005.jpg


M105 Before
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/M105RemoveBirdDropping001c.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/M105RemoveBirdDropping002c.jpg


M105 After
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/M105RemoveBirdDropping003c.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/M105RemoveBirdDropping004c.jpg



ScratchX Before
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/ScratchXRemoveBirdDropping002c.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/ScratchXRemoveBirdDropping002c.jpg


ScratchX After
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/ScratchXRemoveBirdDropping003c.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/797/ScratchXRemoveBirdDropping004c.jpg



Both work if you work them but it was very apparent that for removing below surface defects by hand M105 Ultra Cut Compound was the hands-down winner.


:)

Senator
Jul 11th, 2008, 05:14 AM
Wow, great work, ill have to remember this one :)

glenndale
Jul 15th, 2008, 11:02 AM
is there alternative for this product, coz i cant find this product here in toronto (canadian tire, wal mart, part source). Maybe there is a diffrent product which works aggressive as this M105. Or anyone who lives in Toronto that know where to but this complete Meguiars products would be greatly appredciated, thanks!

Mike Phillips
Jul 15th, 2008, 11:17 AM
is there alternative for this product, coz i cant find this product here in toronto (canadian tire, wal mart, part source). Maybe there is a diffrent product which works aggressive as this M105. Or anyone who lives in Toronto that know where to but this complete Meguiar's products would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

No. There's not alternative. You can use M95 which will do the same job but it may not finish out as nice which means you'll have to do a follow-up step to get the paint smooth and clear.

M105 is the high-end version and it has the extra bells and whistles that enable it to finish out like a finishing polish.

At this time there just isn't usually a replacement for this.

Mike

CaliColin
Jul 15th, 2008, 03:29 PM
I went to the Saturday class and watched ScratchX and M105 in action as well. All I have to say is, I ordered a bottle of M105 the following Monday. Fantastic product.

badasis300
Jul 15th, 2008, 05:43 PM
That looks really good. I wish there was a wax that protect the paints finish from bird droppings.

PMPMD
Aug 6th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Maybe this has been answered before, but I couldn't find it when I searched.

Anyway, As far as Meguiar's aggressiveness scale goes, where does ScratchX fit in?

I know M105 is a 12, which is very high. I'm guessing ScratchX is significantly less aggressive initially? Would that be why it requires more applications to achieve the desired result?

LustrousWS6
Aug 8th, 2008, 02:26 AM
From my experience (I'm not a professional, many others know far more than I) ScratchX is not very aggressive at all. It doesn't have as many abbrasives as say M80 and has more polishes. It's great because you can work it by hand and get a LOT of concentrated pressure on a small area and get out some pretty heavy stuff. I've seen it work BETTER than 80 on certain paints and barely cut down scratches on certain hard clear coats. All depends on what you're working on, really. So in terms of aggressiveness on their scale, I'd put it a notch or so below M80 (which I can't remember at the moment.. it's LATE lol). Hope I helped :)

brianswimmer23
Aug 10th, 2008, 07:47 PM
just bought the m105 and i love it!! i also use the scratch x and i still love it too!!

Markus Kleis
Aug 11th, 2008, 12:19 AM
M105 is unreal by machine or by hand.

I have removed DEEP, old fingernail and ring scratches inside the painted handle wells on doors with M105 BY FINGER before...heh.

M105 on a Purple Foamed Wool is my #1 weapon of choice for swirl and scratch removal by FLEX.

Holden_Caulfield04
Aug 11th, 2008, 06:43 AM
is there alternative for this product, coz i cant find this product here in toronto (canadian tire, wal mart, part source). Maybe there is a diffrent product which works aggressive as this M105. Or anyone who lives in Toronto that know where to but this complete Meguiars products would be greatly appredciated, thanks!

You can find M105 as well as M80, M83 at www.eshine.ca. They're based in Port Colborne (Niagara Falls). My orders arrive at my door pretty quickly and the prices are competitive with the prices stateside. You can't go wrong. :xyxthumbs

OhioCarBuff
Sep 2nd, 2008, 05:54 PM
When you used the #105 by hand with the foam applicator, did it finish off with a haze free crystal clear finish? It looks like it finished off as crystal clear as the scratch X did from the photos, I'm just curious how it was in person

gb387
Oct 21st, 2008, 01:59 PM
Still doing some catch up on old threads - very nice! Great Photos!

mtldetail
Jan 14th, 2009, 09:46 AM
I've been experimenting with 105 as well., I like it, but I'm still unsure of how much to put on my foam applicator pad when applying?

Also, I've also experienced some hazing after using 105, i figured I could correct it by following the 105, with 80, but that didn't work as well as expected.

Any body have any suggestions for me?

02zx9r
Jan 17th, 2009, 04:30 AM
i would try the scratchx or 205 after the 105

mtldetail
Jan 17th, 2009, 07:43 AM
Ah yes! I could try scratchX.or how about M09? Unfortunately I haven't been able to find and 205 here in canada:(

Mike Phillips
Jan 17th, 2009, 08:06 AM
I've been experimenting with 105 as well., I like it, but I'm still unsure of how much to put on my foam applicator pad when applying?

Also, I've also experienced some hazing after using 105, i figured I could correct it by following the 105, with 80, but that didn't work as well as expected.

Any body have any suggestions for me?

When using M105 by hand to remove defects you would start out with firm pressure, working an area about 1 foot square or smaller and about 50 seconds to a minute into the process you would lighten your pressure up and re-rub out the section with less pressure.

If you're seeing any hazing after using M105 then chase it with ScratchX.

It's vitally important that your foam applicators are clean. Just to note, it's possible that M105 could not finish out totally clear but to date it's never happened when I've used in on any paint system, so good technique is a must.

Hope that helps...

:)

mtldetail
Jan 17th, 2009, 10:34 AM
ok thanks for the input mike. However, im still unsure of how much product to be putting on my foam applicator pad.:scratchhead1

Murr1525
Jan 17th, 2009, 02:46 PM
As Mike said, you want about a one foot square area. So when you put product on the pad, you want to be able to have a thin layer of product on that area. By hand, you could smear it around, or by machine you would do a couple dabs across the area, and then pick them up with the machine as you go.

xtremex626
Aug 10th, 2009, 10:37 PM
Okay, I'm sorry for bringing up an old thread but I am new here. I have the same problem here as you can see from the below picture. What is the best solution for me? These bird drop etchings have been on the car ever since I purchased it, which was in June 2009. Now, it is August. Do they sell M105 in auto parts stores? If not, do you think ScratchX/ScratchX 2.0 will do the job? Please fill me in here guys.

P.S: I am kind of on a tight budget and I know the M105 can run for about $30+. Would ScratchX/ScratchX 2.0 be the best pick then? =/
http://i28.tinypic.com/30rnwuc.jpg

Michael Stoops
Aug 11th, 2009, 05:23 AM
First off, welcome to MOL!

Wow, those are some nasty looking stains/etchings from bird droppings, that's for sure. You will probably be best served by using Ultimate Compound on those areas - derived from M105 it is available at most auto parts stores and even Wal-Mart. Use it the same way as M105 has been outlined in this thread and you should be good to go.

Nappers
Aug 11th, 2009, 05:28 AM
UC is great stuff, give it a try!

It may take more than one pass so, be patient :xyxthumbs

xtremex626
Dec 25th, 2009, 01:07 PM
Update: I tried using ScratchX 2.0 to remove the bird poop etchings but to no avail. It's still on there. I don't think there is another way to remove them because if I look closely.. the paint looks cracked already and I don't think M105 would help the situation any further. Using ScratchX 2.0 actually made the bird poop etchings more noticeable.

Just a quick question about M105: Will using M105 hurt or damage the clearcoat finish on the hood if I was to use it to remove the bird poop etchings? Or would I just have to buffer it out with wax and I'll be good to go?