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Mike Phillips
Aug 7th, 2008, 04:14 PM
1976 Silverline Deville Boat - Extreme Makeover (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26117)

The boat is here so let the fun begin!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/SilverlineMakeover001.jpg


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/SilverlineMakeover002.jpg


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/SilverlineMakeover003.jpg

Mr Mustang
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:17 PM
this is probably a stupid question, but, how are you going to get to the areas on the boat behind the side pillars on the trailer?

Andy M.
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:57 PM
this is probably a stupid question, but, how are you going to get to the areas on the boat behind the side pillars on the trailer?

I think it is a pretty good question.....:scratchhead1

I am sure Mike will figure something out.

Andy

Ryan L.
Aug 7th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Well we actually didn't end up working on the boat's gel coat at all. Mike thought it would be a easy, DA only buff-out, but it took a Rotary with a wool pad and the most aggressive stuff for gel coat to even make a dent. After that it still would need a couple more passes. So Mike decided to tackle it on his own time and we had a good time working on some other cars.

Like always, I didn't take any pictures with my camera but many with Mikes. They probably wont be up until Monday, so look for them then.

Ryan

El Tano
Aug 10th, 2008, 04:14 PM
I'll be looking forward to see those pics...

Nappers
Aug 10th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Likewise! good to see those old boats getting some TLC!

Jokeman
Aug 12th, 2008, 06:52 AM
Nice Mike! I have a 1973 MFG that is orange just like that boat that I will be doing. It hasn't been polished since at least 1990!!!!

Mike Phillips
Aug 12th, 2008, 07:50 AM
The gel-coat on this boat seemed to be rock hard. Practicing what we preach here on the forum the first thing we did was a Test Spot with a DA Polisher and our new foam cutting pad with some M49 Oxidation Remover and it had no effect at all.

So next we tried a wool cutting pad with our M67 One Step Compound and a little improvement, not enough to continue, so next we tried M91 Power Cut Compound and after 3-5 minutes or so with a rotary buffer we got this...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/SilverlineMakeover004.jpg


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/SilverlineMakeover004c.jpg



So while the oxidation can be removed and the orange color restored, it's going to take a lot of work and a lot of time with a rotary buffer and an aggressive compound and that was out of the scope of what we were going to be able to do on a Thursday night "Open Garage" event.

So we moved the boat out and switched over to working on member's cars...

:)

Jokeman
Aug 12th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Mike, will you be doing an extreme makeover on the boat or is it too much to do?

El Tano
Aug 12th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Mike, will you be doing an extreme makeover on the boat or is it too much to do?

He'll do it...He ain't a quiter :doublethumbsup2 He will buff the heck out of that thing...Scottwax1
He has the knowledge a the tools to do it, but he may need some help....:chuckle1

Nappers
Aug 12th, 2008, 07:00 PM
He'll do it...He ain't a quiter :doublethumbsup2

True

Can't wait for more pix

Mike Phillips
Aug 12th, 2008, 07:54 PM
I'm off tomorrow and I'll tackle one half of the bow with some very aggressive product. First of course will be a test spot with this product and then follow-up compounding work followed by even more polishing and the waxing.

I have a Father/Son Campout coming up and the boat will be on Silverwood lake for 3 days straight getting punished by the sun and as many boys as we can take fishing, tubing and skiing.

If the finished half holds up then I'll do the rest of the boat, if it doesn't then we'll probably just enjoy the heck out of it for now.

:)

Superior Shine
Aug 13th, 2008, 03:50 PM
That isn't exactly the jet boat you wanted - :rofl:


How about sanding it down with 1500 then buffing it out. Would that work?

Mike Phillips
Aug 13th, 2008, 11:06 PM
That isn't exactly the jet boat you wanted - :rofl:


I was about an hour late on purchasing the Jet Boat, and just to note, I was going to take the boat to the landfill after removing the brand new built 454 Big Block Chevy engine out of it for use in a Drag boat in the furure... going to look for a Sanger V-Drive Bubble Deck Runner Bottom.

Here's the engine holder... it's an old Manta Ray Jet Boat, the hull and interior were shot but the engine was brand new. Found this boat for sale about 3 blocks from my house for $2000.00

Manta Ray Engine Donor
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/MantaRay000.jpg


The Basset Headers alone retail for $1000.00
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/MantaRay004.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/MantaRay007.jpg


After I missed out on the Jet Boat/Engine deal I went for the Starline because my son won't be able to drive a full race drag boat till he's a few years older as he wont' be able to run the gas pedal or the up and down cavatation plate pedals.

He can drive the Starline Deville. :xyxthumbs




How about sanding it down with 1500 then buffing it out. Would that work?


"Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

Probably sometime this winter, like November or December I'll sand down the gel-coat and then buff it out, didn't want to get that deep at this time, (no pun intended), so instead I used a very aggressive compound from our Mold Release Line, (MV81 Mold Compound), with a wool pad on a rotary buffer and chopped out the 32 year old oxidized gel-coat. This is not a product or a process most people should undertake on their boat unless all other options have failed and they have years of experience behind a rotary buffer. It helps to have years of experience working on gel-coats also...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/MV81b.jpg


Here's a good before shot that accurately shows the condition of the gel-coat before the extreme makeover. Note the gel-coat has the appearance and actually the feel of chalkboard chalk.

Before
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowBefore001.jpg


Process
Heavy Compounding with MV81 using a wool pad and a Rotary Buffer - 1500 RPM
Polish with M80 using a wool pad and a rotary buffer - 1500 RPM
Polish with M80 using a W-7006 with a DA Polisher - Speed Setting 6.0
Polishing with M07 with a W-8006 and a DA Polisher Speed Setting 5.0
Sealing with NXT Tech Wax 1.0 by hand using a terry cloth wax applicator pad and really working the wax well into the gel-coat


After
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowAfter001.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowAfter002.jpg


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowAfter004.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowAfter005.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/820/StarlineBowAfter006.jpg

And while we missed out on the race-ready big block Chevy engine for a future drag boat hull we did snag this 1986 Suburban with a fresh, albeit stock rebuilt 454 Big Block Chevy engine and Turbo 400 to replace the 350 Small Block Chevy currently residing in our 1975 Jimmy as it needs a little more umph for pulling a boat up hills and for the 35" Boggers waiting to be installed.

1986 Suburban Engine Donor
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/1986Suburban001.jpg

New Silent Tire Technology
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/JimmywithBoggers02.jpg


Long day... should have the rest of the gel-coat compounded, polished and waxed by the time the weekend's over...

:xyxthumbs

Nappers
Aug 13th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Looks great. :bigups

Nice on the burb for a motor for your Jimmy.

My ultimate dream for my '64 is a modern drivetrain (heck, frame engine all) underneath the body. I like the idea of a Duramax/Allison tranny combo underneath. 64DMAX would be a new license plate:D

Do you already have the 3/4 ton axles in it? That T400 would be a great addition as well, pretty much bullet proof!

Keep us up to date on that project too :D I love turning wrenches (well mostly).

Aaron

Mike Phillips
Aug 13th, 2008, 11:22 PM
this is probably a stupid question, but, how are you going to get to the areas on the boat behind the side pillars on the trailer?

In the past what I've done is to only load the boat partially onto the trailer, then secure it really well then pull it carefully out of the water and then worked on the sections not normally reachable when the boat is all the way on the trailer. You have to be very careful when you do this and you have to use good judgment on balance.

Another way is to cut the side guides off and then re-weld them on after the buff-out is finished.

With my last drag boat, I removed the engine and all running gear and then invited a half a dozen friends over and lifted the boat off the trailer and set it down on some Semi Truck Tires. After doing the sides, then turn the boat upside down on the tires and get the bottom. While the hull is off it's also a great time to replace the runners on the trailer and do any trailer maintenance.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/270SangerDragBoat.jpg


A lot of work but only had to do it a few times in the 20 years I owned the boat...


:)

Mike Phillips
Aug 13th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Do you already have the 3/4 ton axles in it?


The Jimmy has 3/4 Ton running gear out of a 1980 4x4 Suburban, Corporate 14 Bold Full Floater in the rear and Dana 44 up front, both with 4:11 gears.



That T400 would be a great addition as well, pretty much bullet proof!


Currently the Jimmy has a 700R4 mated to a NP208 Transfercase, in order to use the Turbo 400 transmission since it's a car/truck tranny, first it has to be the short shaft model plus you have to use a divorced transmission to transfercase set-up which is what I did with my 1971 Chevy 4x4

This is a little tougher set-up to do to a Jimmy or a Blazer because of the shorter wheel base, thus less room for the increased distance between the tranny and the transfercase, that's why I built a 3/4 ton long bed the first time around, more frame length thus more room to spread things out.


If you look closely you can see the transfercase sitting in the middle of the truck by itself, what you can't see is the baby driveline going from the back of the Turbo 400 to the transfercase, (divorced system). The transfercase by the way is a 2 Ton Transfercase out of a Korean War Troop Carrier. By using this set-up you can mount the transfercase lower between the frame rails which will help decrease the driveline angles to the front and rear axels which enables you to lift a truck higher without the driveline angles most guys run into when they use a mated system. The drop hitch to pull the drag boat was 4' tall and made out of 4" square stock with a 1/2 plate for ball mounting. Kind of on the heavy duty side of things...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/648/BigBlue001.jpg


Had the above truck for 12 years as a daily driver, it too had big block Chevy, first a 396 and then a 402, (don't ask), and 4:11 gears with Detroit Lockers front and rear. Did the chop top myself and had a local guy make a half-cab soft top. I-Beam bumpers and 4" tubing roll bar made out of driveline tubing. Ran through two sets of 44" Super Swampers on it before selling it. (A mistake).

Yeah... kind of like turning wrenches... (and buffing out cars)

:)

Nappers
Aug 14th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Currently the Jimmy has a 700R4 mated to a NP208 Transfercase, in order to use the Turbo 400 transmission since it's a car/truck tranny, first it has to be the short shaft model plus you have to use a divorced transmission to transfercase set-up which is what I did with my 1971 Chevy 4x4

I forgot totally about that, I knew there was a trick somewhere, been too long since I was really into it when I was younger. Now it's Penal Code's, Title 15 minimum jail standards, computers and getting better at cars.

WHEN I have the money I love it too. I need to get my '64 back on the road! Got a burned valve and got a new set of heads (the old ones been rebuilt a few times I think) just need to get them on, compression tested fine prior to removal of old heads. I think I'll pull the motor out and reseal it and check the bearings while I'm at it and maybe an oil pump...I miss driving her around!


By using this set-up you can mount the transfercase lower between the frame rails which will help decrease the driveline angles to the front and rear axels which enables you to lift a truck higher without the driveline angles most guys run into when they use a mated system.

I've seen some ridiculous set ups before, I knew one kid in high school that lifted his so high that he couldn't get a driveline in the front, he ended up trashing that truck.

I've sold a car or two when I wish I didn't. The main one was my parents '73 Olds cutlass, rocket 350, they drove it off of the show room floor (literaly, my dad is a freak) and I wish I kept it. It was nickel and diming me to death at the time and I needed cash so I sold it and they went and wrecked it into a ditch a few months later, broke my heart.

Anyways,

Have fun on the boat and your Jimmy. I may lift the hood on the old '64 and wack the wasps out of it and ponder.......

J. A. Michaels
Aug 14th, 2008, 02:02 AM
The boat looks great.

Jokeman
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Mike, nice job on the boat. I will have to remember the MV81 incase the powercut doesn't work on the 73 MFG.

Too bad you missed out on that jetboat. That motor alone looks like it was well worth the 2k. I assume the internal's were still good.

As far as putting a 454 in the blazer, good idea, big blocks are fun and can be built for cheap money. Those boggers ill be nice and silent for family trips too! Do you take that truck out to the hammers at all?

Mike Phillips
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:13 AM
Those boggers will be nice and silent for family trips too!


The top is off the Jimmy year around so there's no roof holding noise of any type inside the cab, thus tread design noise isn't an issue.



Do you take that truck out to the hammers at all?


Nope... pavement pounder only. Hammered the blue one for years at the Foster Mud Bog Races but it was built for that, at this time the Jimmy has a mated transmission and transfercase and in my opinion a horrible design for strength under extreme suspension travel. Going to look for a standalone transfercase in the future but even with that upgrade it's just a car guy's choice for a toy for weekends. Some car guys like 65 Mustangs, some guys like 57 Chevys, some guys like a brand new car whatever the emblem... it's what the car culture is all about here in America.

:)

TimG
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:23 AM
I get a warm fuzzy feeling when I see big engines on boats and big trucks with big mud boggers....:D

And Mike, great work on the boat.

:doublethumbsup2



Tim

Jokeman
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:27 AM
Nice, I love putting together motors, not to hi-jack your thread but here a a few pictures of my latest motor. Motor is a 6 liter LQ9 shortblock, 11:1 compression, edelbrock heads, arp studs, adjustable timing chain setup, comp cam, comp pushrods, 44lb injectors. Makes about 400rwhp in my 02 Silverado, helps with towing the boat and snowmobiles.
http://www.essexcountymotorsports.com/Truck/motorbuild/motor8.jpg

Complete:
http://www.essexcountymotorsports.com/Truck/motorbuild/motor19.jpg

Mike Phillips
Aug 14th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Wow! That's nice!

For now about the most the 454 is going to get is an aftermarket intake and RV style camshaft and some headers, the goal is to keep it simple, inexpensive but reliable while maximizing the available torque and horsepower. Will do a compression check after the engine comes out followed by a thorough cleaning and painting of both the engine and engine compartment.

Now back to the boat... need to finish the top of the sides and then the sides and the engine cover and back of boat... also have to polish-out the inside of the windshield this weekend.

:D

dietoremain
Aug 14th, 2008, 09:52 AM
Boat looks sweet mike keep it up. Cant wait to see the 454 in your truck. Its gonna destroyy :D