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Mike Phillips
Dec 19th, 2008, 01:57 PM
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Note: The below official position on this issue was taken from a post 16 by Mike Pennington on page 2 of the below thread in response to questions being brought op over using a wetting-agents with M105 Ultra Cut Compound.

M105 Tip - Page 2 (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28760&page=2)


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Meguiar's Official Position

Using a wetting-agent with M105 and M205 (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29247)

There has been some discussions regarding using a supplemental wetting agent to assist in the buffing process. We thought we would share our thoughts.

We know that optimum buffing results are achieved with the right amount of lubrication and when the paint surface/pad are kept clean using the right methods. We also know that ambient temperature and humidity play a role in the intended performance of all products.

We have observed the three main reasons someone might be inclined to use a supplemental wetting agent:



The Mfg recommends it as part of the process




The climate is working against desired or optimal polishing performance




The user prefers an adjusted buffing cycle



With that said, all of our formulations are designed and developed to perform best when used without any type of supplemental wetting agent. (supplemental wetting agent would be considered water or any other chemicals that are sprayed into the pad or onto the surface while buffing).

While we know people use water and other liquids to do this, we do not recommend or advocate this as a process for best results. Best results can most often be achieved without a supplemental wetting agent by applying our machine polishing products, as prescribed, in the directions which are on the product label.

We know there are other Mfg’s recommending supplemental wetting agents in their process, so if you try this technique to experiment, we would highly recommend only using M34 Final Inspection (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+FINAL+16) for the wetting agent.

M34 Final Inspection will have the least effect on our formulations from an overall performance stand point. M34 Final Inspection is our recommended product for priming new or dry buffing pads, thus our product development and pre-market testing supports this use.

M34 Final Inspection is validated as the most compatible with our machine polishing products, while water or other supplemental wetting agents have not been validated.

We hope this helps...

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Justin Murphy
Dec 19th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Thanks Mike.
And you answered my question regarding the technique with #205

wazid
Dec 31st, 2008, 01:21 AM
Hello!

I wonder if Final Inspection only will work as a lubrication and wetting agent when used with machine polishing products?
Or will it actually leave any residues on the paint.

I mean will there be any none volatile additives left om surface?
If so would this influence of the result in lasting or shine?

Regards

David

Mike Phillips
Dec 31st, 2008, 08:16 AM
Hello!

I wonder if Final Inspection only will work as a lubrication and wetting agent when used with machine polishing products?
Or will it actually leave any residues on the paint.

I mean will there be any none volatile additives left om surface?
If so would this influence of the result in lasting or shine?

Regards

David

Hi David,

Just to point out this part in the first post?



While we know people use water and other liquids to do this, we do not recommend or advocate this as a process for best results. Best results can most often be achieved without a supplemental wetting agent by applying our machine polishing products, as prescribed, in the directions which are on the product label.

We know there are other Mfg’s recommending supplemental wetting agents in their process, so if you try this technique to experiment, we would highly recommend only using M34 Final Inspection (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+FINAL+16) for the wetting agent.

M34 Final Inspection will have the least effect on our formulations from an overall performance stand point. M34 Final Inspection is our recommended product for priming new or dry buffing pads, thus our product development and pre-market testing supports this use.

M34 Final Inspection is validated as the most compatible with our machine polishing products, while water or other supplemental wetting agents have not been validated.



Not sure if you know this or not but M34 is our mist and wipe quick detailer in our body shop line, it's completely safe for fresh paint and for use in fresh paint environments. Out of all our mist and wipe quick detailers it's going to be the most suited chemically-wise for non-interference with any other aspect of anything you use it for.
(Purposefully worded that to make it as all-encompassing as possible not just in the realm of wetting-agents).

Besides that, don't make things more complicated that they have to be, which is something we all can get caught up into as serious online enthusiasts. If you're going to use a wetting agent, then at some time you actually do have to choose and use a wetting agent and in the above first post in this thread Meguiar's has made their official recommendation and that is M34 Final Inspection. Anyone that wants to start going outside of the recommendation is taking all the risk and/or adventure upon themselves. :)

M34 has been around for at least 30 years, the formula is updated whenever new technology that relates to and will improve the formula is available. Since it's safe for fresh paint and safe for fresh paint environments it is the product used for all our testing with our body shop line of paint care products.

M34 Final Inspection (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+FINAL+16) - 16 ounces
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M34 Final Inspection (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+FINAL+1) - 1 Gallon
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Hope this helps...

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