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angeloabbattista
Feb 12th, 2009, 06:12 AM
I came across this post n another forum and wondered where some people get their information from. This was originally asking for the difference between Quick Detailer and Final Inspection.
The final reply states they are one in the same as are ALL Mirror Glaze and Consumer products. Have a read and what are your thoughts on this....


They are both the same product.

They manufacture the cream bottle, and the maroon,red bottle. The problem is, when people had all the products in sequence with the original cream bottle, ie, the step process, (wash, prewax clean etc) some customers had trouble adapting, or changing to the other colour bottle, (the red) which was new style packaging under a new name. Following this, they found it easier to just continue with both products that are the same but assist in easy selection and identty for customers to follow the car detailing steps.

Sounds strange, but true.

Mikejl
Feb 12th, 2009, 06:21 AM
Please post a link to that other sites thread for this.

Thanks,
Mike

3Fitty
Feb 12th, 2009, 06:31 AM
I'm sure one of the Meg's guys will come in and answer this, but here is my bit of advice with regards to detailing forums and the Meguiars line...

You don't ask a Mechanic at Kia about problems with your Lexus, because although he might be a mechanic and understands certain automotive fundamentals, he probably doesn't know the nuance of a particular vehicle he has never worked on.

The same is true for Meg's products. I read stuff on other forums all the time, by puported "Meguiars experts" that have never worked for the company yet seem to "know everything there is to know" about the stuff.

I'm willing to bet there are certain scientific details about Meg's products that ONLY the Meg's "science dudes" fully understand.

My bet is you probably read this at a site where people see a benefit in 61 layers of wax and chilling their QD.

Mike Phillips
Feb 12th, 2009, 09:39 AM
:laughing People get confused all the time...

That's okay Meguiar's has a lot of products and one of the goals of this forum is to help clear up confusion and correct bad information.

Meguiar's has been in the business of making body shop safe products since the body shop was invented. We didn't start making Consumer products until 1973, this means we've been making products safe for use in body shops where fresh paint is sprayed and for use on brand new, fresh paint longer than we've been making products for use on cured paints.

M34 is body shop safe, it is formulated specifically to be safe to use in shops where panels are prepared for application of fresh paint. There are no ingredients in M34 that will cause any surface adhesion problems during the painting process. It's also safe for spraying onto fresh paint before 30 days cure time has passed. Besides these great features for the refinishing industry it also smells great too!

Quik Detailer is not a body shop safe product and not recommended for use in body shops or on fresh paint. It is famous around the world however as one of, if not the most popular and commonly used mist and wipe product by car lovers everywhere. It's been around since 1981, try to find a quick detailer that's been around longer and loved by more people.


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So they're both top shelf products in their category but they are two differently formulated products specific to to different markets.


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This topic comes up enough that there's at least one thread in our Hot Topics (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80) forum.

The below was posted Oct 26th, 2006, that's 3 years ago but we understand that there's still confusing information posted on other forums usually by people that mean well but perhaps have been told or read wrong information somewhere else.


What's the difference between Quik Detailer and M34? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16546)



It's also in our FAQ (http://www.meguiars.com/faq/)

1. What's the difference between Quik Detailer, (A-33) and Final Inspection, (M-34)? (http://www.meguiars.com/faq/index.cfm?faqCat=Product%20Questions&faqQuestionID=31&section=_31#_31)

Final Inspection is a body shop safe, paintable product.
Quik Detailer is not body shop safe and is not paintable.


The terms body shop safe, and paintable, are terms Meguiar's uses to describe products that do not contain any wax, silicones or other ingredients that will negatively affect surface adhesion in a fresh paint environment.

Final Inspection is specifically formulated for use in body shop environments.

Quik Detailer contains ingredients that could affect surface adhesion in a body shop environment and should not be used in these areas.

Both of these products are designed to maintain that "just detailed" look between washes. Both of these products are high lubricity mist and wipe gloss enhancers that are excellent for use as spray lubricants when claying. Both of these products are excellent for maintaining your car's finish in-between regular washing and waxing. The primary difference is small, very small. Final Inspection was formulated specifically for use in fresh paint environments.

Final Inspection is available in both 16oz spray bottles and 1 gallon containers. Final Inspection can be found at most PBE stores (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1504) and if the store in question does not stock the gallon size, they will be happy to order it for you and can usually have it in a day or two. We suggest you use our dealer locater search engine (http://www.meguiars.com/dealerlocator/) to find a store near you and then simply call ahead to insure they carry the 1-gallon container before driving to their store.

Quik Detailer is available in both 16 oz., 24 oz. spray bottles. Quik Detailer, a favorite among people who show and display their cars, can be found in just about any auto parts retail store. To find a store near you that carries Meguiar's Consumer line of products, use our dealer locater search engine.



Here's a few more, maybe someone can go post the link to this thread and all the below threads to bring this guy up to speed...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3011
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8155
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13938


Hope this helps to clear up any confusion...

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Mike Phillips
Feb 12th, 2009, 09:40 AM
Trigger Wash was introduced in 1981 and later the name was changed to Quik Detailer.

Trigger Wash (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28587)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/671/TriggerWash01.jpg




A3316 Quik Detailer (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+QUIK+16)
Meguiar's® Quik Detailer® has been an enthusiast favorite for years. Quik Detailer keeps a waxed car looking "just waxed". Clear coat safe, Meguiar's Quik Detailer removes harmful contaminants before they damage your finish. Use Quik Detailer right after your car is sprayed by a water sprinkler, hit by a bird dropping, or exposed to any other condition that ruins your "just waxed" appearance. The safe, high lubricity formula lifts off dirt and grime without scratching while enhancing gloss without build up. Details a full sized car in less than 15 minutes!

Customer Raves for Quik Detailer (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_raves.cfm?raveslist=A3316,A3332&ProdName=Quik%20Detailer)

http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/imagesEdp/p84692z.jpg

Mike Phillips
Feb 12th, 2009, 09:56 AM
M34 Final Inspection (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.asp?T1=MEG+FINAL+1)
Final Inspection® is a fast, mist-on, wipe-off detailer for a "Show Car Shine." Its high lubricity formula removes dust, fingerprints, light contaminants and is ideal to evaluate paint repairs, or to look for surface defects. Its paintable, body shop safe formula is the perfect product for use before customer delivery.

http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/imagesEdp/p84866z.jpg




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Bruclee
Mar 9th, 2009, 11:10 PM
Ohh, that clears some of it up. I know where to go for the Final Inspection in the larger size. I've gone to an autobody supplies shop in a near by city and the guys there are well informed on what they supply. The prices are reasonable and the quality is pretty much a guarentee.

Michael Stoops
Mar 10th, 2009, 08:07 AM
While the original post here specifically mentioned Quik Detailer and M34, it seems the person posting on the "other" forum referenced in the quote believes that ALL consumer and Mirror Glaze products are simply repackaging of similar products. That is simply not the case.

There are many, many more products in the Mirror Glaze line than there are in the Consumer line, especially when it comes to paint specific products, and even where there is a direct correlation between products (Cleaner Wax, for example) the products in the Mirror Glaze line are generally formulated in such a way that they can be applied by rotary buffer while the Consumer line products are not. A lot of people like to refer to M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 as "the pro version" of NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0. Use them both, get to know them both. They behave differently. Are there similarities between the two? Sure. But they are not identical products in two different bottles.

Further, there are several products in the Consumer line that have no direct correlation in the Mirror Glaze line. Consider our various tire dressings, interior care products (Natural Shine, Supreme Shine, Quik Interior Detailer, etc) and you just won't find an equivalent in the Mirror Glaze line.

Plus, the individual quoted mentions using products in steps. Yes, the consumer line has the Deep Crystal 3 Step System, but show me a direct correlation to this in the Mirror Glaze line. Yes, people often consider M04 Heavy Cut Cleaner, M01 Medium Cut Cleaner and M02 Fine Cut Cleaner to be a "3 Step Process" but it certainly isn't the same as the three steps in the Deep Crystal System (paint cleaner, pure polish, wax). While you could substitute M02 Fine Cut Cleaner, M07 Show Car Glaze and M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax for the Deep Crystal System, the products are certainly not identical. Heck, you could substitute ScratchX 2.0, M81 Hand Polish and Gold Class Wax for the three steps if you wanted to. Many ways to skin this cat and we could spend all day playing with product combinations.

For someone to close a post by saying "Following this, they found it easier to just continue with both products that are the same but assist in easy selection and identty for customers to follow the car detailing steps. Sounds strange, but true." only serves to prove that this person has a very limited knowledge of our product line. And yet, unfortunately, in some circles his word will indeed be taken as true.

To be named later
Mar 10th, 2009, 02:34 PM
I understand that Final Inspection is designed for body shops and new paint and such, and that the formulation is somewhat different different.

But if I have the option of using either, would one give me a noticeably better result on my car? What if I am using Ultimate Detailer, would I see a difference between that and the Final Inspection?

I don't care what the cost is, I don't care if I may have to go a little out of my way to get my hands on it, I don't care if I have to buy a jumbo size instead of a more friendly consumer sized product, I just want what will give the optimum result.
And that is what is sometimes confusing about the Meguiars product line, in the 5 step process there may be numerous options for each step in the consumer line, and the same for the professional line, and it can be hard to rank among them what is better, or nearly the same.

Murr1525
Mar 10th, 2009, 03:11 PM
But if I have the option of using either, would one give me a noticeably better result on my car? What if I am using Ultimate Detailer, would I see a difference between that and the Final Inspection?

Lots of options can be good and bad. But at least as you learn the options, it ends up that you can take care of most situations. Or at least know how a person should, if you arent going to use a rotary buffer yourself.

As fas as comparing products, bringing in the Ultimate Detailer changes everything again. In most cases, I believe it would leave the nicest finish on the car, and it does leave an actual polymer coating on the surface to help with water run-off, etc. However it cant be used for claying, so you would still need one of the other quick detailing products around for that.