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Mosca
Mar 16th, 2004, 08:13 AM
OK, this I think is a good question.

I consider that there are 3 types of Meg's final products:

1) Pure waxes (no cleaners): DC Step 3, #16 and #26.

2) Waxes with cleaning action: NXT, #20, Medallion, and Gold Class.

3) The true "cleaner waxes": DC Cleaner Wax, ColorX, and #6 (with a nod towards #66 Quick Detailer and #80 Speed Glaze, #66 not really applicable for the home user and #80 not generally considered when looking at a "cleaner/wax").


So my question is, why would a user choose A1216 over ColorX, or ColorX over #6, or #6 over either of the other two? Which offers better cleaning, which offers better protection? Which looks best?

And, my experience is that the products from group 2 above vary in their cleaning ability, with Medallion as the strongest, then #20, GC, and NXT. With Medallion being almost as strong a cleaner as the cleaner waxes, where is its place in Meguiar's future? (I bought an extra bottle of it, just in case it's discontinued.)


Tom

Bri9801
Mar 16th, 2004, 09:02 AM
II've used #6 on my fathers and wife's cars at one point or another. They we're both impressed with the outcome.

It's the only "cleaner" type wax I have used but I think it does a nice job and is pretty good for a one step process

Mike Phillips
Mar 16th, 2004, 09:17 AM
Hi Tom,

I would divide them even further,

Pure waxes
#16 Professional Paste Wax, Deep Crystal Step 3, and #26 Hi Tech Yellow

Polish Waxes
Gold Class, Medallion Premium Paint Protectant and Flagship Premium Wax

New Technology Waxes
NXT Tech Wax - Contains a sleight cleaning ability, I wouldn’t really call it a cleaner wax because not only is it not formulated to address a wide variety of surface defects and degradation, but it actually doesn’t work very well as a cleaner/wax. Best results come from applying to a pre-cleaned, and pre-polished surface, or a new or like new finish.

Light Cleaner/Waxes
Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax (A-1216) and #20 Polymer Sealant

Medium Cleaner/Waxes
#6 Cleaner Wax and Cleaner Wax in the Detailer Line (D-53)

Aggressive Cleaner/Waxes
ColorX and M-66 Quick Detailer

How does that look?

Mike

Mosca
Mar 16th, 2004, 09:26 AM
Well, you threw me a little bit with that #6316, but I caught on quickly enough. When they're laid out like that, it makes more sense. Thanks!

I like a cleaner-wax because I don't think it makes sense to break out all the products and machines every time a few wash-swirls show up. For the way I like to work, doing a couple cleaner waxings keeps the car looking good.


Tom

rusty bumper
Mar 16th, 2004, 12:34 PM
Flagship Premium Wax?

I don't seem to remember that one.

Mike Phillips
Mar 16th, 2004, 12:42 PM
Flagship is in the Marine Line

http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_list.cfm?store=meg&line=marine&catagory=1&subcatagory=4

Mike

rusty bumper
Mar 16th, 2004, 12:45 PM
Thanks!

TCMach
Mar 16th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Mike,

Can you suggest the best combo of products to use for the new car I just bought...it has what's called a Dark Shadow Grey paint and being new, paint is in excellent condition. Would like to keep this car looking showroom new, so ready to go through the steps of wash, clay, wash, polish and wax....then wax and routine upkeep.

The question that started this thread is good...as a novice here, the numbers of products within a brand name is a little intimidating, let alone all the other products outside the brand.

Would like to start with "single-source shopping"...for at least the first year...what are the appropriate Mequiar products for a fairly dark grey car that has paint in great shape?

Thanks -- TC

mopar
Mar 16th, 2004, 01:37 PM
gold class and nxt would be my choice.
gold class is a good price and you can find it just about anywhere.and nxt is awsome .and both are a snap to use

Mike Phillips
Mar 16th, 2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by TCMach
Mike,

Can you suggest the best combo of products to use for the new car I just bought...it has what's called a Dark Shadow Grey paint and being new, paint is in excellent condition. Would like to keep this car looking showroom new, so ready to go through the steps of wash, clay, wash, polish and wax....then wax and routine upkeep.

The question that started this thread is good...as a novice here, the numbers of products within a brand name is a little intimidating, let alone all the other products outside the brand.

Would like to start with "single-source shopping"...for at least the first year...what are the appropriate Mequiar products for a fairly dark grey car that has paint in great shape?

Thanks -- TC

Hi TCMach,

Welcome to Meguiar’s Online Discussion Forum!

Your question is a good one. To be honest, when your starting out with a new car, just about any product if used often should give you good results, the trick is to find a product you like and use it often.

That said, Meguiar’s is happy you would trust your car’s finish with our premium quality products. If I had your car right now, and wanted to create a one-stop shopping list to maintain it, here is what would be on my list.

Quik Clay System – Even though your car is brand new, you might as well insure that there are not microscopic bonded contaminants. Just recently, I detailed a 1999 Corvette that was recently detailed by another detailer. (Inside of a two week time period). I clayed the car anyway for the reason I stated above, to insure no bonded contaminants, and even though I only removed a few, I did remove some. Anytime you finish has bonded contaminants it is going to diminish the gloss. So, you might as well start out with claying the car.

Either NXT Car Wash, or Gold Class Car Wash - Either of these two washes will clean your car, (remove loose surface dirt), without dulling, or drying out your cars finish and other exterior components. Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo and Conditioner is still Meguiar’s highest lubricating wash. This car was provides the maximum lubricity to improve slickness while washing. NXT Car Wash is unique in that it contains a special ingredient that sequesters and encapsulates minerals helping to prevent them from leaving behind mineral deposits on the finish.

NXT Tech Wax – This was an easy one for me. This is without a doubt my favorite paint protection product of all Meguiar’s products and everything else I have ever tested, or used. Because your car’s finish is new, and also a medium dark color, you will love the way your car looks after applying and then removing this wax. Is it also a metallic? If so, you will find the metallic will *Pop* with this wax. The reason it does this because the Tech Wax leaves a perfectly clear finish. It restores the clarity to clear coats enabling your eyes to see the beautiful color and metallic flakes under the clear.

For interior vinyl, you really should try the Tech Protectant. It conditions and protects without leaving any greasy, oil residue.

For tire care, I like the ease of use of the Hot Shine Aerosol Tire Spray, it’s just like using a can of spray paint and it easily gets into all of the nooks and crannies of the lettering and design of your tires. Besides that one, I like how long Gold Class Endurance looks. Another favorite is #40 Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner. #40 leaves a nice, dark black matte finish and is versatile in that you can use it on so many other components and between any other car you may have. THen there's #38 Tire and Trim Dressing, in the Professional Line. Any of the above works really well and lasts a long time.

Quik Detailer is a no-brainer for maintaining that just detailed look in-between regular washings, plus handy to keep in the trunk in case a bird targets your finish for attack. There is a bottle of Quick Detailer in the Quik Clay System, but quick detailers are high use products and you can never have too much Quik Detailer around. Keep some in the car and some in the garage.

The above is a good start, you should also add a half dozen or so premium microfiber polishing cloths as well as some extra foam applicators pads for applying waxes, polishes, dressings, etc.

If you really want to insure your reducing the potential to instill scratches, I’m a big fan of the Grit Guard. I’m always amazed at how much dirt and abrasive particles are sitting on the bottom of the bucket when I use this plastic screen while washing.

That should get your started, I’m sure others will chime in with their opinions and suggestions…

Mike

ftboomer
Mar 16th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Great write up Mike, Thanks. To go one step further, where can I find a list of what all the #'s are. I see people throw around things like "I use #6 followed by # 20 and #1623." What does all this mean and where can I find a list of the products and thier real names.

TCMach
Mar 16th, 2004, 04:51 PM
Thanks Mike,

Appreciate the easy to follow info! And my paint is a metallic. Do I need to prep with polish prior to wax...and I'm a "by hand" type for now.

I don't really have any flaws in the paint, yet,...however, once I start getting to work on it I'm sure I'll find something. I want to make sure I start on the right foot from the get-go.

Thanks again -- TC

Mr. T
Mar 16th, 2004, 07:55 PM
ftboomer

The numbers thrown around refer to products in the meguiars pro line.

Pro line web page (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/index_pro.cfm)

rusty bumper
Mar 16th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Mike Phillips

NXT Tech Wax – This was an easy one for me. This is without a doubt my favorite paint protection product of all Meguiar’s products and everything else I have ever tested, or used. Because your car’s finish is new, and also a medium dark color, you will love the way your car looks after applying and then removing this wax. Is it also a metallic? If so, you will find the metallic will *Pop* with this wax. The reason it does this because the Tech Wax leaves a perfectly clear finish. It restores the clarity to clear coats enabling your eyes to see the beautiful color and metallic flakes under the clear.

That should get your started, I’m sure others will chime in with their opinions and suggestions…

Mike

I can attest to the metallic look...I applied it by hand to an unprepped hood with metallic paint and after it cured a few hours, you could see the flakes shining...Imagine what it would look like on a prepped finnish.

Slats
Mar 17th, 2004, 08:04 AM
TCmach,

Polish works best on darker surfaces like yours. It is designed to deepen the color and give that "wet look" to the paint. However, since your car is new I doubt you'd see any difference so it is probably unnessesary to polish.

Also, I highly recommend using Endurance to protect your tires. The sprays are good, but they tend to sling off whereas gels applied with an applicator work best. Also, on darker colors the spray shines really show up if you get some on the paint. I guess that's my theory anyway...

Slats:D

mopar
Mar 17th, 2004, 01:20 PM
endurance rocks.sprya are ok if you are in a hurry.you could also spray the tire shine onto an pllicator and then apply it ;et it set up and then lightly buff it that should take care of the slinging

TCMach
Mar 17th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Slats,

Is DC Sys Polish a good starter polish? I'm pretty new to the detailing world...always been a off-shelf wax type, but want to keep this auto pristine. So really want to make sure I do what ever the normal prep is prior to the wax.

Mike gave me a good start and will go that route...but didn't see any mention of a polish. I'm also confused on the diff between polish, glaze, and cleaners...depending on where you do research, they sound really close to the same thing...?

Thanks for the info -- TC

Slats
Mar 17th, 2004, 05:26 PM
It's very confusing to see all the names of different polishes, waxes, and cleaners. I get confused. Mike's post really outlined the different products well, so I will reffer to that. Basically what I've learned (I think other here would agree) is that the more steps you take, generally you will get better results. For example Meguiar's one step Cleaner/Wax is a great product but won't acheive the results the three step DC system will. I've learned from experience not to skip steps. I always clay before waxing and if I had a darker vehicle I would probably polish as well. To answer your question, I think DC #2 Polish is probably a great product to get started with. It is in the consumer line and designed to be applied by hand. However, Meg's make other good polishes as well. Also glaze and polish are used interchangably -- same thing. Cleaners generally only clean and provide no protection (such as DC #1). Polishes are mearly meant to deepen color and gloss. The most important part is the protective wax, but it's important to properly prep the surface before waxing. Hope this helps and good luck detailing your new car! ;)

Slats

Mosca
Mar 17th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by TCMach
I'm also confused on the diff between polish, glaze, and cleaners...?
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Hehe.

There is no standardization of those terms. What one mfr calls "polish", another will call "glaze"; what one mfr calls "cleaner", another will call "polish". And then another manufacturer will refer to "sealant/glaze"! WTH is THAT?

Inside Meguiar's line, It's cleaners, polishes, glazes, and waxes. Cleaners do the heavy work, polishes do the light work, glazes beautify, and waxes protect.

The DC Step 2 is actually a nice glaze, as good in its own way as the professional glazes. There are no noticeable concessions made appearance wise, and it's much easier to use than a product like #7.

Think of the products as liquid tools, and then you can start to understand. All wrenches look alike to a casual observer, but you need a Whitworth set to work on an old BSA. Same with the liquids. Cleaner waxes have their place, even for the dedicated perfectionist. sometimes the car won't NEED what a 3-step can deliver, but WILL need more than another coat of protection!


Tom

rusty bumper
Mar 17th, 2004, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by TCMach
Slats,

Is DC Sys Polish a good starter polish? I'm pretty new to the detailing world...always been a off-shelf wax type, but want to keep this auto pristine. So really want to make sure I do what ever the normal prep is prior to the wax.

Thanks for the info -- TC

Deep Crystal Polish is more suited for dark, clear coat finishes...But it can be used on light colored or single stage paints too.

TCMach
Mar 18th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Thanks for the replies...So you guys would suggest for starting with a new auto Mike's steps plus possibly a polish?

1) Wash
2) Clay
3) Wash
4) Polish w/#1
5) NXT Wax, coats as desired w/12-24 hrs between coats

Glaze #2 maybe not required?

Wheels and Rims per Mike's instructions.

Again, thanks for the help.

TC

rusty bumper
Mar 18th, 2004, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by TCMach
Thanks for the replies...So you guys would suggest for starting with a new auto Mike's steps plus possibly a polish?

1) Wash
2) Clay
3) Wash
4) Polish w/#1
5) NXT Wax, coats as desired w/12-24 hrs between coats

Glaze #2 maybe not required?

Wheels and Rims per Mike's instructions.

Again, thanks for the help.

TC


If it was my car, I would probably use DC #2 polish...At least on the horizontal surfaces.

Horizontal areas catch the most sun, and are most subject to the paint drying out 1st. According to Meguiars, their polishes nourish the paint...Like the way lotion nourishes our skin.

Slats
Mar 20th, 2004, 07:46 AM
Here are the basic steps I'd reccomend:

1) Wash wheels, tires, wheel-wells
2) Clean engine if needed
3) Wash car and dry
4) Clay
5) Polish with DC #2
6) Apply 1 thin coat of quality wax
7) Detail trim and shine tires

Note: No need to wash again after claying. If any residue exists, just use Quick Detailer and a clean towel and wipe the car down.

Also, I highly recommend Endurance tire gel and Trim Detailer as finishing touches.

And remember, no need to apply multiple coats of wax, as it can build up if you use to many. One thin coat will suffice -- any more than that will just need to be buffed off and will be wasted. However, you can rub in as much polish as you'd like.

Hope this helps ya!

Slats

mopar
Mar 20th, 2004, 08:48 PM
nobody should be without the endurance tire gel .but dont you think it would be better to apply 2 thin coats 12 to 24 hours apart that way you can be shure that you have even coverage and havnt missed any spots .i would apply it right after each other yuo gotta let it cure.