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Mike Pennington
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:45 AM
Pictures & Comments for Advanced Class #5


The last thread on this topic was accidentally deleted...

Sorry...

So we started a new one !!

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Thanks to all who attended !!!

Everyone had great questions, and really jumped into the hands-on portion.

Just remember, respect the machine and practice makes perfect.

Thanks again for another fun Saturday @ Meguiar's !

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TerryAdams
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:43 AM
The class was outstanding! You can tell Mr. Pennington and Mr. Stoops LOVE their jobs. :woot2


The "Trial" (vinyl??) 3M tape we were able to use was fantastic. Please let the forum know when it's available to the public. I for one will buying a lot of it. Going around curves was SOOOOO easy with this stuff! :dp:




Once again, thank you Meguiar's for hosting a very informative class!

Steward
Mar 23rd, 2009, 01:55 PM
Awesome class!!:dp: Got to give thanks too Mike P. and Mike S. for giving us the opportunity to learn and experiences how to use the rotaryScottwax2 and wetsand.:D I learn great information for later experience. Thanks again.

Also thanks for the coffee and doughnuts and pizza it was good.:xyxthumbs
-Steward.

RicksLT4
Mar 23rd, 2009, 04:55 PM
thanks again for a great class! I learned a lot about the advanced aspects of detailing but Mike and Mike you make it look easy!! I really want to thank Meguiar's for the great products and the fantastic support you give us!!

Thanks!!!!!

Megafast13
Mar 23rd, 2009, 06:22 PM
Hey, Mike Phillips, How come you recommend that it's not safe to wetsand factory paint, but you guys wetsand regular cars at the classes?!? Just wondering...

Ryan L.
Mar 23rd, 2009, 09:05 PM
Hey, Mike Phillips, How come you recommend that it's not safe to wetsand factory paint, but you guys wetsand regular cars at the classes?!? Just wondering...

Cause its a rental that will be put out of service in a year or so. Also we didn't sand it flat, just a little bit to get used to sanding.

"Not safe" doesn't mean you cant do it, just that it's "not safe" or recommended because your removing some of that UV protection that the CC offers.

Ryan

Mike Pennington
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:54 AM
Hey, Mike Phillips, How come you recommend that it's not safe to wetsand factory paint, but you guys wetsand regular cars at the classes?!? Just wondering...

Good questions, and Ryan nailed it. We use rentals for several reasons.

1) They are always in bad shape
2) It is more realistic to work on cars than flat panels due to the curves and contours a real car offers.
3) We limit how much sanding is done and with what grit we allow class members to use. We only remove .2 - .4 mils which is well within the specs of OEM factory repair.

Most people, if not all, when asking if you can "sand" factory paint are asking about removing orange peel. In order to do that, you would be removing way to much material and get into a situation where there is not enough clear left behind. Not to mention the high possibility of burning through...

We spend time in the class talking through this entire concept.

Hope this helps !

Mike

Presidential_Detail
Mar 24th, 2009, 06:58 AM
I hope I can fly over sometime for the next one, I am in FL but I want an advanced class now after going to Mike Phillips class at AG!

VoicesInMyHead
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Although it was a long drive from the Phoenix area, and had a close call with a semi in the fog on 60 - it was well worth the drive over!
:hotrod2
Thanks to M&M for all their knowledge and experience, and the fact they share it with us!
:worship

-The Voices

termigator69
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Good questions, and Ryan nailed it. We use rentals for several reasons.

1) They are always in bad shape
2) It is more realistic to work on cars than flat panels due to the curves and contours a real car offers.
3) We limit how much sanding is done and with what grit we allow class members to use. We only remove .2 - .4 mils which is well within the specs of OEM factory repair.

Most people, if not all, when asking if you can "sand" factory paint are asking about removing orange peel. In order to do that, you would be removing way to much material and get into a situation where there is not enough clear left behind. Not to mention the high possibility of burning through...

We spend time in the class talking through this entire concept.

Hope this helps !

Mike

Does the rule of not wetsanding factory paints apply to single stage paints also?

Mike Pennington
Mar 25th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Does the rule of not wetsanding factory paints apply to single stage paints also?

On vehicles with factory paint you are still dealing with approximately the same topcoat thickness even with a single stage style of coating.

So it is a good rule of thumb to follow the same general rules....

Mike

Just a reminder: When we say it is not a good idea to sand, we are saying it is not a good idea to sand for the purposes of removing orange peel....However, sanding with the appropriate grit in order to remove an isolated defect would be ok regardless of finish on a factory car as long as you are monitoring the amount of material you are removing.

ClearlyCoated
Mar 25th, 2009, 07:39 AM
3) We limit how much sanding is done and with what grit we allow class members to use. We only remove .2 - .4 mils which is well within the specs of OEM factory repair.Even did the before and after with the QuaNix meter. Only removed about .2 mil overall if I remember correctly.

Michael Stoops
Mar 26th, 2009, 07:28 AM
Hold on tight, there's a ton of pictures in this post!!!



This is what we started with - :shocked1
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Mike Pennington added a little more to the existing mess.....
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A little wet sanding by hand........
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Wet sanding by hand the right way.....
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.....and the wrong way.
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Wet sanding with a D/A.....
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Very nice!!
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Cleaning the wool pad.......
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How to pick up a bead of product.....
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Pulling out sanding marks......
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Oh come on, he didn't actually miss a spot, did he???
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Ah... no. :D Mike's a bit picky, eh?
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And then we turned everybody loose on the rental car!!
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