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Mike Phillips
May 15th, 2009, 11:01 AM
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Pictures & Comments for Advanced Class #6 (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33359)

Here's our training car, it's a completely swirled-out black 2008 Dodge Avenger Rental Car.

We expect our students will turn this swirled-out mess into a glisten black ruby...

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And there might be a bird dropping etching under the bird dropping that will lend itself well to a new how-to article.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/2BirdDroppingRemoval001.jpg


Scottwax2

emrliquidlife
May 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM
I didn't have my camera with me, but I can tell you that we rocked that car.

Can't wait to see the pics everyone puts up.

Ed

Mike Phillips
May 16th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Another stellar group of forum members attended our Advanced Class today and learned how to wet-sand by hand and machine and then learned how to use the rotary buffer to remove all their sanding marks and restore a clear, high gloss finish.

Well done everyone! :woot2

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More pics on Monday...


:xyxthumbs

SRT84JM
May 16th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Another great class, Mike.
You do a tremendous job.
Do you or others have any ideas about how to have young teens get involved?
Just Detail 101 could have so many caring for their paint care.

HealthyCivic
May 17th, 2009, 08:37 AM
Thanks a lot for the great class Mike. Even though I've read a lot on the forums and been up there twice before, I learned much more and got some great practical experience with wetsanding and the rotary buffer. Just as you said, the purpose for the class was not for us to master anything but it did raise my comfort level which is the best I can ask for. As I wrote before, the fact that Meguiar's educates people, lets them use their products, feeds them, and provides extra stuff like a certificate, drinks, a notepad, etc... ALL for FREE is amazing and unheard of. It really does say a lot about the company and how you guys care about the customers' experience. After realizing this, I'm a lifetime Meguiar's user no questions asked.

Whenever I tell anyone about it, they have a hard time believing me, no joke. They say things like "you have to give them your credit card while you're there right?" and "They must hassle you to buy their products right?" WRONG. But I DO buy the products and I will continue to buy the products because I know that Meguiar's is a good legitimate business that produces quality products and cares about the consumers. By doing things like this, Meguiar's also benefits because of the happy customers who tell others. I'm probably not going to tell many people about or be very loyal to a company that just makes good products. As soon as another company comes along with as good of a product, I'll just switch over and that's that. But Meguiar's stands out from the crowd in a good way so I'm constantly spreading the word and will continue to in the far future.

As far as Mike Phillips, we already know he's the man. He did a great job teaching the class. He was very thorough, he did not rush, he explained the purpose of the clinic, and was extremely informative. The class would not be the same without him! And I still have yet to find a forum with a guy who has made 28,000 posts of good, helpful, informative content rather than having every other post say "use the search feature."

I rest my case. Thank you.

ARTHUR
May 17th, 2009, 07:52 PM
What a great instructor! Meguiar's is lucky to have you. It was another great experience of training. It inspires me more. I'm proud of promoting Meguiar's in one of the city in the philippines. Kar ko! Auto spa is using Meguiars products too. Thank you very much. God bless you and meguiar's.

Desertdawg
May 17th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Bird dropping??? You guys still have a condor flying around? That's one huge bird ****!

Looks like a fun class.

TimG
May 17th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Looked like whole day of fun. :xyxthumbs:xyxthumbs

By the way, Mike - any particular reason(s) your class using the Quanix over other brands, say Defelsko?

Tim

Mike Pennington
May 18th, 2009, 06:27 AM
By the way, Mike - any particular reason(s) your class using the Quanix over other brands, say Defelsko?

Tim

Not really...we just happen to use those :D

gmc1500
May 18th, 2009, 09:22 AM
Mike Thanks for the great class on Saturday. I have always been scared of wet sanding but I learned so much in your class that I am now confident enough to try it out. I had a great time. Thanks so much for all your help!!!!

Mike Phillips
May 18th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Getting ready to add some more pictures, in the process I found the sunburst shot my camera picked up randomly. One of the forum member's brought their brand new 2009 Camaro so here's a few shots of it...

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And the sunburst shot...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/2009CamaroSparkleShot.jpg

Mike Phillips
May 18th, 2009, 04:00 PM
Here's some more pictures from the class to give you an idea of what we do in these classes...

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After hand-sanding and machine-sanding, we moved on to the rotary buffer.

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Tuck91
May 18th, 2009, 05:04 PM
What did you guys end up doing to the Camaro?

Was it in bad shape?

HealthyCivic
May 18th, 2009, 06:52 PM
What did you guys end up doing to the Camaro?

Was it in bad shape?

Nah it only had a couple little tracer "swirls." I don't know if they did anything after I left at the end but it was already in good shape!

ColonelCash
May 18th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Curious how the air powered DA differs from the Porter Cable DA? Couldn't you use similar sanding pads on a G100 for the same effect? It was my understanding that the DA is a sander in its native form.

Opinions welcomed. Just something I have been thinking about recently.

Desertdawg
May 18th, 2009, 10:06 PM
[IMG]
Here's our training car, it's a completely swirled-out black 2008 Dodge Avenger Rental Car.


Just think, today there is a lot jokey somewhere wiping that Avenger down with a sand coated grease towel... All that work down the drain!!!

Mike Pennington
May 19th, 2009, 06:23 AM
Curious how the air powered DA differs from the Porter Cable DA? Couldn't you use similar sanding pads on a G100 for the same effect? It was my understanding that the DA is a sander in its native form.

Opinions welcomed. Just something I have been thinking about recently.

You are correct in saying the air powered DA sander was the beginning of the DA polisher as we know it. Back in the 80"s we developed a foam pad that spun directly onto an air powered DA sander and created an air powered DA polisher. Keep in mind,this was well before any type of electric DA sanders/polishers. That pad was called a W-6000, and as they say, the rest is history :D

Now for your question....A sander designed for finishing on automotive paint, like the one in the pictures, has a smaller orbit size. The G110 has a orbit size of 5/16", where as a finishing sander typically has a 3/16" or 3/32".

With that said, the orbit size on the G110 is just too big to do any "proper" finishing sanding. However,since the G110 orbit size is bigger,that is what helps contribute to swirl removal....

Hope that helps :xyxthumbs

ColonelCash
May 19th, 2009, 06:53 AM
You are correct in saying the air powered DA sander was the beginning of the DA polisher as we know it. Back in the 80"s we developed a foam pad that spun directly onto an air powered DA sander and created an air powered DA polisher. Keep in mind,this was well before any type of electric DA sanders/polishers. That pad was called a W-6000, and as they say, the rest is history :D

Now for your question....A sander designed for finishing on automotive paint, like the one in the pictures, has a smaller orbit size. The G110 has a orbit size of 5/16", where as a finishing sander typically has a 3/16" or 3/32".

With that said, the orbit size on the G110 is just too big to do any "proper" finishing sanding. However,since the G110 orbit size is bigger,that is what helps contribute to swirl removal....

Hope that helps :xyxthumbs

Thanks Mike, that does help. Something I have been pondering for a while now.

:xyxthumbs

MrCLRider
May 19th, 2009, 07:03 AM
that looked like a whole lot of wet sanding..what were the paint readings after all of that?

What grit was being used?

RaskyR1
May 19th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Thanks a lot for the great class Mike. Even though I've read a lot on the forums and been up there twice before, I learned much more and got some great practical experience with wetsanding and the rotary buffer. Just as you said, the purpose for the class was not for us to master anything but it did raise my comfort level which is the best I can ask for. As I wrote before, the fact that Meguiar's educates people, lets them use their products, feeds them, and provides extra stuff like a certificate, drinks, a notepad, etc... ALL for FREE is amazing and unheard of. It really does say a lot about the company and how you guys care about the customers' experience. After realizing this, I'm a lifetime Meguiar's user no questions asked.

Whenever I tell anyone about it, they have a hard time believing me, no joke. They say things like "you have to give them your credit card while you're there right?" and "They must hassle you to buy their products right?" WRONG. But I DO buy the products and I will continue to buy the products because I know that Meguiar's is a good legitimate business that produces quality products and cares about the consumers. By doing things like this, Meguiar's also benefits because of the happy customers who tell others. I'm probably not going to tell many people about or be very loyal to a company that just makes good products. As soon as another company comes along with as good of a product, I'll just switch over and that's that. But Meguiar's stands out from the crowd in a good way so I'm constantly spreading the word and will continue to in the far future.

As far as Mike Phillips, we already know he's the man. He did a great job teaching the class. He was very thorough, he did not rush, he explained the purpose of the clinic, and was extremely informative. The class would not be the same without him! And I still have yet to find a forum with a guy who has made 28,000 posts of good, helpful, informative content rather than having every other post say "use the search feature."

I rest my case. Thank you.

:xyxthumbs

Mike Phillips
May 19th, 2009, 08:33 AM
that looked like a whole lot of wet sanding..what were the paint readings after all of that?

What grit was being used?

For what it's worth, teaching a class is a lot of work and sometimes you leave something out or forget something or just plain flat run out of time. Such was the case for this class; we took paint thickness readings before we started on the trunk lid, but we forgot to take the after readings.

This was all my fault.

I'm going to put some pictures up and was going to leave out the shots of the readings on the Paint Thickness Gauge because they're meaningless without the after readings and then hope that no one brought it up and now you go and ruin that plan. :)


The good news is at the end of the day we never broke through the clear layer and since this was a rental car all is well.

We did most of the first sanding passes with #1500 and then followed this with #3000 and #4000 using mostly the 3M Trizact System but also we did some finish sanding with the high grit #4000 Abralon.

End results were a flawless, swirl-free and Tracer-free and Pigtail-free finish.

We also inspected to make sure 100% of all of our sanding marks were removed, we didn't just make the surface shiny.

Hoping to get to the pictures soon as the forum is caught up...


:)

MrCLRider
May 19th, 2009, 08:36 AM
thats cool...just scares me to see a bunch of noobs wetsanding..I remeber being there before..so easy to rub too hard..

Mike Pennington
May 19th, 2009, 08:39 AM
One of the topics we try to instill at these classes is just that.... Advanced paint correction is "easy to do" but "difficult to master".

As you know, we really emphasis the opportunities, as well as, challenges associated with sanding & rotary work.

:xyxthumbs

MrCLRider
May 19th, 2009, 09:00 AM
Mike Pennington, why do you have no rep power?? I just noticed that..is it a status the administrator put you under?

Mike Phillips
May 19th, 2009, 09:08 AM
Mike Pennington, why do you have no rep power?? I just noticed that..is it a status the administrator put you under?

Mike is an Admin as am I, we looked into this in his account settings and couldn't see what the problems were?

I just tested his Rep Power by adding to it for his great answer above and it went from 0 to 43

:dunno

Mike Phillips
Jun 12th, 2009, 12:00 PM
Here's a few after shots brought to you by the students of Advanced Class #6


These shots were taken around noon with the sun directly overhead, so overhead in fact I couldn't squeeze the sun into this first picture but if you look at the very top of the picture you can see sun rays as the sun was just outside of my camera lens ability to include it in the frame. Point being... full-on sun for these after shots...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/AdvancedClass6Aftershots000.jpg


Our students removed all the orange peel by wet-sanding the paint flat and then successfully removed all their sanding marks and then restored a swirl-free, show car finish. (On a rental car :D )


In this reflection shot, note how clear and distinct the corner roof line reflection is in the hood of the car.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/AdvancedClass6Aftershots001.jpg


Same thing here, the reflected image is clear and distinct, no orange-peel effect.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/AdvancedClass6Aftershots002.jpg


Compare these after shots to the before shots on the first page (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33359) of this thread.

Before Shot
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After shots
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This is a full size shot of the sun beating down on the hood, note how clear and distinct it appears.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/AdvancedClass6Aftershots007.jpg


This is a cropped out section 800 pixels wide of the same spot out of the original picture which was 2,816 x 1880
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1150/AdvancedClass6Aftershots007c.jpg


Again, thank you to all the students that complete our Advanced Class #6

:)

Zuke
Jun 12th, 2009, 12:03 PM
I like this one!

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