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foilr
Jun 1st, 2009, 08:48 PM
I am relatively new to this particular forum, but as a Computer Network Engineer, I have used hundreds of forums for many years (back to BBS).

Never before have I seen repeated 'full text' quotes copied into a reply like on this site. When that quote includes the same images as originally posted, it becomes extremely annoying to the reader to scroll through!

I have to wait to post a single image of my work; yet a new subscriber can litter several pages by reposting material I have already seen earlier in the same thread?

I appreciate all the great information available on MOL, but these Full Page Quotes need to stop.

Thank you all for the consideration.
Regards,
Richard

Superior Shine
Jun 1st, 2009, 09:01 PM
I am relatively new to this particular forum, but as a Computer Network Engineer, I have used hundreds of forums for many years (back to BBS).

Never before have I seen repeated 'full text' quotes copied into a reply like on this site. When that quote includes the same images as originally posted, it becomes extremely annoying to the reader to scroll through!



I have to wait to post a single image of my work; yet a new subscriber can litter several pages by reposting material I have already seen earlier in the same thread?


I appreciate all the great information available on MOL, but these Full Page Quotes need to stop.


Thank you all for the consideration.
Regards,
Richard

OK I will work on it.

H.E.D
Jun 1st, 2009, 09:44 PM
^ thats pretty funny :chuckle1.

mr.haributo
Jun 1st, 2009, 09:48 PM
:rofl:

foilr
Jun 1st, 2009, 10:40 PM
Thanks for your support Tony! - NOT!!!
I thought some of you heavyweights might support that idea. Oh well. I see where you stand.

C Ya

Desertdawg
Jun 1st, 2009, 11:17 PM
Your just as guilty as the rest of us... Example! http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=321660&postcount=16

Or worse, you added 100 empty spaces in your reply!

Murr1525
Jun 1st, 2009, 11:31 PM
:scratchhead1

Yeah Tony, you need to be more supporitive of other peoples ideas. Not everything is a joke Tony.

:dunno

foilr
Jun 1st, 2009, 11:46 PM
OK Murr, you and Joe have fun running this site.

Lot's of great info on here and lot's of attitude to go with it. Not really what I thought Meguiar's was trying to promote.

Sorry I picked the wrong place.

mr.haributo
Jun 1st, 2009, 11:57 PM
Richard,

It reads like it was a joke. What I've seen on forums, including this one, is folks have different online etiquette. What seems frustrating to a CNE is probably forum norm (dependent on forum members).

One of my pet peeves is misspelled words or "txt" language. You get by like with everything else and read into what the poster is trying to convey.

This forum is pretty docile compared to what I've seen on others.

Just my 2ยข.

Desertdawg
Jun 2nd, 2009, 12:31 AM
Sorry I picked the wrong place.


Wow, don't run off so quick, I think all the replys in this thread were posted with a smile on our faces.
If we can't joke every now and then, we would all need straight jackets...:poke

:lolol:

Mike Phillips
Jun 3rd, 2009, 07:51 AM
I am relatively new to this particular forum, but as a Computer Network Engineer, I have used hundreds of forums for many years (back to BBS).


I go back to a time before discussion forum software was created, back to when Usenet Newsgroups were the only game in town. In fact I was posting to Usenet Newsgroups when rec.autos.misc became so busy that it was split into two groups, rec.autos.misc and rec.autos.tech That would be 1992 or 1993

Probably not longer than some but longer than most.



Never before have I seen repeated 'full text' quotes copied into a reply like on this site. When that quote includes the same images as originally posted, it becomes extremely annoying to the reader to scroll through!


We have a pretty good set of forum rules that keep this forum running family friendly but they don't include telling people how to structure their posts in the way you're complaining about.

We like to keep this forum freewheeling, that is casual, fun and comfortable and while you do have a point that it's not necessary to quote entire posts in a reply, we don't attack people for doing this and we don't allow other's to attack people for doing this.

It takes some practice to quote someone and then slice out the portions that are not be addressed in the follow-up post, and there is no school on the Internet that shows people how to do this so most people aren't as proficient at this as we would all like but we still don't bring a big hammer down on them for the practice.

We do have a forum group specifically for teaching people how to interact on discussion forums and it's actually quite a resource for information. In fact I can't remember another forum I belong to that actually has a forum with content like we have here,

Forum related how-to articles (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=154)


It's possible one of our talented forum members could create a how-to article on how to properly quote including slicing out non-pertinent portions as they relate to the follow-up.




I have to wait to post a single image of my work; yet a new subscriber can litter several pages by reposting material I have already seen earlier in the same thread?


Our Spam software places specific types of posts by NEW members with a low post count into Moderation, this applies to all new members as a preventative measure to protect the community from spam. We do our best to approve posts and pictures on-the-fly throughout the day as well as at the start of each day.



I appreciate all the great information available on MOL, but these Full Page Quotes need to stop.

Thank you all for the consideration.
Regards,
Richard


We appreciate your feedback on this topic and as mentioned above, it's possible we can do an article on how to properly use the quote feature to help our members to create better follow-up posts but we won't allow any member to bash or attack other members over this topic.




OK Murr, you and Joe have fun running this site.

Lot's of great info on here and lot's of attitude to go with it. Not really what I thought Meguiar's was trying to promote.


Joe and Matt are both respected long time members that have nothing but a LONG history of helping others with their posts. Their replies to you were innocent and harmless as they were just having a little fun and meant you no harm. That's part of our freewheeling, casual and fun environment.




Sorry I picked the wrong place.


If you're looking for accurate and helpful information on car care then you picked the right place. If you expect the diverse group of members on this forum or any forum to be experts at all the proper protocols for interacting on a forum then we're probably going to disappoint you and we apologize ahead of time.

We can't force people to surgically edit a quoted chunk of text to leave only the portion that applies to their follow-up just like we can't and don't force people to use a Spell Checker to check their spelling before posting their message.

We don make the link to I.E. Spell available to our forum members to download, install and use, but the freewheeling nature of this forum and most forums means that not everyone will do so.

Free Spell Checker for Internet Explorer! (http://www.iespell.com/)


By the way, the above link was posted to this thread on Oct 10th, 2004, 06:52 PM

Free Spell Checker to correct your spelling in your messages! (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3179)


That's almost 5 years ago... so we do have a record of at least trying to be pro-active in helping others to help themselves and make this forum a great place overall to hang out on.


:)

Mike Phillips
Jun 3rd, 2009, 07:56 AM
foilr,

Just to point out, we would love to have a how-to article that included screen shots showing people how to properly use the quote feature included with vBulletin forum software.

The cool thing about our forum is that anyone can write and post a how-to article on how to better use the forum and post it here,

Forum related how-to articles (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=154)


This would be a great addition to our already helpful collection of forum related how-to articles.

Perhaps you would like to take a stab at it?


:)

10degreesbtdc
Jun 3rd, 2009, 08:13 AM
lot's of attitude. Not really what I thought Meguiar's was trying to promote.

Sorry I picked the wrong place.

Yikes! yikes Got his shorts all in a bunch, I guess. Talk about calling the kettle black. Attitude to the max, there foilr!

Cheer up, it will be alright. The sun will come up tomorrow and there will still be a wealth of info here, for free! :dp:

Zuke
Jun 3rd, 2009, 08:20 AM
Mike you are always one step ahead, i was going to say someone so familiar with fourms, me not being one of them, could do a great write up on how to make it smoother!

MyFirstES300
Jun 3rd, 2009, 09:04 AM
I can understand the OP's frustration regarding the original complaint. As already stated, we all have our own pet peeves regarding forum format.

For me, I tend to avoid reading posts if I find it takes too much effort to try to understand what the poster is trying to write (Example: Writing in "text" format, or extremely poor grammar and writing skills).

People that are genuinely trying to seek help on forums need to be able to write well enough minimally so people can understand their problem. Otherwise, very few will respond to their questions.

ClearlyCoated
Jun 3rd, 2009, 09:22 AM
If Joe hadn't posted that response, any number of us would have, including myself. I was going to quote the first post and only reply with a thumbs-up icon. But it would have all been in good fun, not to ridicule the OP who actually makes a very valid point. The pics take some time to load and that increases exponentially when the photos have been quoted by one or more users.

I'm a mod on a sports forum. Last season I posted a similar thread about members who quote an entire article and then add something like "Point taken!" or "Heck yeah!". I got the same treatment, but it was all in good fun and I expected those responses because of the familial nature of common interest topic forums. The fact that members poked fun at my thread was (to me) a sign of acceptance rather than ridicule.

On this forum I have actually made it a practice to right click on a thread I know will contain photos (MOLers are very good about warning other members of the inclusion of multiple large pics) and I open it in a new tab or window. That way I can continue to browse other threads and return to the pic heavy thread at my leisure. Just an FYC.

Mike Phillips
Jun 3rd, 2009, 09:33 AM
People that are genuinely trying to seek help on forums need to be able to write well enough minimally so people can understand their problem. Otherwise, very few will respond to their questions.


We have so many people that join that are new to this thing we call a discussion forum that there's always going to be Newbies that make common mistakes just because they don't know any better.

ONE OF THE MOST COMMON MISTAKES IS TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS WHICH MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE YELLING AT EVERYONE!

Even though you're not. It's a fairly common mistake and on this forum most of our members will politely point this out and sometimes include this picture to add a little levity.


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2CapsLock.jpg



Also on a related topic, on the forum homepage you can find links to these two articles which are written with the specific purpose of helping a person to get the best replies possible to their questions...


Friendly Tips...
How to write a great subject for your message! (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22272)
The Number 3 - Try to limit the number of questions in a single message to three... (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22273)



:)

wyseilmykkar
Jun 3rd, 2009, 09:42 AM
On this forum I have actually made it a practice to right click on a thread I know will contain photos (MOLers are very good about warning other members of the inclusion of multiple large pics) and I open it in a new tab or window. That way I can continue to browse other threads and return to the pic heavy thread at my leisure. Just an FYC.

That's a great tip, thanks!

ClearlyCoated
Jun 3rd, 2009, 09:58 AM
That's a great tip, thanks!Here's another one. Instead of scrolling up on a page with scores of large pics to get back to the top of the page, just hit the Home button. To get to the bottom of the page in a hurry, hit the End button

Poki
Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:19 AM
Wow! Thanks Clearly....I really never knew what those were for.....no end to the learning here.

SRT10
Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:28 AM
ahh usenet... My servers were once in the top 10 of usenet servers in the world. We had 4 percent of all articles running through our stuff.

Now you want to talk about usenet etiquette, not many current internet newbies would or could survive usenet. I am still active very much for apache, sendmail and a couple of others.. Oops, off topic.. Sorry

MyFirstES300
Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:30 AM
+1 I knew about this, but I am so much in the habit of using the mouse to navigate, I forgot about how handy those buttons could be in the above mentioned situation.

john m.
Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:05 AM
Honestly I will not complain about this forum at all because I love it. The few others I am on (which I wont mention) let people do whatever they want and everyone has an attitude most of the time. Here I get tons of great information, everyone is very friendly and ready to help, and I have made some great friends here. So these little things like the OP mentioned may bother me but foilr you say that Murr and Joe (who are some great guys) were rude and had an attitude but Im sure that some forums would be much worse.

MOL is a great place and with tons of information that has actually made me some money :D maybe one of the forum rules should be "your getting brilliant information for free so dont complain" :D

man I sound like a huge Meg's fanboy!

Tuck91
Jun 3rd, 2009, 02:26 PM
Honestly I will not complain about this forum at all because I love it.

:iagree:

miahjohn
Jun 3rd, 2009, 08:21 PM
Yes sir! this is a great forum. actually its the first forum I ever came to! when I got here I no idea how to navigate it or how to even make posts. Within a few short days it seemed everyone steered me in the right direction.

another car forum I belong to is full of profanity and derrogitory (theres a spelling error) statements. Its so bad I don't read half the post that are there.

As far as the spelling and grammer errors here, keep in mind that there are so many members from ALL OVER THE WORLD on here where english is most likely a second, third or not even a common language where they live. think of going onto a spanish or german forum with a 3rd grade reading level in that language.

Underdawg736
Jun 4th, 2009, 07:34 AM
I just came across this topic and I thought it was one of the Mod's asking those who do this to cut back.

Boy was I wrong!!!
I could understand if Foilr was asking politely if people could stop doing it, maybe he has a slow computer...who knows, but that post was THICK of nasty attitude and what's with the demanding?? Looks like you're new to this forum and if you've been to hundreds of other forums you should know darn good and well that most people on the internet are not professional posters and they do only what they know.

Sounds to me like somebody missed snack time! :chuckle1 :monkeys

As others have said, it's all in good fun, this is by far the most friendly forum I've ran into. You need to lighten up and think first before you post becuase a thread like this one will bring you lots of SARCASM.

Like Mike Phillips said there should be a how-to topic on quoting posts...maybe YOU should write it since it struck a deep nerve to you.

Anyways I hope you stick around as there is an infinite amount of knowladge here and the "heavywieghts" would support you if you didn't come off as abrasive as you did with this post.

Alex C.
Jun 4th, 2009, 10:13 AM
I like snack time. :chuckle1

Maserati Mario
Jun 4th, 2009, 01:09 PM
It was a joke.
This happend to me once.
I was hurt on another forum by all the "funny" posts.
I was serious and all the responces I recived were a joke so I left the forum
Granted only 1 post upset this guy but he was offended.
About a year later I went back with a better understanding of forums and found a bunch great people who helped me out.
I'm very happy I took some time off before I responded again.
Hopefully this chap will do the same.

SHYNEMAN123
Jun 4th, 2009, 02:14 PM
If you push the (I) pwr button on your computer can you still hear members on here discussing things of not so much importance when we have young men and women far away from home risking there lives so you have the freedom to discuss these little things ?

That's all I have to say about that.

F.G.

Eddie6th
Jun 4th, 2009, 02:41 PM
I do use the quote function,but if there is too much to delete,I just use the reply,but copy and paste the information neccessary.I don't think anybody does this intentionaly to annoy. I think cut and paste would help to cut down the size of replies.Although,I must admit,it doesn't really bother me.

Alex C.
Jun 4th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Andrew did a great writeup on how to properly quote.


http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34107

Murr1525
Jun 4th, 2009, 02:55 PM
I'm sure we can let this go now..... There is nothing to make a big deal about.

Andy M.
Jun 4th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I'm sure we can let this go now..... There is nothing to make a big deal about.


:iagree: Time to put this one to rest.

Andy M.
MOL Moderator

mr.haributo
Jun 4th, 2009, 03:37 PM
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