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TH0001
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:17 AM
This car has not been touched (until I fixed it) since leaving the gates in Italy. I know because I pulled the plastics off of it...

Sometimes other 'detailers' will give exotic detailers **** because they think all the cars we work on are perfect (I'm still waiting for that day). In my experice most exotics I work are are worse the the soccer mom van, except for the stains in the carpet or dog hair. These cars are poor from the factory gates and usually ruined further by the dealer... But here it is, straight from the factory and past QC...

Swirls? Check, and every where.
Holograms? Check, on the hood and rear fenders...
Scratches? Check, just about every where.
DA Sanding Marks!?!?!? Check, I had to wetsand 4 spots (large spots) to get them out.

This is a 300k Ferrari Scuderia and this is how it left the gates...

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/b1-1.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x121/tropicaldetailing/b2-2.jpg

OhioCarBuff
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:24 AM
Why on earth would anybody even need to buff a factory fresh paint job??? If the car comes with the plastic on it, I thought that meant that the paint has literally never been touched by anybody?

Ganesa
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:42 AM
wow those are extreme defects of a car just leaving the factory...

john m.
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:52 AM
What a terrible finish for a brand new car! :( So lets see the after pictures Todd, you gotta give us something sweet to drool over :D

RacerX88
Jul 4th, 2009, 09:21 AM
Wow! That's even worse than some U.S. off the lot, rail dust jobs I've seen on here. 300K straight from the factory can't buy you a flawless paint job, either? :pullhair1

Maybe the lighting at the factory stinks?

Now lets see what you did!

Kevin Brown
Jul 4th, 2009, 09:36 AM
Should be easy to keep that 'new car look' with this one! :yelrotflmao

I guess they have their Monday/Friday cars, as well as their Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday cars. Looks like your guy got a Friday afternoon car! :eek:

I am certain you straighted it out. Scottwax1

maarten22
Jul 4th, 2009, 10:18 AM
The cars are test driven in Maranello. After the test drive they go through the automatic car wash:angry1 (This is not a joke) And to remove the scratches that the car wash left behind they polish it for about 30 minutes. And then the car looks like the pictures from Todd. Same happened to this Ferrari California:
http://www.autopia.org/forum/pro-details-before-after/120346-one-very-butchered-ferrari-california-saved.html

brims
Jul 4th, 2009, 11:32 AM
My truck sat on a dealer lot for 7 months and then I never detailed it for over a year and it didn't look that bad. Glad I spent a fraction of that on my truck. If I spent that much on a vehicle it should give you a tan if you walk next to the car in the sun.

FLINTstone
Jul 4th, 2009, 01:22 PM
i watched a special on lexus factory paintjobs the other day on history channel and man are they meticulous about quality. there are so many QC checkpoints even before the car is cleared for the test track.

you would think that a manufacturer such as ferrari would have something similar but i guess not...

AeroCleanse
Jul 4th, 2009, 01:48 PM
No car is perfect unless one of us has made it so.

:worship

Superior Shine
Jul 4th, 2009, 02:11 PM
What did you expect for 300K?

J. A. Michaels
Jul 4th, 2009, 03:29 PM
That is crazy. I never would have expected that from Ferrari.

cnfowler
Jul 4th, 2009, 07:58 PM
The cars are test driven in Maranello. After the test drive they go through the automatic car wash:angry1 (This is not a joke) And to remove the scratches that the car wash left behind they polish it for about 30 minutes. And then the car looks like the pictures from Todd.


I couldn't understand how a brand new vehicle could look like that, but now I do. Wow, what a great "thank you" from Ferrari for purchasing their vehicle. With a finish like that, you'd think Ferrari was in the detailing business, too, and it was their way of drumming up business!

Colin

Calais
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:05 PM
I would send it back and demand either a better model in return or the same model and color with a 99% flawless paint job, professionally detailed by a third party. For my 300k heads would roll.

TH0001
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:35 PM
I would send it back and demand either a better model in return or the same model and color with a 99% flawless paint job, professionally detailed by a third party. For my 300k heads would roll.

When you wait 5 months for your custom built Ferrari to be delivered, it isn't near that simple. In fact Ferrari would likely laugh at your request. I have a client who has a black F430 Spider that doesn't have PAINT on the lips of the vents. When he complained, the offical response was "Enzo always said your paying for the engine and car was free, how does the engine run?"

The car was detailed by a professional 3rd party (me) and now is 99% flawless or greater.

Calais
Jul 4th, 2009, 08:43 PM
When you wait 5 months for your custom built Ferrari to be delivered, it isn't near that simple. In fact Ferrari would likely laugh at your request. I have a client who has a black F430 Spider that doesn't have PAINT on the lips of the vents. When he complained, the offical response was "Enzo always said your paying for the engine and car was free, how does the engine run?"

The car was detailed by a professional 3rd party (me) and now is 99% flawless or greater.

I'll take a classic American car, thanks.

I'm sure you did a wonderful job, but I would make them do it on their dime not mine.

john m.
Jul 4th, 2009, 09:03 PM
When you wait 5 months for your custom built Ferrari to be delivered, it isn't near that simple. In fact Ferrari would likely laugh at your request. I have a client who has a black F430 Spider that doesn't have PAINT on the lips of the vents. When he complained, the offical response was "Enzo always said your paying for the engine and car was free, how does the engine run?"

The car was detailed by a professional 3rd party (me) and now is 99% flawless or greater.

That is terrible! You would think you would get a little more for you money. I say this but I know if I had money to throw around Id get me one :D Probably have you detail it for me also ;)

Markus Kleis
Jul 4th, 2009, 11:23 PM
I have a client who has a black F430 Spider that doesn't have PAINT on the lips of the vents. When he complained, the offical response was "Enzo always said your paying for the engine and car was free, how does the engine run?"

Yikes, guess I'll just cancel my order for my Ferrari California. :nervous1

the_invisible
Jul 5th, 2009, 01:30 AM
I have watched a couple of videos of how Ferraris are built. Needless to say, the emphasis of a Ferrari is on performance and styling. Material quality and workmanship are definitely of concern to the enterprise, while environmentally-friendly material such as eco-paint and bio-degradable plastics are used extensively. With that said, swirl reduction is and has never been the top priority of Ferrari. The automated car wash is also eco-friendly. The water recycling system operates in such a way that a fixed quantity of water supply in the reservoir could wash up to 100 vehicles before needing a flush. Ferrari would much rather save a couple trees than to spend any more money making their cars look great out the door.

Let's face it. Ferrari is a rare good and most of the time there are more demands than supplies. I don't think finding scratches on a Ferrari would deter anyone from buying them gain.

TH0001
Jul 5th, 2009, 04:46 AM
I have watched a couple of videos of how Ferraris are built. Needless to say, the emphasis of a Ferrari is on performance and styling. Material quality and workmanship are definitely of concern to the enterprise, while environmentally-friendly material such as eco-paint and bio-degradable plastics are used extensively. With that said, swirl reduction is and has never been the top priority of Ferrari. The automated car wash is also eco-friendly. The water recycling system operates in such a way that a fixed quantity of water supply in the reservoir could wash up to 100 vehicles before needing a flush. Ferrari would much rather save a couple trees than to spend any more money making their cars look great out the door.

Let's face it. Ferrari is a rare good and most of the time there are more demands than supplies. I don't think finding scratches on a Ferrari would deter anyone from buying them gain.

Exactly, and it is great job security for me!

DiModaCorse
May 19th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Yes, the Italians do things their way and are unapologetic about it!

nicknick
Oct 5th, 2010, 07:58 PM
When you wait 5 months for your custom built Ferrari to be delivered, it isn't near that simple. In fact Ferrari would likely laugh at your request. I have a client who has a black F430 Spider that doesn't have PAINT on the lips of the vents. When he complained, the offical response was "Enzo always said your paying for the engine and car was free, how does the engine run?"

The car was detailed by a professional 3rd party (me) and now is 99% flawless or greater.

With attitudes like that it is sad that they are held in such high esteem.

Michael Stoops
Oct 6th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Ferrari does inspect paint for noticeable defects and will attempt a correction before the car leaves the factory - this was shown in the same documentary previously mentioned in this thread.

Now, if some buffing takes place and there is no concern for a "perfect finish" then this sort of thing is going to happen. But it isn't just Ferrari. Earlier this year we were in Orlando, FL to do a few seminars for the Rolls Royce Owner's Club meet and on the Friday evening of the event we were treated to a wonderful dinner at the local Rolls Royce / Lamborghini dealer. Sitting in the showroom was a brand new Rolls Royce Phantom sedan with a sticker price fully 1/3 greater than this Ferrari. Many of those who had taken our seminars earlier in the week approached and, with some level of excitement and dismay, asked if they were really seeing what they thought they were. Yes, this brand spanking new $430,000 car did indeed have noticeable swirls in the (metallic) black paint - easily seen at night in low light by people who just learned what a swirl/cobweb is.

Chris Thompson
Oct 6th, 2010, 05:35 PM
I was just at a cruise in with about 40 or 50 cars. Classics, customs, and sports cars of all types. I did not see one that had even a relatively clear finish. I was also looking through a book of 1950's autos and in the few pictures where they had some sun shots, they were swirled worse than my daily driver. I love it, it means that there are tons of potential customers!