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Mike Pennington
Nov 21st, 2009, 07:12 AM
Class is about to begin Scottwax1

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More pics to follow...

Fly Bye
Nov 22nd, 2009, 02:35 AM
:showpics:

Ganesa
Nov 22nd, 2009, 03:42 AM
cant wait for the whole pictures of the class was :]

TimG
Nov 22nd, 2009, 03:53 AM
and they got to play with the new toys? .....

Michael Stoops
Nov 23rd, 2009, 09:12 AM
Now that was a fun day! Thanks to those who gave up a beautiful sunny Saturday to come down to Meguiar's Garage and learn how to wet sand and rotary buff! We hope you had as much fun as we did!


After going through some background info covering the various steps in the process, the how's and why's so to speak, it was time to get down to it in the garage.

This sandpaper has been soaking overnight and is ready to go!
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Here the paper is wrapped around a backing pad and the hand is placed flat and firmly against it, moving in smooth back and forth strokes only - no circles!!
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You always want that backing pad in place otherwise you run the risk of leaving finger marks in the paint since you fingers will act as pressure points, causing the sand paper to cut much deeper directly at those pressure points. To illustrate, a bare wet hand was run over the paint, leaving water trails behind from each finger. Do that with sandpaper and you sand grooves into the finish!
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The result of proper hand sanding. You can see a reasonably uniform finish across the area, and some of the orange peel is still present. This tells us we haven't cut terribly deep into the paint at this stage.
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D/A sanding changes things quite a bit. A larger area can be covered in less time, and a much more uniform and predictable sanding scratch is left behind. The more uniform and predictable those sanding marks are, the easier they are to remove.
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Look at how even THAT is!
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This is a Meguiar's 3000 grit foam finishing disc with integrated backer, affixed to the foam interface pad already mounted on the D/A sanding tool.
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Once the sanding is completed it's time to pull out the rotary and get to work restoring the gloss. Here Mike demonstrates how easy the rotary can be to control once you're comfortable with it. Respect the tool, always, but you control it - it does not control you! Here we're using a WWLC7 wool light cutting pad with M105 Ultra Cut Compound at 1500 rpm.
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And the gloss is coming back!
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Keeping the pad clean is critical to acheiving the desired result. A quick hit with a spur, while securing the tool, is all it takes.
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For the final polish we move on to the W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 foam finishing pad, M205 Ultra Finishing Polish, and drop the speed to right around 1,000 rpm.
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OK, now it's your turn!

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Hmmm..... this is why you practice!
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Always under the watchful eye...... rotary buffing isn't just about choosing the right pad and liquid, it's about proper ergonomics, not fighting the tool, and being relaxed.
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Keeping the pad clean. Always!
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Ganging up on the poor car!
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Keeping the pad flat is critical, but sometimes you need to come up on the edge a bit to get around some tight areas.
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Or you could use a smaller pad for those tight areas. Nice!!
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Picking up the bead can be a bit tricky at times.... and you end up splattering it everywhere!
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Showing how it's done.
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Proper tape removal. Yes, pulling at a 90 degree angle helps avoid slivering of the tape and is the preferred method for tape removal.
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Final Inspection. No, not M34, the actual inspection of the final work!\
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Mike Pennington
Nov 23rd, 2009, 10:12 AM
Now that was a fun day! Thanks to those who gave up a beautiful sunny Saturday to come down to Meguiar's Garage and learn how to wet sand and rotary buff! We hope you had as much fun as we did!

I'll 2nd what Mike said...

Thank you to those of you who joined us on Sat! Your passion and energy really showed :xyxthumbs

We also hope to see you next year at the Thursday Night Open Garages where you can share how your skills are progressing :D

Mike

pollo
Nov 23rd, 2009, 10:41 PM
thank u guys, it's a wonderful experience of the knowledge you spread over us. I really apreciate your patience and dedication to us.

Fly Bye
Nov 28th, 2009, 10:27 PM
:xyxthumbs

hot rod
Nov 30th, 2009, 10:22 AM
Where can I get the small rotory pad set up?

Mike Pennington
Nov 30th, 2009, 10:27 AM
They should be available mid to late December at any Meguiar's Retailer / Distributor (on line or brick & motor store) that carries our Mirror Glaze products.

hot rod
Nov 30th, 2009, 02:09 PM
Mike thanks for the info. Will these be made by Meguiars?

Mike Pennington
Nov 30th, 2009, 02:49 PM
Yes, these are Meguiar's pads

:xyxthumbs

sleepy
Dec 18th, 2009, 07:25 AM
Please show More pictures, maybe a video. For us that can not get to Cal, or Texas, or where ever you have a class, this would be awsome to see, and a great help to us.:xyxthumbs

speed3blackmica
Dec 26th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Mike P, those 4 inch pads look awesome !! can these pads work with the g110v2 if you get the adapter to convert rotary thread to DA thread ?

ljm
Dec 27th, 2009, 09:08 AM
What about the guys onthe east coast.?Man I would love to go to one of those classes.iF I use the polish before the NXT is that trick if the finish is in good shape?

switerajaya
Jul 17th, 2010, 09:57 PM
Interesting! Wish I could be there.
But there're some question i'd like to ask, what is the masking tape for in above photos? As a newbie to machine polishing, i understand that masking tape is used to cover plastic trims or regions that we don't want to be accidentally buffed by the machine (i did once, my washer nozzle housing ruined by a soft buff 2.0 finishing pad running on 1200 RPM). But from above picture, is it right that the masking tape is used to sections based on curviness of the panel, since i found that bit tricky to buff non flat panels. And please, i really need advice on buffing on non flat panels, like buffing a suzuki swift, thanks.

Michael Stoops
Jul 19th, 2010, 06:46 AM
But there're some question i'd like to ask, what is the masking tape for in above photos?
There are several reasons for masking off when rotary buffing, chief among them being to protect vulnerable areas. That could be things like lights, trim, washer nozzles, etc but also an adjacent panel that sits a tiny bit higher than the panel you're working on. Brushing the pad against the edge of this slightly higher panel can quickly and easily burn the paint off the edge.

As this was a teaching situation we taped off a lot of things just to play it safe.