View Full Version : CorvetteForum at Meguiar's - Round 2!

Mike Phillips
Feb 4th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Meguiar's is proud to host members from CorvetteForum here at our Corporate Office in Irvine, CA!




Products & Tools




Ready for class!

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Mike Phillips
Feb 5th, 2005, 08:39 AM
We have fine examples of a variety of different body styles on hand today!





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Feb 5th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Mike, great presentation today I came away with a better understanding of your products and how they are used. Thanks and I update you on their usage.

Feb 5th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Great pizza.

Mike Phillips
Feb 5th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Ringer
Mike, great presentation today I came away with a better understanding of your products and how they are used. Thanks and I update you on their usage.

Thank you.

We appreciate everyone that attended today and hope everyone learned something they could use. I'll try to start posting some of the pictures we captured tomorrow evening, it's too bad the sun never poked its head out to better show the before and after...

Time to clean up!


Feb 5th, 2005, 03:44 PM

Those donuts look delicious!

Feb 5th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Great Job today Mike!! Thanks a million for a clear concise clinic on detailing our cars. Once I receive all the goodies I bought from Meguiar's today, maybe I will do you proud the next time you see my ol' '98 Torch Red C5 without the scratches!! Be sure to thank Tim for us too.

Until next time.....Have a great day!

Mike Phillips
Feb 5th, 2005, 05:19 PM
Hi Dennis,

Your welcome and thank you for spending your day with Meguiar's! We just finished cleaning up and putting everything back it it's place, time to head home!

Look for photos starting tomorrow night...


new shine detailing
Feb 5th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Mike, just imagine how much more the people would have learned if you served protein instead of sugar. :D


Mike Phillips
Feb 5th, 2005, 08:00 PM
The members from CorvetteForum were enthusiastic with lot's of great questions!




Feb 6th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Something just caught my eye in the Products and Tools picture. A neon/electric green/yellow tin (looks like it says Carnauba Wax on it) behind the tech wax. Is it reflections off the tech wax onto a tin of #16 or is it something else? Sorry...i'm new to meguiar's products maybe it's something really obvious...just curious!


Mike Phillips
Feb 6th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Carl
Something just caught my eye in the Products and Tools picture. A neon/electric green/yellow tin (looks like it says Carnauba Wax on it) behind the tech wax. Is it reflections off the tech wax onto a tin of #16 or is it something else? Sorry...i'm new to Meguiar's products maybe it's something really obvious...just curious!


That's a can of Meguiar's first Mold Release wax introduced in 1950.


Meguiar's offers not only a complete line of products for cleaning, polishing and maintaining boats and other watercraft, but we also offer all the tools and products for the companies that make boats and other things out of molds and that's mold release waxes.

I usually share that part of Meguiar's history in the classroom portion as a lot of people don't know we created the first mold release wax for commercial use and that wax is still in production today and the most popular mold release wax on the market.

Feb 6th, 2005, 05:58 PM
That's cool! I had no idea they had marine care stuff...neat.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 08:02 AM
An awesome collection of Corvettes were brought down to Meguiar's by members of CorvetteForum (http://www.corvetteforum.com)

Here's Jack's pristine 1967 Corvette Stingray sporting the Meguiar's Deep Crystal 3-Step System!



:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Here's some fine examples of the high caliber of Corvettes brought to Meguiar's!




Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Craig drove over 400 miles to attend Meguiar's Detailing Class; here's his Corvette looking racy with it's bold color scheme!


Red always looks great on any year Corvette!



Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 01:17 PM
One member drove to Meguiar's on his BMW Touring Bike,


And serious car enthusiasts and President of the C3 Mini Cooper club joined us for the day to shoot some video of this event. Here's his Mini Cooper, "Lil 'Octane" looking spectacular as always!


:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 02:22 PM
The classroom portion of Meguiar's Detailing 101 class starts at 9:00am sharp with a power point presentation, product discussions and a time for questions and answers...



At approximately 11:30 am, we adjourn to Meguiar's parking lot to do what we call a "Walk By" where we walk by each of the members Corvette and inspect, evaluate and discuss their car care maintenance program.


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 02:27 PM
The finish is evaluated both visually for below surface defects such as swirls, scratches, water etchings, etc. and with the clean palm of our hands to evaluate for above surface bonded contaminants such as overspray, mineral deposits, tree sap mist, and other airborne contaminants.


Owners are asked what they are currently using and if their finish is not up to their expectations, we offer product and process suggestions for removing defects and restoring a show car shine.



Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Some Corvettes have a clear, glassy wet-look to them and need little or nothing to improve them. Such was the case of this Torch Red Corvette...


While not raining, it was a bit on the overcast side which made it difficult to fully see the true condition of each car's finish. It's always best to inspect a painted finish in at least two kinds of light with one of them being bright sunlight. Bright sunlight will tend to show buffer swirls and cobweb-effect better than anything and will help you to determine what products and procedures will be necessary to remove the defects.


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 02:39 PM
After walking by and inspecting all of the finishes on the Corvettes present that day, we chose John Cunnane, aka 93ZF6 Corvette demonstrate on.


John moved to SoCal from Florida, driving his Corvette all the way out here and since arriving has had to park it outdoors continually.

The clear coat finish was filled with swirls and water mark etchings, that even without the sun were quite visible.


Feb 7th, 2005, 04:40 PM
Great pix as always Mike! I know you got plenty more there, but just wanted to say I had a great time, and those Corvette enthusiasts were really friendly. I didn't feel like an outsider (with my MINI) one bit. :D

Hope the video turned out ok. I had a little difficulty with your tripod at first--takes a really delicate hand--I didn't quite get it right until after the 2nd tape!

But I learn something new every time. Your classes make a great refresher course for me.


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Next we brought John's Corvette into Meguia'rs Garage for the hands-on training portion of Meguiar's Detailing 101 Class.

The first thing we do is to wipe the entire car down with Meguiar's Quik Detailer (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=A-33) to remove any light dust, dirt or other airborne contaminants from the finish before we clay the finish.





Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 04:51 PM
After wiping the finish down, it doesn't take long to clay the entire car with a team full of enthusiastic Corvette Owners on hand!



To remove any above surface bonded contaminants, we used Meguiar's Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11).


Clay bar technology removes aboves surface bonded contaminants without scratching the finish or removing any paint. It is the safest way to remove bonded contaminants contaminants and restore a [b]smooth-as-glass feel to your car's finish.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:12 PM
Claying and then inspecting to make sure the contaminants have been removed. Before claying you will fill little tiny bumps on the finish, after claying, the finish should feel perfectly smooth.



It's incredible how much dirt and other contaminants can build-up on your car's finish that your eyes cannot see but the clay bar will remove!


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 05:47 PM
During our classes, there are plenty of Meguiar's products to test out to see how they perform.


One such product is our new NEW NXT Generation Glass Cleaner (http://meguiars.com/newproducts05/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-133) with our new Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://meguiars.com/newproducts05/accessoryproduct_page.cfm?SKU=X-2010).

http://www.showcarshine.com/product_files/G13324.jpg http://www.showcarshine.com/accessories_files/X2010.jpg

Here a member of CorvetteForum gives NXT Generation Glass Cleaner a test run on John's Corvette Glass with crystal clear, streak-free results!




Feb 7th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Hey Mike.... had a great time Saturday:xyxthumbs Learned a lot and met a great bunch of guys!!

Here's some NXT results.....




Feb 7th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Man we really miss out being on the east coast.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 06:02 PM
After removing the above surface defects, it's time to remove the below surface defects. To do this by hand, Meguiar's recommends their ScratchX (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-103). ScratchX is what Meguiar's refers to as a Paint Cleaner. Meguiar's paint cleaners use diminishing abrasives that break down as you work them against the finish


For light cleaning a finish in fairly good condition, you usually get away with one application and work a fairly large area at a time.

For a finish that is filled with water spot etchings and hundreds of thousands of swirl scratches, you need to reduce your work area to a smaller size and apply 2 and sometimes 3 applications, working each application in thoroughly.



When you apply ScratchX to the surface, mark out in your mind the area you're going to work, then start by spreading the product out over the area, then start working the product against the finish. Remember, spread the product out first, then work it. When you first start out the ScratchX will look a whitish/opaque against the paint, as your work the product against the finish it will turn clear and oily looking, this is an indicator you have worked the product enough to have broken the diminishing abrasives down and hopefully you will have removed a small amount of paint which is how you remove below surface defects.

For this demonstration, we applied the ScratchX three times and worked it in fairly aggressively. After working this product in, you immediately remove it with either a clean, soft microfiber polishing cloth, or a 100% cotton towel. Meguiar's paint cleaners do not need to dry before removing, nor should they be allowed to dry. Simply work the product in and then remove.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 07:12 PM
After removing the residual ScratchX, we then applied a thin coating of Deep Crystal Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=A-21)



After working the polish thoroughly yet gently into the pre-cleaned paint, we immediately removed it. Like paint cleaners, Meguiar's polishes do not need to dry before you remover them. Simply apply, work in well, then remove with a soft clean microfiber polishing cloth, or a clean, soft 100% cotton towel.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 07:52 PM
After removing the pure polish, the finish is now perfectly prepared for an application of protective wax. For this demonstration we chose to apply the brand new NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste (http://meguiars.com/newproducts05/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-12711).



A pre-softened wax like Meguiar's Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=A-12) can be scooped out of the can and worked in to the paint because of the type of wax it is and it's consistency.


A wax like the NXT Tech Wax Paste however should not be scooped out, but instead, take your applicator pad, (round pads work best), and briskly spin it on top of the wax in a circular motion. The small amount of agitation and friction will tend to liquefy the wax so that it will saturate into your applicator pad. Once this has happened, you're ready to apply the wax to the surface. When starting out with a brand new can of wax you usually have to break the can in, after the initial removal of wax it will become easier to spin your pad and liquefy the wax.


Spread the wax out over the surface using gentle, overlapping motions working the wax thoroughly into the paint.



Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Meguiar's recommends waiting for 10 to 15 minutes or until a wax dries to a haze before removing it. Time varies depending upon temperature and humidity. A more accurate indicator is to use what Meguiar's teaches called, The Swipe Test (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2166).

How to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove

A good rule of thumb for knowing when a Meguiar?s wax is ready to remove, is to wait until the wax dries to a haze and swipes clear using the Swipe Test. In most cases, in most climates, this should be approximately 10 to 15 minutes after application. In warmer climates, it will hedge towards the 10 minute range, and in colder, wet climates, it will take longer and hedge towards the 15 and even 20 to 25 minute range. Other factors include how thick of a coat you applied, relative humidity and air flow.

Another way to test if the wax has set-up long enough besides measuring with time, is to perform the Swipe Test.

"Swipe Test"

The swipe test is where you take your clean finger, and swipe it briskly across the finish with the wax on it. If the paint is clear, without residue where your finger made the swipe, the wax is ready to wipe-off. If the area you have swiped is smudgy, or streaky, or there is noticeable wax in the swipe area, then the wax has not set-up long enough and you should allow more time for the wax to set-up before your remove it.

If you remove it before it has set-up, you will risk removing too much of the wax from the surface and thus leave less than engineered to remain behind on the finish.

Once enough time has passed and your coating of wax swipes clear, remove the wax using a clean, soft premium microfiber polishing cloth.

Just by coincidence, lunch arrived so we took our lunch break to eat some Pizza and talk shop while the wax dries...


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 10:10 PM
After lunch, we performed the Swipe Test and the wax was ready to wipe off, so we wiped it off, then backed the Corvette out of the garage to inspect, but because the sun wasn't around to help highlight the differences, we pulled the Corvette back into the garage as many of the members were eager to see the Meguiar's G-100 Dual Action Polisher (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100) in action and then try their hand at it.


First we covered his wiper arms and blades with a couple of clean microfiber polishing cloths to prevent any splatter from landing on them.


Note: Avoid running the buffer into and over emblems, especially these types as its possible to wear off the black outer coating to expose an unsightly whitish plastic underneath


After a discussing the proper techniques for removing swirls with the G100, John the owner was first to volunteer to give it a spin, (no pun intended), after some hands-on training he was polishing just like a pro!


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 10:20 PM
Because swirls in the paint are the number one complaint by car owners, many people are hesitant, even wary of using any kind of machine on their car's finish. However, the G100 is completely safe when used with the right products and correct techniques.

At Meguiar's Saturday Detailing classes, we offer serious enthusiasts hands-on training


And when we say hands-on, we mean it!


There is no better substitute for real life, hands-on training. We show you how much pressure to apply, which direction to move the polisher, how fast your arm speed needs to be, and the correct OPM setting for each of the different processes involving cleaning, polishing and applying a wax using the G100 Dual Action Polisher. With just a little hands-on demonstration for the above items, you'll be on your own, polishing like a pro in a few minutes!


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 10:25 PM
John was kind enough to let anyone who wanted to try out the G100 to step up to the plate and give their hand a try...


First we went over the entire hood using Meguiar's #80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80) with a W-8006 foam polishing pad on the 5.0 setting.


After everyone had a chance to help polish out the hood and remove the swirls, scratches and water spot etchings, we remove the excess product by hand using Meguiar's Ultimate Wipes, a premium quality microfiber polishing cloth. When you half a dozen people joining in the fun, it doesn't take long to reveal clear, smooth brilliant high gloss finish!


Just like a paint cleaner, or a pure polish, Meguiar's cleaner/polishes like the #80 Speed Glaze do not need to dry after you have applied and worked them in.



Feb 7th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Thank you for your time,tips and treats last Saturday. I now have the confidence to use the G-100 polisher on my car's surface.
I look forward to an advance class or a motorcycle day.

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Hi Rick,

On behalf of Meguiar's, you're very welcome! It was a genuine pleasure meeting and working with everyone that spent their day at Meguiar's for this class!

:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs


Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 11:06 PM
After removing the #Speed Glaze, we then switched to a Meguiar's W-9006 foam finishing pad (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=W-90), turned our variable speed adjuster to the 3.0 setting and applied a thin, uniform application of Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/techwax.cfm)


The combination of the soft foam finishing pad, the slower setting, just a little more than the weight of the machine enables you to lay down a nice, thin, uniform layer of wax over the finish.



Thin coats produce just as good results as a sloppily applied thick coat and removal is a breeze!

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 11:27 PM
While the wax is drying, we discuss how paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes and pure polishes can be removed immediately after applying and working in and why Meguiar's waxes need to dry before removing and how to check using the Swipe Test.


We have applied a microfiber bonnet over a dry buffing pad and then discuss the correct speed setting for removing wax with a bonnet as well as how much pressure to apply to the head of the polisher. For removing wax we recommend the 5.0 setting with 4-5 pounds of downward pressure on the face of the pad.


If you've applied a thin coat you can move the polisher fairly quickly across the finish.


The question comes up, "What do you do when the face of the bonnet begins to fill up with removed wax?" One thing you can do on the fly is to draw your fingernails across the face of the pad while the polisher is turned on. This will act to lift and separate the fibers of the bonnet and also loosen and release built-up wax. You can also reverse the bonnet and use the other side.


The technique for doing the above is to carefully lift the pad of the surface and onto your fingertips so that there is always constant pressure pushing against the face of the pad. Otherwise the pad and the bonnet will simply go flying across the room. Then after you have lightly cleaned the face of the bonnet for a few moments, bring the polisher back down to the panel and transfer the pad from your hand to the surface in one continuous motion so that the pad always has pressure against it.

Feb 7th, 2005, 11:33 PM

Thanks for a great hands on clinic! I was amazed at the results of claying the car. What a difference. I can't wait to try it on my own car this weekend.

I highly recommend this clinic to anyone who has the chance to attend. Pretty simple, easy to follow process to bring a car back to a show room finish.

Great products, great instruction. You both made the members of the corvette forum feel welcomed and your enthusiasm and love of cars showed through out the day.

Thanks again,

Mike Phillips
Feb 7th, 2005, 11:39 PM
After a few demonstrations on correct technique, it was time for members to try their hand at removing the wax by machine!





The G100 equipped with a M9920 Ultimate Bonnet takes all the work out of removing the wax and produces a streak-free, brilliant, high gloss finish that will blow most people away!


Mike Phillips
Feb 8th, 2005, 12:02 AM
After the wax had been removed there was time for some further questions and answers over products and process,


and some close inspection under the florescent lights,


But then it was time to pull the Corvette out and see what the results looked like in outdoor light...



I very nice, deep, reflective glassy look




Mike Phillips
Feb 8th, 2005, 12:03 AM
CorvetteForum at Meguiar's!


Feb 8th, 2005, 07:43 AM
Looks like another very successful clinic, Mike! Great job as always. I need to come in to take a look at some of these new products.

Feb 8th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Hi Mike & Tim -

Had a great time and learned a bunch!! Looking forward to a bike clinic soon.

Thanks Again,

Brian a.k.a BMWGSA

Buffalo Dude
Feb 14th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Looking good :xyxthumbs

Mar 3rd, 2005, 11:47 AM
Looks like you had a great turn out and great results....now when I am pushing all the products on the forum these guys will back me.
Few things I noticed....the C6 emblem looks to have a blemish next to it on the lower left side... also the guy in the Dale Jr jacket PLEASE watch your zipper and buttons.

Apr 10th, 2005, 08:45 AM
Excellent Thread!