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greg0303
Apr 1st, 2011, 07:05 AM
Now we have three types of protection:

1. Waxes
2. Sealants
3. Permanent Coatings.

Permanent coatings become more and more popular. Would you use them on your vehicle(s) ?

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 07:33 AM
I don't think I'll ever use a traditional wax or sealant on my personal cars ever again having had a coating on them for the last 9 or so months. :cruising

TKDDAD
Apr 1st, 2011, 07:50 AM
Rasky, which coating ??

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 08:22 AM
Rasky, which coating ??


I've tried Opti-Coat, CQuartz, and GTechniq C1. I've used Opti-Coat on probably a dozen of my clients cars and so far it's the one I like the most. I have been running my own car through harsh touch-less washes all winter long and it's sill beading very well after about 9 months. I even took lacquer thinner to a spot on the hood (had to remove some greasy substance) and it had no effect on the coating. My car stays noticeably cleaner now, especially in the summer, and washing is a breeze as the light dirt & dust simply rinses away.

If you enjoy waxing the car often then coatings are not really for you. However, if you're like me and struggle to find the time needed to wash and wax your car regularly, then coatings are great!

TKDDAD
Apr 1st, 2011, 08:26 AM
I've tried Opti-Coat, CQuartz, and GTechniq C1. I've used Opti-Coat on probably a dozen of my clients cars and so far it's the one I like the most. I have been running my own car through harsh touch-less washes all winter long and it's sill beading very well after about 9 months. I even took lacquer thinner to a spot on the hood (had to remove some greasy substance) and it had no effect on the coating. My car stays noticeably cleaner now, especially in the summer, and washing is a breeze as the light dirt & dust simply rinses away.

If you enjoy waxing the car often then coatings are not really for you. However, if you're like me and struggle to find the time needed to wash and wax your car regularly, then coatings are great!

Thanks for that information...have you noticed your clients not coming back as often since you started using the coatings ?...I've looked at them too, but I like the therapy that detailing a car gives me...but I wouldn't mind trying it once just to see...

greg0303
Apr 1st, 2011, 08:27 AM
If you enjoy waxing the car often then coatings are not really for you. However, if you're like me and struggle to find the time needed to wash and wax your car regularly, then coatings are great!

Great explanation, Chad. :bigups

I know that you're First Class Expert in applying permanent coatings.

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:32 AM
Thanks for that information...have you noticed your clients not coming back as often since you started using the coatings ?...I've looked at them too, but I like the therapy that detailing a car gives me...but I wouldn't mind trying it once just to see...


Keeping in mind that I only do this part time...


I actually only have a few regular clients that come back for regular maintenance, none of which have opted for the coating yet. Most my clients actually want to learn how to care for or properly maintain the vehicles themselves, and they simply need me to get the paint corrected so that they have a clean slate to work with. I will offer them some "how to" guides via email and answer any questions they may have. I also offer them detailing products at a discount price if they have me work on their car.





Great explanation, Chad. :bigups

I know that you're First Class Expert in applying permanent coatings.


LOL! I'm not so sure my limited experience makes me and expert on coatings, Greg...but thanks. :)

There are a few other detailers who've had more experience then me with them and they have posted lots of good info on some of the other forums. ;)


Rasky

Marc08EX
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:41 AM
I haven't tried this type of product yet but I really want to use this now. I think I'll be migrating to permanent coatings on my own vehicles now and just use my sealants on client's cars.

Rasky, which do you like better? Opti-coat or CQuartz? How many vehicles does each container do?

Also, will Meguiar's come out with this type of product? Spill the beans please!

Jokeman
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:41 AM
I opti-coated the roof of my truck just because its easier than climbing a ladder to wax it constantly. Once the weather gets nicer I will have to check out how it looks since I did it before winter.

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:55 AM
I haven't tried this type of product yet but I really want to use this now. I think I'll be migrating to permanent coatings on my own vehicles now and just use my sealants on client's cars.

Rasky, which do you like better? Opti-coat or CQuartz? How many vehicles does each container do?

Also, will Meguiar's come out with this type of product? Spill the beans please!

I like Opti-Coat better, but both work well.

With a 40cc syringe I can get 4-6 cars done now....at first I was using a little more.

With the CQuartz I used about 2/3 of the bottle on a mid-sized car.

Marc08EX
Apr 1st, 2011, 09:59 AM
I like Opti-Coat better, but both work well.

With a 40cc syringe I can get 4-6 cars done now....at first I was using a little more.

With the CQuartz I used about 2/3 of the bottle on a mid-sized car.

So it seems like the opti-coat is a better buy. Why do you like it better? Are they similar in terms of ease of application? Which do u think is more durable?

Thanks.

greg0303
Apr 1st, 2011, 10:16 AM
Also, will Meguiar's come out with this type of product?

Meguiar's Deep Crystal Nano Coating M188 is available only in Asia (for now) due to their needs for severe weather (acid rains) protection.

Marc08EX
Apr 1st, 2011, 10:26 AM
Meguiar's Deep Crystal Nano Coating M188 is available only in Asia (for now) due to their needs for severe weather (acid rains) protection.

Man I wish they'd sell it here in the United States...

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 11:35 AM
So it seems like the opti-coat is a better buy. Why do you like it better? Are they similar in terms of ease of application? Which do u think is more durable?

Thanks.

I really don't like to speculate on which is better or which will last longer when I haven't done any real hard comparisons.

I applied CQuartz to my wife's car and it was a very st right forward application and I had no issues. However, after leaving it on for a couple months I decided to remove it and go with Opti-Coat simply because I liked the way it repelled, beaded, and sheeted water when compared to CQuartz. This is purely my preference and in no way should be taken that CQ is an inferior product. In fact, you will find several users who prefer the CQ characteristics more.

I also tried applying C1 to a car but had some leveling issues with it, which could have been a result of the high humidity in the shop. I will give this stuff another shot soon too. ;)

As of right now I'd say OC has the edge in the ease of use area as it's not given me any issues yet and it's pretty much a wipe on walk away product like Opti-Seal. The only thing negative I can say about OC is that the syringe is very poor at dispensing the product. I strongly feel that eye protection should be worn with this product and care should be used when pushing down on the plunger. I've found that the rubber gasket inside the syringe can start to stick, possibly from a ring forming inside the walls of the syringe when the cap is off, as the product cures quickly. If the plunger gets sticky, it can, and has result in a sudden gush of product coming out once it breaks free. To help avoid this from happening I will twist the plunger before I press down on it. This seems to help break it free and I have wasted far less product lately as a result of it.


Hope this helps,
Rasky

Marc08EX
Apr 1st, 2011, 11:58 AM
I really don't like to speculate on which is better or which will last longer when I haven't done any real hard comparisons.

I applied CQuartz to my wife's car and it was a very st right forward application and I had no issues. However, after leaving it on for a couple months I decided to remove it and go with Opti-Coat simply because I liked the way it repelled, beaded, and sheeted water when compared to CQuartz. This is purely my preference and in no way should be taken that CQ is an inferior product. In fact, you will find several users who prefer the CQ characteristics more.

I also tried applying C1 to a car but had some leveling issues with it, which could have been a result of the high humidity in the shop. I will give this stuff another shot soon too. ;)

As of right now I'd say OC has the edge in the ease of use area as it's not given me any issues yet and it's pretty much a wipe on walk away product like Opti-Seal. The only thing negative I can say about OC is that the syringe is very poor at dispensing the product. I strongly feel that eye protection should be worn with this product and care should be used when pushing down on the plunger. I've found that the rubber gasket inside the syringe can start to stick, possibly from a ring forming inside the walls of the syringe when the cap is off, as the product cures quickly. If the plunger gets sticky, it can, and has result in a sudden gush of product coming out once it breaks free. To help avoid this from happening I will twist the plunger before I press down on it. This seems to help break it free and I have wasted far less product lately as a result of it.


Hope this helps,
Rasky

Thanks for sharing your opinion and experience with both products.

So do you let this product dry to a haze and then remove it (like a wax/sealant)? Or do you need to wipe it off while wet (like a polish)? I just haven't been exposed to this kind of products yet and I haven't seen any videos of anybody showing how to apply the product. This product has definitely caught my eye but I'm new to permanent paint coatings...

Thanks again!

Shawn T.
Apr 1st, 2011, 12:56 PM
I like waxing too much to use a permanent coating!

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 01:52 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion and experience with both products.

So do you let this product dry to a haze and then remove it (like a wax/sealant)? Or do you need to wipe it off while wet (like a polish)? I just haven't been exposed to this kind of products yet and I haven't seen any videos of anybody showing how to apply the product. This product has definitely caught my eye but I'm new to permanent paint coatings...

Thanks again!

No. Opti-Coat goes on just like Opti-Seal. You may need to lightly buff some heavy areas to even it out, but for the most part you should only have to apply it and walk away. The pro version of OC cures very quickly and any light buffing is done within the first 15-30 seconds. I apply it one panel at a time and immediately level out and heavy areas using very little to no pressure...basically I just glide the towel over it and that's enough to smooth it out. The consumer version cures slower and has a larger window where you can level things out.

I'll see if I can get a video of the application this weekend as I plan to give my car a spring detail, but time is going to be tight so we'll see.


Rasky

Mark58
Apr 1st, 2011, 05:12 PM
Opti_coat at 60 bucks for 20cc
20cc = 2/3 oz
Is it that good?

RaskyR1
Apr 1st, 2011, 05:49 PM
Opti_coat at 60 bucks for 20cc
20cc = 2/3 oz
Is it that good?

Yes. ;)

20oz should do two cars.

Mark58
Apr 1st, 2011, 06:13 PM
Yes. ;)

20oz should do two cars.

20 oz? or 20cc?

I think you meant 20cc.:)

Thanks, need to get rid of more swirls before I try. Doing this on my Raven Black caddy has me somewhat concerned.

Sal329
Apr 3rd, 2011, 01:24 PM
I want to use this on wifes car, my car I like to use to test products, I would offer this to select customers

jwrsxts
Apr 3rd, 2011, 08:39 PM
Can you apply wax or sealant on top of Opti-Coat?

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:29 AM
Can you apply wax or sealant on top of Opti-Coat?

You could but you don't need to at all.

Opti-Coat is like a second clear coat. You still need to wash your car regularly but that's all what is needed, no polishing, no waxing.

rapport25
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:34 AM
Have you tried this opti-coat Greg?

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:41 AM
Have you tried this opti-coat Greg?

Not yet.

But I took Optimum Polymer Technology class during Detail Fest and Joe Fernandez (Superior Shine) applied it as a demonstration.

It just became available to public like 10 days ago (version 2.0). Original one had quicker curing time and was only for registered pros.

Once you apply Opti Coat 2.0 is permanently there. The only way to remove it, is to buff it out. The surface has to be in really good shape to lock it.

rapport25
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:45 AM
Not yet.

But I took Optimum Polymer Technology class during Detail Fest and Joe Fernandez (Superior Shine) applied it as a demonstration.

It just became available to public like 10 days ago (version 2.0). Original one had quicker curing time and was only for registered pros.

Once you apply Opti Coat 2.0 is permanently there. The only way to remove it is to buff it out. The surface has to be in really good shape to lock it.

Mmmm I like. Any more info on the spec and price?

Off topic, Is that your dog and car I see in your avatar?

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:50 AM
Mmmm I like. Any more info on the spec and price?

Off topic, Is that your dog and car I see in your avatar?

AutoGeek has it exclusively in US for now:
http://autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

20cc should be enough for 4-6 vehicles (depending on their size).

That's my dog: white short-haired German Sheppard inside my X3.

rapport25
Apr 4th, 2011, 04:57 AM
AutoGeek has it exclusively in US for now:
http://autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

20cc should be enough for 4-6 vehicles (depending on their size).

That's my dog: white short-haired German Sheppard inside my X3.

Thanks Greg, Nice ride and dog :bigups. I guess it was your black beauty that got detailed recently?.

One of my friends has a white long-haired german sheppard. I have a chuncky Choc Brown Labrador. And a Labradoodle.

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 05:05 AM
Thanks Greg, Nice ride and dog :bigups. I guess it was your black beauty that got detailed recently?.

One of my friends has a white long-haired german sheppard. I have a chuncky Choc Brown Labrador. And a Labradoodle.

Thanks, Rappy.

Labradors/ labradoodles are absolutely great dogs.

Actually it's a different X3: Deep Sea Blue Metallic. I gave it Ultimate Polish/ Ultimate Liquid Wax treatment last weekend. Will post pics soon.

rapport25
Apr 4th, 2011, 05:16 AM
Thanks, Rappy.

Labradors/ labradoodles are absolutely great dogs.

Actually it's a different X3: Deep Sea Blue Metallic. I gave it Ultimate Polish/ Ultimate Liquid Wax treatment last weekend. Will post pics soon.

Yes they are great family pets. Chuncky Choc Lab is 11 and the labradoodle is 9 mths and bloody crazy!!!

Look forward to the pics Greg. I have not got round to trying the Ultimate Polish and wax on my black VW yet.

I have an old Jag to work on next week. Will post some before and after pics. I have a fair bit of wet sanding to removing scratches and scuffs from the bumpers.

Also a Honda Civic Type R in black in a few weeks "swirl city" . Again i will post some pics.

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Looking forward to your detailing projects.

Almost every New York car has bumpers badly scratched due to close vehicle to vehicle parking. Many owners use bumper protection to avoid costly repainting.

Larry A
Apr 4th, 2011, 05:44 AM
Why doesent Meguiars sell there perament coating 188 here? If it sells in Asia it should sell here. Why would a American company see there best stuff only in a foreign country?

RaskyR1
Apr 4th, 2011, 06:17 AM
AutoGeek has it exclusively in US for now:
http://autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

20cc should be enough for 4-6 vehicles (depending on their size).

That's my dog: white short-haired German Sheppard inside my X3.

20cc will probably do 2-3 vehicles. ;)

I get the 40cc syringes and get 4-6 cars out of them. :)

greg0303
Apr 4th, 2011, 07:21 AM
20cc will probably do 2-3 vehicles. ;)

I get the 40cc syringes and get 4-6 cars out of them. :)

Oooops, I got it wrong.

Whatever Chad says it lasts, that's what it is.

stephensdetail
Jun 8th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Meguiar's Deep Crystal Nano Coating M188 is available only in Asia (for now) due to their needs for severe weather (acid rains) protection.



just searched for this product and found some info on it. it seems to have good protection against acid rain but it is recommended to apply 2 times each year. most sealants now a days need to be applied like 3 times a year. so hopefully when it hits the U.S.A. the price will be around same price as the sealants that are out on the market now

Meguiar's Center Indonesia (http://www.facebook.com/meguiarsindo)
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.483653932835.268325.44744082835