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ahs483
Jun 5th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Hi Guys. So once I wash my car and then clay bar it, do i need to use a paint cleaner before I use a polish, and then wax? Or can I skip the paint cleaner?? Also, would the paint cleaner be used all over or just on parts that need it? Anyone who can clear this up, I would greatly appreciate it!! thanks!

greg0303
Jun 5th, 2011, 08:40 AM
Welcome to Meguiar's Online. :wavey

5-Step paint care:

1. Wash/ Clay (if needed, if bonded contaminants present on paint surface)
2. Cleaning
3. Polishing (optional step)
4. Protection/ Waxing
5. Maintain - keep your paint surface in good shape by using quick detailer and spray wax.

If you clay your vehicle and use a pre-wax cleaner then you'll ensure better bonding between wax and your paint surface resulting in longer protection.

Polishing is an optional step and mostly rewarding on dark colored cars by adding wet-look effect. It's not necessary to do it but if you're willing to perform full 3-step paint correction you can include polishing step.

Paint cleaner goes first, before paint polish, but if you just have isolated problems then just use it on those areas. ScratchX 2.0 is an excellent paint cleaner for those isolated problems.

ahs483
Jun 5th, 2011, 08:57 AM
I see. Thank you for clearing that up!!

Murr1525
Jun 5th, 2011, 09:49 AM
A product like Ultimate Polish or SwirlX will have cleaning ability and polishing oils, so you still get the oils for your paint to stay healthy, etc.

Marc08EX
Jun 5th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Hi Guys. So once I wash my car and then clay bar it, do i need to use a paint cleaner before I use a polish, and then wax? Or can I skip the paint cleaner?? Also, would the paint cleaner be used all over or just on parts that need it? Anyone who can clear this up, I would greatly appreciate it!! thanks!

It really depends on the condition of your paint. If you have a lot of defects/swirls/scratches then using a paint cleaner is a good idea to remove below the surface defects and prep it up for your polishing/waxing steps. If your paint is swirl free or has very minimal amount of swirls then it would be ok to skip the paint cleaner and apply your pure polish or even skip to the wax.

Giorgi
Aug 7th, 2011, 01:52 PM
What is general paint cleaner? what is the difference between cleaning and polishing?

Murr1525
Aug 7th, 2011, 02:24 PM
The 'general' paint cleaners would be something mild like SwirLX or Ult. Polish.

Different companies use different terms so it can get confusing. We try to stick with the Meguiars terms here of course. That would mean:

- Cleaning - A paint cleaner will remove the dirt from the pores/imperfections of the paint, and if strong enough, can remove swirls, scratches, etc.
- Polishing - A polish will add oils to the surface to moisturize the paint, and temporarily help fill imperfections to create more gloss.

chrisalvarez
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:20 PM
hi im new to the forum and i also have a question about this subject. so i understand the steps cleaning, polishing etc. but do u have to do all these steps everytime you wash or just before waxing is involved ? thanks i hope someone can help i just would like to think its not necessary to spend hours of labor everytime you clean your vehichles

Murr1525
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:27 PM
No, if you just wash, you just wash.

You could just use a good car wash soap like Gold Class, and stop there. Or you could use something like the Ultimate Wash and Wax to add some wax back.

Or you could use a soap like the Gold Class, and then use a spray wax like the Ult. Spray Wax after.

IrishStout
Jul 3rd, 2012, 01:53 PM
I'll chime in with a few inquiries too.

Once all the steps are complete, would you repeat this process in full monthy or every few months or could you wash polish and wax over the previous full detail?

My car is new. I've purchased the Ultimate compound, and Ultimate polish. Is the Ultimate compound too much for new car paint? I certainly don't want to damage the paint.

Murr1525
Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:17 PM
Once all the steps are complete, would you repeat this process in full monthy or every few months or could you wash polish and wax over the previous full detail?

Well, you could do a full detail every week (and a few people do), but that would drive most of us crazy. If you wash every week or so, and use a spray wax after, your 'full detail' should last a couple months at least. And then you can polish and wax again when you feel like it.


My car is new. I've purchased the Ultimate compound, and Ultimate polish. Is the Ultimate compound too much for new car paint? I certainly don't want to damage the paint

Well, I wouldnt use UC if it wasnt needed. What sort of damage/defects does the paint have right now?

Marc08EX
Jul 3rd, 2012, 02:18 PM
You only need to clean and polish the paint as necessary. When you don't have any defects to remove, you can do the following to your car:

Quick Detail your car to remove light dust. You can use Ultimate Quik Detailer (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4616).
Wash your car using any of Meguiar's car soap.
Wash and Quik Wax your car. You can use Ultimate Quik Wax (http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4812).
Wash and wax your car. You can use Ultimate Wax, NXT 2.0 or any wax you like.


Claying is used when you have bonded surface contaminants. If your paint is rough and you don't have swirls/defects, then you can just wash --> clay --> wax.

The Ultimate Compound and Ultimate Polish is used when you have swirls and defects in your paint. Ultimate Compound is more aggressive than Ultimate Polish. What that means is that UC will remove more severe defects than Ultimate Polish. If your car has very minor defects then you might get away with UP especially since it's a new car. But if your car has severe swirls then UC might be needed. Ultimate Compounded is clear coat safe.

IrishStout
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:54 PM
I have noticed that the hood has holograms. I've also seen some very fine scratches in some areas from settled dust being wiped off I guess. The car is new, but is a left over 2011 model so who knows what happened while sitting on the lot for a year.

Marc08EX
Jul 3rd, 2012, 05:04 PM
Can you please post a picture?

If your hood has holograms from a rotary buffer, it'll be best to start with Ultimate Compound and use Ultimate Polish afterwards.

The best way to find out what will work best is for you to try the products yourself in a small test spot. Using what product depends on the paint itself on top of various other factors.

BillE
Jul 4th, 2012, 04:16 AM
No need to re-do everything that often.

If the surface is maintained well, the use of a 'compound' can be a once a year (if even that) job.

Polish/Wax every 3 months or so. That is really your call, do ya want to do it.

Using something like Ultimate Quik Wax after washing will do wonders for keeping things looking good.

Bill

IrishStout
Jul 5th, 2012, 10:32 AM
Thanks all. I'll post a pic when I get the cleaned. It's been way too hot here to do much of anything. My house has full sun until late evening.

I like the every 3 month approach. What is the best method to remove old wax? Or is that not necessary too often too. Do most folks strip the old wax before polish and re-wax?

Murr1525
Jul 5th, 2012, 10:50 AM
No, not much need for old wax removal.