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Michael Stoops
Apr 2nd, 2012, 08:27 PM
Ultimate Waterless Wash & Wax - Tips & Tricks (https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?54112-Ultimate-Wash-amp-Wax-Anywhere-Tips-amp-Tricks)

Those who have tried our new Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere have given it rave reviews. In fact, at the recent Autogeek Detail Fest it was rated tops among all the waterless wash products tested during a demo on this product segment.

But some people are still a bit leery of the process, certain that picking up that much dirt is going to scratch their paint. The following process, and slight variations on it, should alleviate those fears and help you to maximize the results with this product.

Just a reminder: UWWA is not a quick detail spray but rather a true waterless wash. While QD sprays are great for removing light dust and fingerprints they quickly become overwhelmed by a seriously dirty car. UWWA can handle a car that is far dirtier than what you would ever consider using a typical QD on, but of course you don't want to try removing really heavy stuff, like if you've been off roading in your 4x4! Heavy road salt in winter should be knocked down at a coin operated wash bay, with the remainder safely removed with proper use of UWWA.

So, while the delivery system (spray on) is identical to a QD spray, since you're working on a much dirtier car it should not surprise you to learn that you should more product here. But you don't really need to flood the surface as UWWA contains some highly effective emulsifiers and will encapsulate the dirt and help the microfiber towel to pull it into the towel and away from the paint. Expect to get 3 to 5 real "washes" from a single bottle of UWWA. Compare that to 3 to 5 trips to the car wash and suddenly it looks downright frugal to go with this option!

At a recent Thursday Night Open Garage there was a lot of discussion surrounding UWWA so we took the opportunity to do a quick demo, and the pix we grabbed in the process should paint a pretty clear picture as to proper, and therefore safe, use.

To start, grab your bottle of UWWA and a few clean microfiber towels. You're going to need three or four, or maybe half a dozen or more.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_047.jpg

Fold your first towel into quarters or, as we do here, into eighths, and spray UWWA onto the surface a bit heavier than you would a typical QD spray. We're going a bit heavier here just so you can more clearly see the product on the paint.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_048.jpg

Work an area no more than maybe half the panel size to maintain control of the cleaning.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_050.jpg

Starting with the towel flat to the paint, move it across the area you've sprayed down in a linear motion.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_052.jpg

The leading edge of the towel will pick up the bulk of the dirt from the surface of the paint.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_054.jpg

Now lift the leading edge of the towel as you move over the paint immediately next to your first swipe. This keeps the dirt you've just picked up away from the paint, allowing a clean portion of the towel to pick up the dirt in this path.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_056.jpg

Two passes, two stripes of removed dirt.
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_058.jpg

With the towel rolled even further back, a third pass is made.....
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_060.jpg

.... and a third stripe of dirt is created. (the first one is on the part of the towel being held by the thumb here)
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/1971/UWWA_061.jpg

Once you've wiped down the area you sprayed with UWWA, using this method of lifting the leading edge of the towel, go back over the whole area with a second, clean and dry microfiber towel to fully dry the area. Now spray a new area with UWWA and repeat the process, unfolding the first towel to a clean portion. With the towel folded in eighths you'll have plenty of clean sides to turn to as you work around the car. Don't worry about the towel becoming fairly damp with product as you go; remember, you're using a second towel as final drying towel.

Now, as that first towel becomes soiled to the point where you're no longer able to reveal a fresh area to wipe over the paint (this is where your judgement comes in, so let common sense be your friend here) then it's time to stop using that first towel and toss it into the laundry. Upgrade your drying towel to cleaning towel status, and grab a third towel to use for drying subsequent areas. Continue cycling towels through this way, moving your drying towel to wash duty as the wash towel gets tossed into the laundry, and you'll end up with a completely clean car that has a slick, just waxed feel to it. With a clean drying towel you shouldn't worry about streaking at all, and if you use this method with some common sense you won't be inflicting any swirls in your paint, either.

There are a couple of options to the above method:

On your initial cleaning wipe, start with the towel flat against the paint and pull the leading edge up and away from the paint as you wipe. This sort of rolling up of the leading edge as you go will prevent the build up of dirt in a line on the towel and may require you to flip to a fresh side of the towel more often. If this works better for you, great, go with it. Piece of mind plays a big role here, and if this fits your comfort level better, that's fine with us.
This one is a bit more complicated but we found it interesting nonetheless: fold your cleaning towel in half, then roll it up into a long "bar". Wipe across the area you've wetted with UWWA and then slighly unroll the "bar" a little bit for each subsequent wipe. This can be a bit fiddly, but again, if it works for you then by all means have at it.

With any of these three slight tweaks to the process you'll always be wiping the paint with a clean portion of the towel, and since microfiber does such an excellent job of grabbing and holding on to small dirt particles, marring of the surface is really not a concern. Do this carefully and you can wash the entire car in a matter of minutes, without a hose and bucket.

andytsang
Apr 2nd, 2012, 08:46 PM
Thank a lot for the tip about rolling the towel. I learn so much from this forum. Thanks.

Scott's 62
Apr 2nd, 2012, 08:59 PM
Thank you Mike! for the tips I just used UWWA yesterday it was great, it was nice not getting the hose and buckets out I will be using this more often. my car was slick and shiny in the sun today.

ethereal45
Apr 2nd, 2012, 09:04 PM
Great post, very informative.

RBBTCAR
Apr 2nd, 2012, 09:57 PM
Thanks for the tip... very helpfull!!!

umi000
Apr 3rd, 2012, 12:12 AM
Good post Mike - illustrates well how much product you need to use (I think a lot of people still have the QD mindset of two sprays per panel), as well as how to use your towels, such that you don't use up too many but still have a fresh surface with each wipe - two key points with waterless washes.

ahooah48444
Apr 3rd, 2012, 05:39 AM
So if your car want too dirty to start with, can you go lighter on UWWA and treat it as a QD? I know its more expensive to use UWWA instead of QD, but heard its a heck of a detailer. Also, is it safe for all surfaces (glass, chrome, stainless, rubber, vinyl)?

saturn2
Apr 3rd, 2012, 06:17 AM
Great product you should come out with a gallon size for people not willing or able to use the detailer line product.

Marc08EX
Apr 3rd, 2012, 07:16 AM
Thanks for the excellent technique and write-up on how to properly use a microfiber towel when cleaning with a waterless wash. The pictures on how much product to use is also very helpful.

Shawn T.
Apr 3rd, 2012, 11:13 AM
Very nice!

I posted something similar to AutoGeek Online and got flamed up pretty well: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/30611-my-qd-spray-wax-technique-many-pics.html

This is before waterless washes were as big as they are now.

BillyJack
Apr 3rd, 2012, 11:56 AM
Very nice!

I posted something similar to AutoGeek Online and got flamed up pretty well: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/30611-my-qd-spray-wax-technique-many-pics.html

This is before waterless washes were as big as they are now.

Yeah, I remember that thread. That was one of those "Can't see the forest for the trees" situations. Your point was the process, not the product and it was lost.
Anyway, good concept! My supplies haven't dwindled enough yet to try the new Meg's stuff, but I'm very familiar with both the Optimum and Griot's products. Using the whole mf towel rather than just the leading edge is a good way to get the job done without soiling a bundle of towels.
Thanks for sharing!

Bill

Michael Stoops
Apr 5th, 2012, 03:08 PM
So if your car want too dirty to start with, can you go lighter on UWWA and treat it as a QD? I know its more expensive to use UWWA instead of QD, but heard its a heck of a detailer. Also, is it safe for all surfaces (glass, chrome, stainless, rubber, vinyl)?
You're spot on here - it does work absolutely fantastic as a QD but it is a bit pricey if you're going to use it that way all the time. And, yes, it's safe for use on all the surfaces you mention.

smack
Apr 15th, 2012, 06:29 PM
Used this stuff yesterday on my commuter and was pleased with the results. This stuff is really slick and adds a nice wax not to mention it smells really good!

Motorsports-X
Apr 18th, 2012, 07:45 AM
for what this stuff cost, i think ill stick with a good 2 bucket wash. honestly i think washing the car would be less work! considering 95% of the water sheets off the car anyways with the rinse, there is very little wiping. im really digging the ultimate wash and wax and im sure this uwwa works great as well, but pending a storm and 30 degrees outside, for me the wash is preferable.

Michael Stoops
Apr 18th, 2012, 12:09 PM
for what this stuff cost, i think ill stick with a good 2 bucket wash. honestly i think washing the car would be less work! considering 95% of the water sheets off the car anyways with the rinse, there is very little wiping. im really digging the ultimate wash and wax and im sure this uwwa works great as well, but pending a storm and 30 degrees outside, for me the wash is preferable.
We certainly don't expect everyone to switch away from a proper two bucket wash and use UWWA instead. But for those who live in an apartment complex where a hose just isn't available, or in an area where water restrictions make it illegal to wash in your own driveway (that happens more often than you might think!) then UWWA is a great alternative to running to the local car wash. And in the long run, it's actually cheaper than going that route as well.

Poki
Apr 18th, 2012, 01:19 PM
No matter how well I dry my car after a normal water wash,,,soon as I drive it there are dribbles of water running out of cracks and messing up a perfect wash. That won't happen with this product!!

smack
Apr 18th, 2012, 01:27 PM
No matter how well I dry my car after a normal water wash,,,soon as I drive it there are dribbles of water running out of cracks and messing up a perfect wash. That won't happen with this product!!

Thats for sure!! I love this new product. Will be moving away from the hose a bit more now.

Motorsports-X
Apr 18th, 2012, 06:48 PM
No matter how well I dry my car after a normal water wash,,,soon as I drive it there are dribbles of water running out of cracks and messing up a perfect wash. That won't happen with this product!!

that hardly ever happens to me.. but mainly because i let the thing sit for hours after i detail it LOL. guess that the benefit of having dos veh

ExcessiveMobile
May 2nd, 2012, 03:30 PM
UWWA is great, and I am a HUGE Meguiars fan. I have found that Ultima waterless is far cheaper. $20 for a bottle and it makes about 5 gallons of waterless wash. I wish Meguiars would make something like this. I would def switch.

W211E320
Dec 11th, 2012, 02:05 AM
Thanks for the detailed explanation how to use! Think this is a product where you have to take care to avoid scratches by using it in the right way.

Normally I wash my car with Meguiars Soft Wash Gel - followed by UQD or UQW - dependening on what is neccessary at the moment - but UW&WA is a real good product to use in situations I can't wash the car using the "normal way" (on Sunday; after a long ride and no time for further action a.s.o.).

Show 'N' Shine Car Detailing
Mar 31st, 2013, 05:59 AM
Just my .02 worth. I just started using this product this year, 2013. This product does what it says and is amazing. Even if you don't or aren't doing a full detail and just want that quick wash and wax, then this is the stuff. It's easy to use, goes on great, comes off great and smells great. Doing on panel at a time, spraying on, wipe off, move to next panel. I've used it on every surface, wheels, trims, glass, etc, and it's works great.

Unless the car is heavily soiled, then you'd used a hose to knock down the heavier stuff, but could still go back and finish the car with the UWAWA.

Picked up 2 more bottles of it just yesterday! If you haven't tried it, get it.

vrodri16
Apr 4th, 2013, 07:05 AM
Just my .02 worth. I just started using this product this year, 2013. This product does what it says and is amazing. Even if you don't or aren't doing a full detail and just want that quick wash and wax, then this is the stuff. It's easy to use, goes on great, comes off great and smells great. Doing on panel at a time, spraying on, wipe off, move to next panel. I've used it on every surface, wheels, trims, glass, etc, and it's works great.

Unless the car is heavily soiled, then you'd used a hose to knock down the heavier stuff, but could still go back and finish the car with the UWAWA.

Picked up 2 more bottles of it just yesterday! If you haven't tried it, get it.



I was wondering if it was smart to wash off any contaminations with a hose before using UWWA. Where I live its impossible to not park under an oak tree. When it rains the run off from the trees leaves some nasty stuff. I thought about the outcome of pre-rinsing the car two ways.

1. Good Scenario: The harmful stuff is eased off with a quick rinse from some H2O. Therefore lowering the risk of damaging the finish when using UWWA.

2. Bad Scenario: The H2O standing on the vehicle dilutes the UWWA just enough too prevent it from doing what its meant to do.

I'm pretty sure that the outcome would be numero uno, but still could use some reassurance.

Murr1525
Apr 4th, 2013, 07:36 AM
Well, a rinse would at least get the loose stuff off, which only helps.

As long as you were able to get around your car fast enough that water spotting didnt become an issue.

veeedub
Apr 9th, 2013, 09:05 PM
Would it be alright to do this method with UQD?
Like a couple days after a detail, and my car has light dust on it? (its been windy in socal)

vrodri16
Apr 9th, 2013, 09:45 PM
Would it be alright to do this method with UQD?
Like a couple days after a detail, and my car has light dust on it? (its been windy in socal)

It might work. I would still recommend UWWA just for the better lubrication properties. Im sure others will chime in to steer you in the right direction.

davey g-force
Apr 9th, 2013, 10:34 PM
Would it be alright to do this method with UQD?
Like a couple days after a detail, and my car has light dust on it? (its been windy in socal)

Depends on how dirty the car is.

If it's only very light dust, then yes.

Marc08EX
Apr 10th, 2013, 05:43 AM
I use this method when I quick detail my car. However, you can only use QD on light dust as Davey pointed out.

STRIFE
Apr 10th, 2013, 02:18 PM
I have 7 bottles of UWWA, and while i liked the idea of pulling out the hose before using UWWA or UQD/QD..etc
I find if i were to drag out the hose, why not use RFEW or ONR? To me the use of a hose defeats the whole idea/concept of UWWA...just my opinion

vrodri16
Apr 10th, 2013, 02:30 PM
I have 7 bottles of UWWA, and while i liked the idea of pulling out the hose before using UWWA or UQD/QD..etc
I find if i were to drag out the hose, why not use RFEW or ONR? To me the use of a hose defeats the whole idea/concept of UWWA...just my opinion

Some of us don't have the luxury of having a place to wash our cars because of where we reside. In my case I "hosed" my car off at local car wash. I live in an apartment complex so pulling out the old hose and bucket is out of the question. I wanted to be extra careful and rinse off anything really gnarly before apply UWWA.

W211E320
Apr 18th, 2013, 01:06 AM
So if your car want too dirty to start with, can you go lighter on UWWA and treat it as a QD? I know its more expensive to use UWWA instead of QD, but heard its a heck of a detailer. Also, is it safe for all surfaces (glass, chrome, stainless, rubber, vinyl)?

I do this way more and more - but in Germany UQD is more expensive than UWAWA - UQD 650ml 19,90 UWAWA 769ml 17,90€.

vrodri16
May 4th, 2013, 07:07 PM
http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r786/vrodri16/20130504_181726_HDR01_zps9f3fca24.jpg

Here is a quick pic of my results with UWWA on the body and rims. I used some Ultimate Protectant on the tires Thanks megs for the great products.

Funny story. The guy who manages the car wash I borrowed the shade from loved and hated how it turned out. He I noticed pulled straight to the shaded area, ignoring the wash station all together. He loved how great the car came out but asked that I don't let any of his other customers know my "secret product". He was fine with me since I fed the vacuum some quarters.

davey g-force
May 5th, 2013, 01:16 PM
^^ That looks really good. I love the way UP makes your tires look. :xyxthumbs