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Paddington
May 4th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Im frustrated and dissapointed of Meguiar`s Norwegian importer.

I found them on the net first , and then called them to ask where i could buy the products they then reffered me to a shop whom i live close buy. I went there but there was no products there at all, i asked the guy at the counter he said they didnt want to sell Meguiar`s anymore.
Not the importes fault i know but point is on the phone the importer said that if there was any products that they didnt have at that shop i could drop buy their building and get it there. So i decided to drive there its not to far so not a big deal going there either, but then it was noone there!! I thought ok maybe they had to go somewhere or something so i decided to go back another day.
But first i went buy this other company called Dekkamann who has a car care senter with your products, to try to get what i wanted there but just a few products in that shop aswell. I asked for the Clay bar set but they didnt have it.I did buy a few products. couldnt stand to go home empty handed hehe.
So i decided to drive back today but again noone there :(
Frustrating since they said just to drop buy and buy the products i needed. So first meeting with Meguiars has been a little frustrating.
www.meguiars.no is the web site and if you can get thru the norwegian language and see the product line is not much to show for yet. they dont even have the new nxt line sadly.
Forbruker produkter = consumer products> bilpleie and you will see the product line.
Another thing is its very expencive they clay set is 3 times more expensive wonder why.

But i am not giving up on them hehe
Maybe they just started here in Norway? i dont know. i like that they have the g-100 though.. its listed under proffesional products only for some reason.
I hope i dont sound like im whining to much its not my intention.
I just hope it will get better from here.
Will you come and do detail classes for us in Norway aswell? You are very welcome to do so :)
buy buy for now

ps sorry if its lot of spelling errors and weird language

Mike Phillips
May 4th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Hi Paddington,

I'm sorry to hear of your disappointment and experience. My field of expertise is not in shipping and distribution, but I do know there are hurdles to jump over when bringing products from America to another country.

I'll pass this on to Tom MacDonald as well as Customer Care and see if they have any information on this topic.

Tom MacDonald
May 4th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Thanks for taking the time to give feedback regarding your dissappointing journey to find products in your area. I am sorry for the trouble you experienced. I have forwarded this information to the international division at Meguiar's to look into. If you continue to have trouble finding products in your area contact me at the following e-mail address tmacdonald@meguiars.com for further assistance.

Kindest regards,

Tom

Paddington
May 4th, 2005, 11:58 PM
Yeah i guess bringing the products here requiers translating the labels and maybe the gouverment has to approve them in some way?
Thanks for your respond guys.
If i cant find them here i have an alternetive in that my sister lives in Atlanta so i can order to her house and she sends the products here hehe.

Tom MacDonald
May 5th, 2005, 02:52 PM
ordering products on line and having them shipped to your sisters Atlanta address may be the best solution at this moment. If I hear something back from Internation division regarding this I will post it on this thread.

:xyxthumbs

Tom

Paddington
May 5th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Thx your service is great.
Guess I will get it thru my sister as for now.

Paddington
May 10th, 2005, 02:21 PM
I solved this today I found out that its 2importers one for the pro line and one for the consumer line. And the one i went too was the pro guy.
Today I called the other company and got my things . Had too drive 45 min. back and forth though.
But they gave me 15% discount atleast for the trouble of going all the way there.
The products sure get pricey here quick clay detail system is 45$ !!!
It will be much cheaper to get it thru my sister but i didnt have the time to wait this time.
Needed to clay and wax hehe.
I bought clay set ,nxt wash and nxt wax. Costed me 114$
lol talk about price jump.:wall:

David Pykett
May 11th, 2005, 03:16 AM
Hi Paddington, my name is David Pykett and I am the Meguiar's representative responsible for working with both Norsk Prol and Panvulk for the sale of our products in Norway.

I am glad that you were able to find our products and get what you were looking for and am sorry about the confusion that you experienced.

Should you have any difficulty in the future finding anything in Norway, please feel free to contact me directly.

Mike Phillips
May 11th, 2005, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by dpykett
Hi Paddington, my name is David Pykett and I am the Meguiar's representative responsible for working with both Norsk Prol and Panvulk for the sale of our products in Norway.

Hi David,

Good to see you online! Welcome aboard! :wavey

Wingsof66
May 23rd, 2005, 04:55 AM
Hi yawl.

I can unfortunately, only agree with the experienses Paddington have had with the importers of Meguiars in Norway. They are hard to get a hold of, other than on phone and expensive.
As mentioned before, Norsk Prol have the pro-stuff and Panvulk the stuff for us "normal" people.
I think both companies only have Meguiars as a "bi-product" and they are mainly focused on other things.
I first met Meguiars-products on a stand Norsk Prol had at an auto-show and was quite impressed. I ordered 5 products, the Diamond-cut, Polish, Sealer and 2 polish-pads. 2 first bottles was regular size (not gallon) and the Sealer was small. This totaled about 280 dollar back in 2001. On question about the high prize, ( about 4 times higher than the next leading brand, Auto Glym)
the sales agent said that it was because they lasted longer and you didn't have to use so much each time.
I honestly thought they where so expensive untill I looked around online.
Since 2001 I have now acuired Meguiars-products that would have costed around 2500.- dollars if bought by the agents in Norway.
I sold about half of all my products to friends, for less than half the price of what the dealers here in Norway charge, and I still made a good profit.
I can recommend Ebay as a good source, in addition to the European Meguiars site.

Sincerely, Erik

Paddington
May 23rd, 2005, 05:52 AM
Yeah their prices are sky high on many of the items.
In the future i will buy my Meg. products elsewhere.

Another example is the G-100 priced at $225.95 at the online shop in US they wanted 5800NOK for it here in Norway thats about $950!!!!!!
Thats from the pro products guy though.
I did however wash, clay and wax my car with NXT yeasterday and I am very happy with the result :D
Not so sure if its a bi-product for them I keep seeing a car with Meguiar`s adds all over it.
The consumer company said they have had the products for 3 years but I know its a tough market with lots of competition so I guess it takes time to build the name up.

Tom Erik

Tanat198
May 23rd, 2005, 08:38 AM
Paddington
Nowaday i ask my friend in NY to order online and ship to me. With that, not only can i get everything i want. I can enjoy a small saving as well. ( Even an expensive airfrieght i have to content with) But at the end of the day, i can use several products in a quantity and price I am happy with. I think this is probably the best way for MEG lovers like ourselves.

Good luck.

Wingsof66
May 31st, 2005, 02:48 PM
Hi again.
Paddington, if you live close by to either Drammen or Oslo (Roea) you should see their van frequently, since they have their office and warehouses there.. lol.
I also see it every now and then, because one of their employees live closeby..
If you look on the site to "Norsk Prol" you can see that Meguiar's is only one part of their product-line, so maybe they're not putting so much effort in selling their products. After 3 years in selling Meguiar's-products, they should be having enough market share to lower their prices. Instead they have increased almost 60%. From 76 dollar for a bottle #83 DACP 320z, when I bought mine 3 years ago, untill 127 dollar today.
Remember those American-style retractible camping/hunting-chairs that came on the market a few years ago. They where around 80-100 dollars a piece to begin with, and now you can get them for around 20-30 dollars.
I believe that Meguiar's is such a good product, that it would sell itself, if advertised properly. At least it does so with the small amount I'm importing for me and friends/fellow car-enthusiasts.
Only having a stand at car-shows or drive around in a van with Meguiar's-stickers doesen't really reach the big masses.
Another thought is that maybe Norsk Prol mainly sell to car-detailers, and Panvulk are mainly delivering to car-sales companies.. They usually don't look so close on invoices as we single individuals do..

I've given this issue a lot of thoughts lately and I really want to start up as a distributor here in Norway. Focusing only on Meguiar's. My main goal will be to have Meguiar's products out to every Gas-station and Auto-parts stores in Norway.
I know this involves a lot of time and money to start with, including going to USA to learn more about the product (on my own tab, off course), but I'm really willing to give it a try. If Mr Phillips would maybe, help me in the right direction. A person I could contact, as a beginning, please.
I'll be happy to give all my "states" away..

Per-Erik.

zipperno
May 31st, 2005, 03:53 PM
Wingsof66/Per-Erik

Norsk Prol And Panvulk are official importers for Meguiars in Norway. They are supported by Meguiars Europe, "owned" by Meguiars USA. I dont think they want several importers to the same country.

If you read the closed threads in this section youll know how they "behave" on these issues. They dont even want us to buy stuff from Meguiars.com either......they dont ship outside USA.

After I started the "too pricey.." thread I was contacted by Norsk Prol AS. They wanted to offer me a discount on all proffesional products. But even with a 15% discount their prices are too high.

I ordered lots of Meguiars products from a Megs dealer in USA and Im saving loads of money this way. Its easy to get these products online, if you use an adress in the US.

I feel Norsk Prol and Panvulk are not doing a good job with Meguiars in Norway. When I mention Meguiars to my friends, they dont even know what Im talking about. Even they who have heard about it, has never "seen" the products available. Turtle Wax, Autoglym, Simoniz, Sonax etc. you get on every corner, but Meguiars is impossible to find....

Ill guess I have to market these products by myself......

//Tom

SteveT
May 31st, 2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by zipperno
Wingsof66/Per-Erik


If you read the closed threads in this section youll know how they "behave" on these issues. They dont even want us to buy stuff from Meguiars.com either......they dont ship outside USA.




That closed thread is supposed to be reopened today. Not that it will do much good. Megs knows exactly whats going on with pricing in other country's and couldn't care less. You really can't do much about it except purchase other brands. Or find a way to get Megs cheaper some where else. One thing is for sure, if Megs charged Americans the same prices as they do the rest of the world they would not be in business for very long.

SteveT
May 31st, 2005, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Wingsof66
Hi again.
After 3 years in selling Meguiar's-products, they should be having enough market share to lower their prices. Instead they have increased almost 60%. From 76 dollar for a bottle #83 DACP 320z, when I bought mine 3 years ago, untill 127 dollar today.
Remember those American-style retractible camping/hunting-chairs that came on the market a few years ago. They where around 80-100 dollars a piece to begin with, and now you can get them for around 20-30 dollars.



That is absolutely disgusting. I would encourage you to contact whatever legal authorities are in charge of that area. Maybe they will lay charges for what is obviously a crime. (If it's not it should be)

Mike Phillips
May 31st, 2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by stevet
That closed thread is supposed to be reopened today.

Steve,

I didn't receive an answer today, so I had nothing to post and as such I didn't re-open the thread because too many people couldn't voice their thoughts without being rude. Let's try not to go that direction with this thread or I'll close it too.

I hear your frustrations, but just to make it very clear once and for all,

This forum is for questions on products and process, it is for the purpose of helping people get the best results from their time, money and efforts using Meguiar's products.

I will get you a dedicated e-mail, or mailing address to voice your concerns over distribution and pricing.

SteveT
May 31st, 2005, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Mike Phillips
Steve,

I will get you a dedicated e-mail, or mailing address to voice your concerns over distribution and pricing.

No thanks. Like I said in my first post in this thread I think Megs knows exactly whats going on with pricing in other country's and couldn't care less. I really don't want to exchange e-mails with insincere people. It would just be an exercise in stupidity.

Mike you do a good job on this forum and I know you have people to answer to. I have no doubt that they have been in contact with you about these threads. It was not my intent to put you between a rock and a hard place.

Mike Phillips
Jun 9th, 2005, 12:46 PM
Okay zipperno... have at it!

:D :D :D





zipperno wrote on Jun 8th, 2005 09:01 AM:
Hi

Wheres the "Dissapointed" thread gone?? It was in the Customer service hot line section.

Do you delete threads?

//Tom



Only when people try to use this forum to cause strife instead of help people get the best results possible from their time, money and efforts. With your half dozen posts, are you here to help out, or hurt?

Mike Phillips
Jun 9th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Here's an example of what our forum is for and what I can do in my capacity,

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Originally posted by Solus
Hi there, well its me again guys, look i been using 3M products and they work good, i just use the Perfect-It II Rubbing compound and the swirl remover, but now i am interest on using Meguiar's and i found Fine Cut , Medium Cut and Heavy cut cleaners, which i don't know why i think are similar as Dual action cleaner/polish, compound power cleaner, and diamond cut compound.

Hi Solus,

Welcome to Meguiar's Online! :wavey


The questions is what is the difference between them, i mean i know fine is light compound and heavy is aggressive as dual action is light compound and diamond is the aggressive one, but why there are like 2 light compounds and 2 abrasives, is that because of different paints? like the ones of th body shops that sometimes are harder cuz of too much hardness and cheap paint, and that the stock ones are soft? Or is just preference or what would be a difference?

The primary difference is they type of diminishing abrasive they use, at least that's the difference most people would notice when using them. All of these products, M01, M02, M04, M85, M84, M83, M82, M80, can be used on either clearcoated finishes, or non-clearcoated finishes. The 80's series are more modern technology based upon Meguiar's experience formulating products used at the OEM level.

Both types of products work well when used according to directions on the label and which one works best for you will be based upon your personal preferences.


I'm sure a lot of you guys have used these products would you share with me some of your experience with them? plus comments.
I think Travis has contributed a lot to this thread already, thank you Travis!


Sometimes you have to work on the Sun because theres no shade, also many compounds dry too fast cuz of the hot surface and evaporate leaving all sticky the compound on the paint, i don't know if this happens with these compounds.

There are no compounds, paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes or pure polishes manufactured by Meguiar's specifically formulated for use in direct sunlight on automotive paints. The sun, or more specifically, the heat created by sunlight will increase surface temperature of the finish and make any product more difficult to work with and affect the performance of the product dramatically. Meguiar's always recommends working on a cool surface in the shade. We understand that when doing mobile detailing work, this isn't always possible, one solution is to do what Joe of
Superior Shine Mobil Auto Detailing (http://www.superiorshine.com/) does and that is to use a portable canopy when working in direct sunlight.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2PortableCanopy.jpg

You can check out Joe's most excellent before and after write-up on how he removed the swirls in the finish of the black BMW using Meguiar's compounds, polishes and waxes in the below thread. (If the below makeover doesn't knock your socks off, nothing will!)

BMW 745il Extreme Make-Over (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253)



Also do they hide swirl marks?

Meguiar's compounds, paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes all use Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive Technology. When used correctly, the diminishing abrasive technology Meguiar's has pioneered since 1901 and continues to improve today, will do two things,

1. Remove the below surface defects, swirls, sanding marks, etchings, oxidation, etc.
2. Remove their own marks as they reduce in size and polish out


like i like to wash the car with a sponge after compound and polish just with water to remove all the dust left by compounding and polishing, and then after that i glaze it and protect it with a pure wax or polymer.(depending on the color)

I been detailing for 2 years started with a rotary buffer burning some paints :P but well i have worked on 2 detail shops and a mobile detail, and i got some experience from there, also by doing some side jobs. I don't burn paint anymore :)


I would recommend reading the below two threads in the Hot Topics (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=80) because they discuss in detail working what can and what cannot be done with a rotary buffer as far as creating a swirl free finish.

Need HELP! - How to avoid holograms? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4929)

How to avoid swirls and holograms? (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4966)

In the end, in order to guarantee a completely swirl free finish on a dark colored paint in bright lights, you're going to need to re-polish each panel either by hand or with a dual action polisher to insure any remaining minor swirls induced by the direct drive circular contact between your pad of choice on a rotary buffer and the paint are completely removed. That, or use a coating or two of wax to insure any remaining holograms or swirls are eliminated.

Read the above two threads as there is a lot of good information in them that would not be efficient to try to re-post into this thread.

Here is one example of a selection of products you can start out with when switching over to Meguiar's from 3M. This is not you're only option, but I'm trying to keep it simple with only a few products for you to experiment with.

The M84 Compound Power Cleaner is an easy product to use with a lot of play time. It is formulated to be used with foam pads, not wool pads, so you can avoid using wool and thus avoid instilling wool fiber swirls.

The M80 Speed Glaze is a light cleaner/polish that will remove fine swirls with our W-8006 polishing pad. The key to making this product remove any leftover swirls from the M84 Compound Power Cleaner is to make sure you buff the M84 completely so that you have broken all of the diminishing abrasives down completely. This is the trick to not leaving behind any deeper swirls with Meguiar's compounds. (Don't buff to a dry buff however).

The M80 Speed Glaze is also easy to work with, offers a lot of play time, and easy to wipe off. You can then also use it with the dual action polisher to insure there are no remaining swirls. M80 Speed Glaze produces a very, very, clear and glossy finish, perfect for applying your LSP to.

Again, the below recommendations are not the only products or method of tackling every car, but it is a system that will work on most cars that you will come across and 99.9% of the time, it will produce professional results you can be proud of and your customers will love you for and recommend you to their friends.

It's also the system I used to remove the swirls on this clearcoated Corvette and restore a swirl-free, crystal clear finish.

1999 Corvette - Remove Swirls and Scratches (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218)


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First Step Products and Process
Rotary Buffer for removing serious below surface defects,

Compound Power Cleaner (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Compound-Power-Cleaner&sku=M-84)
SOFTBUFFâ„¢ Cutting Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFFâ„¢-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m84.gif http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_w70.gif

Second Step Products and Process
Rotary buffer for removing any residual swirls or haze left by the first step process.

Speed Glaze (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Compound-Power-Cleaner&sku=M-84)
Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m80.gif http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_w80.gif


Third Step Products and Process
Dual Action Polisher to insure a completely swirl free finish in direct sun or bright lights.

Electric Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Electric-Dual-Action-Polisher&sku=G-100)
Speed Glaze (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Compound-Power-Cleaner&sku=M-84)
Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_g100.gif http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m80.gif http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_w80.gif

At this step, use the above same products that you used with a rotary buffer in your second step process, only now substitute a different machine to apply them with. For this step, use a dual action polisher to re-polish each panel using the oscillating action of this type of machine to polish and remove any remaining swirls left by the rotary buffer to insure a completely swirl-free finish.





Last Step Products and Process
By hand or using a dual action polisher to apply your choice of wax, also known as your L.S.P., Last Step Product, this is the last product you apply and remove before standing back and saying to yourself, it is finished. Then, turn the car back over to the excited owner!

Electric Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Electric-Dual-Action-Polisher&sku=G-100)
SOFTBUFFâ„¢ Finishing Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFFâ„¢-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_g100.gif http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_w90.gif



Meguiar's LSP's

Here are a few options for last step products if you've performed a multiple-step process as outlined above.

NXT Generation„¢ Tech Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generationâ„¢-Tech-Wax&sku=G-127)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_g127.gif

NXT Generation„¢ Tech Wax Paste (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generationâ„¢-Tech-Wax-Paste&sku=G-12711)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_g12711.gif

Gold Class Clear Coat Car Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFFâ„¢-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_g70.gif

Deep Crystal System Carnauba Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Deep-Crystal-System-Carnauba-Wax&sku=A-22)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_a22.gif

Hi-Tech Yellow Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Hi-Tech-Yellow-Wax&sku=M-26)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m26.gif


Synthetic Sealant (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Synthetic-Sealant&sku=M-21)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m21.gif


Polymer Sealant (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Polymer-Sealant&sku=M-20)

http://meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m20.gif

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This reply took a little while to write, I hope it helps...

:)


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We don't delete posts on this forum as a practice, and we don't appreciate anyone that insinuates that we do. At the same time, the majority of people on this forum are either genuinely looking for help for their car, or genuinely trying to help someone who's working on a car.

Which group are you in?

zipperno
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:28 PM
Thanks Mike!

First I just need to say that closing threads is kinda working against you. People who are all ready dissapointed wiith megs arnt going to be happy when you shut em up.....

I dont have much to add about how dissapointed we are in Norway. Megs have great products but availability and pricing *****!!!!! I cant see how Megs are going to expand in this country with this "plan".

Im importing Megs products from the US, I just got a 40 lbs. package today. Guess what, even with shipping and tax the price is half of what it would have been here. So Megs Norway, bye bye.....

//Tom

Mike Phillips
Jun 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by zipperno
Thanks Mike!

First I just need to say that closing threads is kinda working against you. People who are all ready disappointed with megs arnt going to be happy when you shut em up.....

Don't forget this forum, just like every other quality forum has rules, as long as all the members abide by the rules, there will no problems, when a person, or a group of people start breaking the rules, then the consequences for their actions will result in action. Here are some of the forum rules, please be mindful of 3, 4 and 11

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I don't have much to add about how disappointed we are in Norway. Megs have great products but availability and pricing ****! (Edited for bad language -Mike)


I cant see how Megs are going to expand in this country with this "plan".

I'm importing Megs products from the US, I just got a 40 lbs. package today. Guess what, even with shipping and tax the price is half of what it would have been here. So Megs Norway, bye bye.....

//Tom

As I've said before, I have passed this thread on to management, they are aware of your concerns. All the people involved with these issues have also been made aware. At this point, you've had an impact, don't diminish your voice by breaking forum rules and causing this thread, or any thread to be closed or moved.

Thank you.

JeffM
Jun 9th, 2005, 04:23 PM
If anyone would be on your side, it would be Mike. He might be your only link to someone that could help you guys out over there, i wouldnt irritate him :xyxthumbs

zipperno
Jun 10th, 2005, 01:14 AM
Just for the record.........

I have nothing against Mike or any moderators. They do a great job with this forum.

And I also feel that I havent been "out of line" regarding forum rules ever. So please dont give me a lesson i forum rules.......I have done nothingh wrong.




//Tom

Tim Lingor
Jun 10th, 2005, 03:51 AM
Tom,

As Mike pointed out, people tend to listen objectively when the tone of a complaint is tempered with respect. Your choice of wording comes across as argumenative which may not be your intent. Never-the-less, that is the tone that is being preceived. Further, forum rules will be enforced and are not debatable in terms of degree or intent. Mike or I have to make judgement calls and we will do so only when need be.

Now back to detailing.... :) I hate having to be a cranky Mod. :D

Tim