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Mike Phillips
Jun 11th, 2005, 03:57 PM
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On June 11th, 2005 members Bimmerforums.com (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/index.php?) attended Meguiar's Detailing 101 Class here at our Corporate office in Irvine, CA.

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http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFredbmw1.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2SmartCar1.jpg

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Mike Phillips
Jun 11th, 2005, 04:01 PM
These folks were a great group of people to work with and after the hands-on portion of the class everyone joined in the fun and started Meguiarizing their cars!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFbusy3.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFbusy2.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFbusy1.jpg


A little PlastX cleared up this convertible window in no time!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFPlastX1.jpg

Mike Phillips
Jun 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM
What are they looking at?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BimmerforumsResults1.jpg

The results of ScratchX applied by hand to Randy's swirled out BMW!

The left side is before, the right side is the after side...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFafterScratchX1.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFafterScratchX2.jpg

More pictures later...

Thanks to everyone that attended today, you guys and girls were a great group of people to work with!

rusty bumper
Jun 11th, 2005, 04:38 PM
Not trying to be critical, but what on earth is this?

I had to save it to the HD.


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2SmartCar1.jpg

Mike Phillips
Jun 11th, 2005, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Rusty Bumper
Not trying to be critical, but what on earth is this?

I had to save it to the HD.

It's a Smart Car. It's been polished out with M82 and Tech Wax.

rusty bumper
Jun 11th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Mike Phillips
It's a Smart Car. It's been polished out with M82 and Tech Wax.
A BMW I presume?

I'll have to do some research on it.

Very nice shine BTW!

Tim Lingor
Jun 11th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Hey,

I thought the Smart Cars were designed and distributed through MB dealers?

Tim

rusty bumper
Jun 11th, 2005, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by 2hotford
Hey,

I thought the Smart Cars were designed and distributed through MB dealers?

Tim
Seems that they are.....

smart - a brand of DaimlerChrysler (www.smart.com/-snm-0138181084-1118396643-0000008875-0000000464-1118555689-enm-is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/mpc-uk-content-Site/en_UK/-/GBP/SVCPresentationPipeline-Start?Page=issite%3a%2f%2fmpc-uk-Site%2fmpc-uk%2ecom%2fRootFolder%2fsmart%2fhome%2epage)

Buellwinkle
Jun 11th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by 2hotford
Hey,

I thought the Smart Cars were designed and distributed through MB dealers?

Tim

Not really, they are made by MB but imported and distributed by ZAP which didn't make D-C very happy. Sort a much smaller version of BMW's Mini Cooper. I love the name of the cars, the fortwo, forfour and the new SUV, the formore.


http://www.zapworld.com/cars/smartCar.asp

Aurora40
Jun 12th, 2005, 02:22 AM
Daimler-Chrysler didn't think it would sell enough units of Smart in the states. So they have not imported it. They were going to import the "SUV" version, but I believe that whole car had been cut. Smart has been a huge money loser for DC. Think "Saturn" except without the R&D benefits.

Cool picts. I wonder why over half the cars are blue?

rusty bumper
Jun 12th, 2005, 03:01 AM
That 2 seat model sold for around 8,000.00 pounds in England.

Looks like it would sell here too at that price, course I don't know what it would cost after the exchange rate is considered.

Mr X
Jun 12th, 2005, 12:42 PM
Great pictures, make sure to post more. The first picture is my new signature.

AirborneDEN
Jun 12th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Had a great time there and learned a lot. I was so motivated from the day and seeing that my E36 Estoril blue convertible was the dirtiest car there that day I took the liberty of washing and waxing it when I got home :)

jworms1
Jun 12th, 2005, 08:44 PM
this was a great event! i would definitely do it again. i hope you don't mind if i were to join in on another Saturday to get tips, etc. i am going to buy one of those porter cable polishers. mmm maybe I'll swing by next Saturday and purchase it :)

major thanks to Eric, Mike, and Shane.

I've got a bunch of pictures of the estorils i took. here are some of the better ones (i think):
(i have full sized ones if anybody wants)


Edit: The photos that were inserted into this reply appear to be hosted on a password protected site so I have removed them to prevent the pop-up window from appearing. -Mike

JETninja
Jun 13th, 2005, 04:35 AM
Jworms, your pics require a network password.....


Mike, thanks for the great pic of My Hellrot M3! :D

Had a great time, learned a little more, learned also I'm doing alright with most of what I know already too! Stopping be the detail shop in Lake Forest to pick up some Clay today for sure.

Let's See Some More pics folks!

:D

jworms1
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by JETninja
Jworms, your pics require a network password.....

sorry, all fixed now.

Mike Phillips
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:16 AM
When it came time for the hands-on training portion of the class, we looked for the worst looking finish among the cars available and picked Randy's BMW because it had lots of swirls and scratches throughout the finish. Randy was a good sport about it and let everyone help him restore his car's finish.

First thing we did was to wipe the car down with Meguiar's Quik Detailer to remove any light dust and airborne contaminants.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFQuikDetail.jpg

Then everyone joined in and clayed his car's finish using Meguiar's Quik Clay System.

Here's Randy claying a rear pillar...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFClayCar1.jpg

Here his friends help to make quick work out of claying the entire car!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFClayCar2.jpg

jworms1
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:49 AM
ok here's the estoril pictures. i put them in the gallery:
http://www.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3808

Mike Phillips
Jun 13th, 2005, 12:01 PM
After cleaning and claying the finish, because it was fairly overcast this day, we used the handheld Xenon light to highlight and expose the swirls and scratches so everyone could see the true condition of the finish.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFUsingXenonLight.jpg

Then, we taped off three sections,
The Original before section
After ScratchX by Hand
After the G100 with M80 Speed Glaze

First we applied three application of ScratchX and worked this product against the finish until it turned clear an oily looking, but we stopped working it before the product was completely gone. After each application we would remove the residue before applying the next application.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFApplyScratchX.jpg

After applying ScratchX we applied Meguiar's Deep Crystal Polish. We worked this product in gently and then removed it without waiting for it to dry.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFApplyPolish1.jpg

When applying these products, (ScratchX, Deep Crystal Polish and then NXT Tech Wax Paste), we applied the product to the applicator pad first and then applied the pad to the finish just like you see below.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFApplyPolish1crop.jpg

Mr X
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Great pictures Mike, keep em coming.


Originally posted by jworms1
ok here's the estoril pictures. i put them in the gallery:
http://www.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3808

Please email all of them in full res to moneydudes@aol.com If that is possible. Thanks.

Mike Phillips
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:16 PM
After demonstrating how to properly apply a paint cleaner like ScratchX by hand, we then learned the proper techniques for using the G100 Dual Action Polisher to remove swirls.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFG100Tech.jpg

The below photo shows the scratch and swirl reduction by hand using ScratchX.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFafterScratchX2.jpg


The below photos show the swirls before in the untouched upper left hand corner, then the section we used ScratchX on the upper right hand corner, and the bottom section which we machine cleaned with the G100.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BF3WayBefore1text.JPG

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BF3WayG100text.JPG

If these pictures look impressive using the flash of the camera, you should have seen the results in person like these guys were able to...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BimmerforumsResults1.jpg

Mike Phillips
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:49 PM
After inspecting the results, we drove the car back into the garage and while Eric, aka HamandCheese, removed some of the more serious defects using a Makita rotary buffer with some M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish while others tried their hand on the hood and others areas using Meguiar's G100 dual action polisher.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2HamAndCheeseRotary.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2RandysFinished1.jpg [/IMG]

After the defects were removed, Randy applied a coat of NXT Tech Wax in the paste version and then removed it to reveal a finish more beautiful than when he first purchased it!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2RandyRemovingPaste1.jpg

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Mike Phillips
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Finished

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2RandysFinished3.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2RandysFinished2.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2BFRandyReflect.jpg

rusty bumper
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Mike Phillips
After inspecting the results, we drove the car back into the garage and while Eric, aka HamandCheese, removed some of the more serious defects using a Makita rotary buffer with some M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish while others tried their hand on the hood and others areas using Meguiar's G100 dual action polisher.

Great work!

Now I could really go for the seat that HamandCheese is using. :db:
Looks like it might be good for the back........I could store lunch under it too. :D
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2HamAndCheeseRotary.jpg

psk145
Jun 13th, 2005, 08:04 PM
Thanks for the great clinic Mike. Im sorry I had to leave early. I wanted to ask you about cleaning the polished aluminum lip on wheels. I have some of the nxt metal polish, and whats the proper way to do it. I've been rubbing it on, and rubbing it off. Is that right? Thanks!

jworms1
Jun 13th, 2005, 08:26 PM
geez that ti looked (looks) great!

today i noticed light swirl marks in my paint on my estoril M3 coupe. i am determined to get that show car shine now and with the knowledge i took from that class i should have no problem.


Originally posted by Mr X
Great pictures Mike, keep em coming.



Please email all of them in full res to moneydudes@aol.com If that is possible. Thanks.

emailed you :)

hamanncheese
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:03 PM
It's hamanncheese. But certainly a play on words. :D My girlfriend Melissa aka "clayingmachine" made that up for me! For those of you who don't know, Hamann is a german bmw tuner that IMHO makes one of the nicest rims ever (pg2)!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2HamAndCheeseRotary.jpg

And yes, the stool works really well when doing vertical panels. It really helps out my back, and plus you can keep your products + beer right underneath you! :xyxthumbs

hamanncheese
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Pics from SAT's clinic!

http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0503.JPG http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0504.JPG
Meguiar's Detailing Guru Mike Phillips (he sorta looks like a bike cop in this pic hahaha)
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0509.JPG
Mike demonstrates how to remove swirls marks with the G-100 Porter Cable Orbital buffer w/ #80 speed glaze.
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0507.JPG
What the heck is this? Jk...it's Dan Wang's Smart Car
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0512.JPG
Everyone working on Randy's 318ti
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0514.JPG
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0515.JPG
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0530.JPG http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0531.JPG
Demonstration on how to remove swirls with ScratchX by hand (ScratchX how to article (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1516))
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0517.JPG
Mike shows everyone how to properly use the PC orbital buffer
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0523.JPG
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0523.JPG
Estoril's Galore (I have pics in 2272 x 1704 as well)
http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0532.JPG http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0533.JPG http://ocprodetailers.com/pics%20of%20bmws/meguiar's%20hosts%20bimmerforums/Resize%20of%20IMG_0534.JPG

hamanncheese
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Randy,

You have been properly Meguiarzed!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2RandysFinished2.jpg

Fantastic reflection shot, mike!

zey
Jun 14th, 2005, 02:16 AM
hamanncheese, may I know at what speed you were running the rotary? How long it took you for that panel? Thx.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2HamAndCheeseRotary.jpg

clayingmachine
Jun 14th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Nice looking 318ti randy! :bounce

hamanncheese
Jun 14th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Zey,

#83 via Makita Rotary at speed 2. I made sure to slow down at the edges of the fender. Fender probably only took 30 sec to buff out.

ZeroG
Jun 14th, 2005, 11:36 AM
I had a great time and learned tons. Thanks especially for the help with the touch up paint.

-Chad

zey
Jun 14th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by hamanncheese
Zey,

#83 via Makita Rotary at speed 2. I made sure to slow down at the edges of the fender. Fender probably only took 30 sec to buff out.

Thanks buddy! That would be 900rpm with a dial setting of 2. Slow and steady. :xyxthumbs

lkwd318ti
Jun 14th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by clayingmachine
Nice looking 318ti randy! :bounce


Originally posted by jworms1
geez that ti looked (looks) great!

today i noticed light swirl marks in my paint on my estoril M3 coupe. i am determined to get that show car shine now and with the knowledge i took from that class i should have no problem.



emailed you :)

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Thanks to Mike and Shane for teaching us how to properly take care of our paint. I learned alot that day and you changed the way I look at washing my car haha.

Thanks again to Eric for organizing the event.

-Randy

Dan Wang
Jun 17th, 2005, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Rusty Bumper
Not trying to be critical, but what on earth is this?


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2SmartCar1.jpg

The car is a Smart Car like everyone else has been saying.

The car is built by DC, same makers of Mercedes and Maybach.

This particular model is the Smart Fortwo Passion Cabrio.

The panels are interchangeable, meaning that if I felt like a different color, all I would have to do is swap out the black pieces and install red pieces if that was my heart's desire. The "tridion" cell is powdercoated in silver and acts like a mini roll cage.

The car was test crashed numerous times with an W211 E-class and a w220 S-class and fared extremely well.

If anyone else wants to know more about the car, please let me know.

Thanks Eric for organizing the gathering.

Thank you Mike and Tim, I mean Shane for your guidance as always.

Dan Wang

rusty bumper
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:00 AM
Hi Dan........Welcome to the forum. :wavey

How does the Smart Car handle?.........Looks like it might be easy to tip over in a hard turn (No offence of course).

But it looks like it might be a fun car to drive though.

I wonder if Consumer Reports has had a write up on it?

LnkPrkSoldier
Jun 19th, 2005, 07:51 AM
here are a few of mine, i only took a few and some didn't come out good. it was a great day. and yes that was me thinking it wasn't enough food, oh well. live and learn. thank you mike and shane for your work, i will be calling 'Tim' soon to get some products. Nice to see everybody there, bimmer forums get a :xyxthumbs from me for their kindness even though i brought a mercedes.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/35293-med.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/35292.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/35291.jpg

supster
Jun 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM
Thanks for all the efforts, Mike and Shane (Tim), I think we all learned a lot.

Post more pictures when you get a chance!

mspiegle
Jun 20th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Thanks Mike and Shane for the event! That was so much better than I was hoping for... I was very impressed. All of you who didn't go definitely missed out.

I'm the one who came with Jonathan/jworms (the supa-clean estoril coupe)

Mr X
Jun 20th, 2005, 09:39 AM
That was a great class, thanks for all the info Mike, I think you have sold me on a PC. I would defiantly be up for another one of these... maybe one every week :D

Also, that M roadster was amazing, thanks for the ride.

nismo skyline
Jun 20th, 2005, 09:43 AM
I had a great time and learned a lot. Thanks to Eric and Mike for putting this together. :xyxthumbs