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Superior Shine
Jun 14th, 2005, 06:07 PM
I was emailed recently about polishing out this 1941 Plymouth.
Maybe too far gone. What do you think?


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18441_dtl.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1844-med.JPG

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18431-med.JPG

Mike Phillips
Jun 14th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Here's what I think Joe...

If anyone can save it, you would be that person. Be careful around high points and edges with whatever approach you take and best of luck to you.

VanityDetailing
Jun 14th, 2005, 06:39 PM
If not, you should just give me that car. ;)

Murr1525
Jun 14th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Hard to tell which color is the paint color.. But I hope it works out good.

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Pretty neat old car. Check out these stickers I found on it. ------

http://forum.bettercarcare.com/gallery/data/500/570roos-med.JPG

And this one is a WW2 ration sticker------

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1846-med.JPG

The owner wanted to know if his car could be buffed out. When I first saw this car I didn't believe I could help it. The oxidation was super thick. There wasn't any shine at all.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1847-med.JPG

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 03:51 AM
After I "bonded" with the car a bit I decided this was going to be an old school rub-out. The paint wasn't original. I guess it was repainted in the 60s.

My collection of "clear coat safe" 80-series Meguiars products probably wasn't going to cut it with this vehicle. I would need to get very aggressive to remove the thick coat of dead paint from the surface and hopefully I would find paint underneath that I could pamper and persuade to give me a brilliant shine.

Again my working conditions were less than ideal.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1845-med.JPG

I decided that I needed to go at this like they used to back in the day when Meguiars put out their #1 and #4 paint cleaners.

I have a product in my arsenal that reminds me of old #4 and I used it on this old 41, Meguiars marine line #49 Heavy Duty Oxidation Remover.

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m49.gif

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 03:55 AM
We had to take it inch by inch. If I skipped a spot it would stick out like a sore thumb.

Here you can see the difference between the rear fender that is already rubbed out with #49 and the adjacent panel .

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1849-med.JPG

Here is a side by side rub out of the hood --

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18410-med.JPG

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 03:59 AM
We had to go over each area two and three times at least. Our wool pads loaded up quickly with dead paint.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1848-med.JPG

Once I was down to the "good" paint I polished it with #85 using a #7006 foam pad.

And here is the result --

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18412-med.JPG

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/184111-med.JPG

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:03 AM
I topped it with #21.

I lost the sun behind a house by the time I was done but I am happy with the results.

We have over 11 man hours in this car. It was a tough job but the results are very rewarding.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18412a-med.JPG

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18413-med.JPG

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18414-med.JPG

Superior Shine
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:07 AM
Going from this -----------

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18411-med.JPG

to this, is what I live for!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18413-med.JPG

HEK
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:15 AM
ONE word...WOW:bow :bow

Blue Thunder
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:18 AM
Were the fire trucks and paramedics for you from passing out from all the work or the owner from surprise??

Dean

superswamper
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:42 AM
Simply amazing!!

g15389
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:44 AM
INCREDIBLE! Awesome job, thank you for sharing. It helps the rest of us know what we need to aspire to (and will never get to).

G-

g15389
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:50 AM
INCREDIBLE! Awesome job, thank you for sharing. It helps the rest of us know what we need to aspire to (and will never get to).

G-

RDVT4ME
Jun 15th, 2005, 05:23 AM
Joe, you are Da Man!

I did not think that paint would come back.

I can't wait for my new work schedule to start so I can do a ride along with you!

Mike Phillips
Jun 15th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Simply Amazing Joe!

Your show car results are a true testimony to you skill as a craftsman in the art of polishing paint. You mentally adopted the car as your own and then treated it with the same care and passion you would your own car, this is a characteristic of a true professional. The hard part can sometimes be letting go and turning your car back over to the rightful owner.

Thank you for sharing this project with our online community. Thank you for taking the time to set your rotary buffer down and take a picture, this takes time and you could have just continued working. Thank you for taking the time to go through your photos, pick the ones that tell the story the best and then uploading them to our gallery and creating a thread that tells the story.

This is the kind of work you just don't see on other forums and brings hundreds of new members and lurkers to our forum to be a part of what they see as great people doing great things.

Thanks Joe! ;)

Tom Weed
Jun 15th, 2005, 05:55 AM
That could be the most impressive makeover I've ever seen. WOW... nice work!

I am curious about the Fire Trucks as well....

Tom

Mark McGuire
Jun 15th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Very nice job Joe. When we enjoy our jobs so much sometimes I wonder how we can really call it work.

:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

Mike Phillips
Jun 15th, 2005, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Superior Shine
Again my working conditions were less than ideal.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1845-med.JPG


This actually teaches people they have no excuse for not starting a detailing business. Not every detailer is going to have a beautiful shop to work in. Starting a detailing business with a shop is expensive as you have to detail enough cars each month to not only pay for all your overhead, but to also make a profit so that you can live.

There's an old saying that originated in the race tracks of the South that goes like this...

Run what you brung

Back in the old days, people didn't always trailer their car to a race, often times they drove it there! Contrast to today's day and age where everything is a trailer queen. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just trying to share an analogy in that, sometimes,

All you can do is all you can do,

By this I mean sometimes you have to use what you have to the best of your ability because that's all you have. Some people would rather throw in the towel and blame their circumstances for their inability to succeed. Joe has shown us that he doesn't let his circumstances determine his success, he overcomes problems with whatever means possible to him. In this case, he doesn't have a place out of direct sunlight to work on this car so the next best thing is to create a place, which he does with a one time investment into an E-Z Up Awning.

Thanks for showing others what can be done if you just try.

:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

mike_svt
Jun 15th, 2005, 07:25 AM
Amazing! Have you done any work on the chrome features yet (NXT metal polish)? They appear quite shinny in the pics.

the other pc
Jun 15th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Joe, you rock! :xyxthumbs

gb387
Jun 15th, 2005, 11:18 AM
If I didn't see the pictures myself not to sure I would have believed it... Looks great, looks like a new paint job.


Do you keep photos to show potential customers your work?

Acenas
Jun 15th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Awesome work. :bow

Fidel
Jun 15th, 2005, 02:00 PM
Oh my God... now that is inspiring...

your work is awesome Joe.

makes me want to go out and detail my ride.:D

VanityDetailing
Jun 15th, 2005, 03:58 PM
Nice job, Joe!

If you wanna come do this 65' yacht in St. Augustine, you're more than welcome!



BTW, if you don't mind me asking, what'd you charge for a full recovery like that?

LnkPrkSoldier
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:38 PM
oh dear god. at the beginning it looked like it wasn't paint but just sheet metal. WELL DONE!! :xyxthumbs you prove to everybody that your work is above many a people's caliber. i wouldn't even be able to touch your work with a stick. good job

Tim Lingor
Jun 15th, 2005, 04:50 PM
WOW!!! Joe, your transformation of that paint is simply amazing!!!!:bow Awesome work as usual!! :bigups :bigups :bigups

Tim

Scottwax
Jun 15th, 2005, 06:26 PM
I've brought back some pretty rough cars, Joe, but nothing to that extreme! Makes me realize after 11 1/2 years in business, I still haven't seen it all, nor have I learned it all. Thanks for sharing not only the pictures but your technique and product selection as well.

:bow :bow :bow

Cole'sCarDetailing
Jun 15th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Just curious Joe, When did you start detailing cars? I can't imagine how much practice it would take to get that good.

Cole

perry
Jun 15th, 2005, 06:58 PM
That's awesome! :bounce

Mark2
Jun 15th, 2005, 11:45 PM
WOW :xyxthumbs Amazing job:bigups How many of those wool pads did you end up using?

KLnyc
Jun 16th, 2005, 03:12 AM
WOW Amazing :bow

Superior Shine
Jun 16th, 2005, 03:30 AM
Thanks everybody for the kind words. It was a big job but it was important for me to do it because it is a great ol' car and a peice of American history and I wanted to push my polishing skills out to the limit. I mistakenly put the car down as a 41 dodge but it is actually a 41 Plymouth-oops.

To answer a few of your questions- "How much did you charge?" A- not enough! LOL

"How many pads did you use?" A- six wool, three 7006, one 8006

"How long have you been detailing?" A-earliest detailing memory is cleaning cars with my father in his bodyshop in Atlanta Ga. 1977. I started Superior Shine in 1989.


Here is part of a email the owner just sent me --

"Jose ...... Its Fantastic!!!!! I'm sending the article (this thread) out to family and friends ..... I left your contact info in my message and hope it generates some business.

Give me a a Payday or two and lets do the 57 Chevy Truck."


YA BABY I GET A 57 TRUCK TO DO SOON!!! Look for a write up on it.

SHINE ON!!!!

Epic18s
Jun 16th, 2005, 04:43 AM
Speechless....that is amazing in every way.:bigups

romulus
Jun 16th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Joe,
You are the greatest for restoring a piece of American history:bow :bow :bow
Can't wait to see the 57 Chevy Truck

Richard E
Jun 16th, 2005, 07:08 AM
WOW! Now I know why you're called "Superior Shine." :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

I'm totally ignorant about using a rotary buffer, but I was wondering, can you do all the areas on the car with it, or do some areas have to be done by hand rubbing only?

LnkPrkSoldier
Jun 16th, 2005, 10:27 AM
^^ buffers are menat for them to be worked on flat large areas such as the hood. but not the entire hood can be worked on such as the corners where the top of the hood is by the front mirror. those have to be worked by hand.

JeffM
Jun 16th, 2005, 11:27 AM
Wow, you can now put Magician on your business card :bow

Wingsof66
Jun 16th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Meguician, that is....

cafemoc
Jun 16th, 2005, 02:12 PM
That's fantastic! :xyxthumbs
I can't believe the result...
Superior Shine did it again :bow

BTW how would you clean wide white wall tires?

MandarinaRacing
Jun 16th, 2005, 04:25 PM
AMAZING!
by Superior Shine

:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

We're not worthy !!!

:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

rusty bumper
Jun 16th, 2005, 06:32 PM
http://forum.bettercarcare.com/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://forum.bettercarcare.com/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://forum.bettercarcare.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Simply amazing Joe! :bigups :bigups :bigups

**************************************************

Joe, I didn't know you was a southerner. :D

delta
Jun 16th, 2005, 09:00 PM
amazing

bimmer330i
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:26 AM
AMAZING!:bow

Mike Phillips
Jun 17th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Superior Shine
After I "bonded" with the car a bit I decided this was going to be an old school rub-out. The paint wasn't original. I guess it was repainted in the 60s.

My collection of "clear coat safe" 80-series Meguiar's products probably wasn't going to cut it with this vehicle. I would need to get very aggressive to remove the thick coat of dead paint from the surface and hopefully I would find paint underneath that I could pamper and persuade to give me a brilliant shine.

Again my working conditions were less than ideal.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1845-med.JPG

I decided that I needed to go at this like they used to back in the day when Meguiar's put out their #1 and #4 paint cleaners.

I have a product in my arsenal that reminds me of old #4 and I used it on this old 41, Meguiar's marine line #49 Heavy Duty Oxidation Remover.

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/images/product_m49.gif

I would just like chime in here lest anyone get the wrong idea...

Officially, Meguiar's doesn't recommend using our Marine Line products for automotive finishes as many of them are too aggressive and could cause more problems than they will fix, especially on modern clear coats as they are extremely scratch-sensitive.

Please keep in mind that Joe is an extremely experienced detailer who has a good working knowledge of what he can and cannot do when it comes to selecting the appropriate products for the job. Note he conducted several test spots to test his product of choice and inspected his results before attempting to buff out the entire car.

Also note that this was an older, extremely oxidized finish that after testing a few areas, Joe felt there was plenty of film-build to work with as M49 is a powerful and aggressive oxidation remover formulated for extreme oxidation on gel coat surfaces. It appears from his results that whoever painted this car last applied plenty of paint and not just 2-3 coats which is normal for a lot of painters.

In other words... Don't try this at home" :)

Bill D
Jun 17th, 2005, 05:37 PM
SIMPLY MARVELOUS! :bounce


I have a 1:18 scale model of a '41 Plymouth and now I want to repaint it grey and call it the "Superior Shine Mobile" .


Thanks so much for sharing!

Superior Shine
Jun 17th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Once again, thank you all for the compliments.

Mike, Thanks for making it clear that using #49 on modern base coat/clear coat isn't recommended.

I did spent awhile with the vehicle testing the paint and working my way up from other paint cleaners that are less abrasive than #49. I measured and re-measured the film build with my paint thickness gauge and I had access to a 48 Plymouth with orig. paint to kind of gauge what I had to work with on the 41.

The finish on this vehicle certainly wasn’t common and a common approach wouldn’t have fixed it.

Superior Shine
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:18 PM
Joe, I didn't know you was a southerner. :D

Southerner???? Please explain.

rusty bumper
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Superior Shine
Southerner???? Please explain.

You're not from Georgia?......


Originally posted by Superior Shine
"How long have you been detailing?" A-earliest detailing memory is cleaning cars with my father in his bodyshop in Atlanta Ga. 1977. I started Superior Shine in 1989.

Superior Shine
Jun 18th, 2005, 07:50 AM
I forgot I posted that. I was born in the north though , New Jersey. We moved to Ga. when I was a few months old. My brothers were both born in Ga.

Bill Prentice
Jun 18th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Joe

In life you meet people who excell at what they do... There a couple of common demoninators in these individuals... Integirty, correct priorities, they love what they do and take pride in what they do..

Joe you meet all of these standards... You're a great American and may God continue to bless you richly.

Bill P.

Tom MacDonald
Jun 22nd, 2005, 04:42 AM
:bow WOW... Thank is increadible what you have been able to do to the paint on that car. It is also a tribute to the hardy old paints of yester year!!!! I hope the person that owned the car was as amazed as well.........

:xyxthumbs

iceburgh
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
:xyxthumbs Very well done 11 hours is not that bad for the results. I am sure the owner is very very happy.

Superior Shine
Jun 22nd, 2005, 06:05 PM
Again thank you very much for the kind words.

The owner of the 41 Plymouth is very happy with it. I have his 57 Chevy pick up to do in the next week or two.


The finish on it is almost as bad -

http://forum.bettercarcare.com/gallery/data/500/57057_3-med.JPG

http://forum.bettercarcare.com/gallery/data/500/57057_2-med.JPG

LnkPrkSoldier
Jun 23rd, 2005, 08:16 AM
will that be your next project? that will be interesting...

tomee
Jun 27th, 2005, 11:29 PM
i love your work!
i love your threads!!!
good job :xyxthumbs

Superior Shine
Jun 28th, 2005, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by tomee
i love your work!
i love your threads!!!
good job :xyxthumbs

Thank you

Tomorrow is the big day for the 57.

Tom MacDonald
Jun 28th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Does this guy with the old cars have any woodies stashed away????:xyxthumbs

Superior Shine
Jun 28th, 2005, 06:10 AM
No, he has a few old dodges (plymouths) the 57 chevy and a bunch of willys and jeeps.

Don
Jul 4th, 2005, 12:00 AM
I'm still speechless over the results and the quality of the work & I CAN'T WAIT to see how the truck turns out. You should enter this car in Autopia's Extreme Makeover Contest.

My arms & back ache thinking about the amount of effort you put into this now beautiful classic.

Superior Shine
Jul 4th, 2005, 06:50 AM
We did the truck last week. Even though the transformation was just as dramatic as the 41 Plymouth the before and after pics aren’t that different. It was kind of like photographing white.

It is very hard to tell (in pic only) from oxidation to brilliant shine. In person it was awesome!

I would love to upload some pics but the gallery will not allow me to.

Don
Jul 4th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Superior Shine


I would love to upload some pics but the gallery will not allow me to.

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Superior Shine
Jul 7th, 2005, 02:48 AM
OK, Gallery is working now.

The before and after are hard to see but it was a very dramatic difference.

BEFORE-

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/184Auto_Detailing_073.jpg

AFTER --

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18457PCSpeedGlaze8.jpg

Don
Jul 7th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Actually, I can see a significant difference. To me it's as clear as the before & afters of the Plymouth...EXCELLENT work

Superior Shine
Jul 7th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Don
Actually, I can see a significant difference. To me it's as clear as the before & afters of the Plymouth...EXCELLENT work

Thank you.

rusty bumper
Jul 7th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Don
Actually, I can see a significant difference. To me it's as clear as the before & afters of the Plymouth...EXCELLENT work
I agree with you Don.

The top has a very nice reflection to it.

Jeff Smith
Mar 31st, 2006, 01:01 AM
Revitalizing an old thread here.

Joe, I love the car as well as what you were able to do with it.

I was just curious as to if you might remember any history the owner may have been able to tell you about it. An "Old Dog" like that probably has a few good stories built around it.

Superior Shine
Mar 31st, 2006, 03:08 AM
The current owner has had it for less than 2 years. It runs and drives but could maybe use some love mechanically.

darkhorse
Apr 2nd, 2006, 04:20 AM
Wow, that is all I can say, WOW. The bar is raised to a new level, and I have much work to do get to that level of professionalism. Did the owner have yo do anything with the Jeeps or Willy's? Thanks for the inspiration!:xyxthumbs

Superior Shine
Apr 2nd, 2006, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by darkhorse
Did the owner have yo do anything with the Jeeps or Willy's? Thanks for the inspiration!:xyxthumbs

No jeeps.

Detalnewb
Apr 2nd, 2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Superior Shine
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18412a-med.JPG

Polished so much, they had to call in the fire department, eh?:LOLOL:

Absolutely amazing Joe!

Superior Shine
Dec 12th, 2007, 08:20 PM
The Old Dog gets a * BUMP * Scottwax2

rusty bumper
Dec 12th, 2007, 08:30 PM
I remember old dog. :cool:

Don
Apr 29th, 2008, 02:12 AM
Worthy of a **bump** nearly 3 years after the fact.

Before pic: even in direct sunlight, only individual shiny spots are apparent.

After pic: The paint displays clear and obvious reflective surfaces and reflections.

So the color didn't deepen and it actually seems a bit lighter than before...SO WHAT?! That is a retina-searing reflection my friend, and to think, you've had three years to refine your already mad skills even further!!


OK, Gallery is working now.

The before and after are hard to see but it was a very dramatic difference.

BEFORE-

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/184Auto_Detailing_073.jpg

AFTER --

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/18457PCSpeedGlaze8.jpg

mwpannell
Apr 29th, 2008, 03:37 AM
Thanks so much for the "bump". As new to the forum I appreciate getting to see such a great transformation from the past. That is awsome, what a great car.

Any comment on how the thing ran?

Jokeman
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:07 AM
Possibly the best transformation Ive seen on the site. Your work is unreal.

InfiniteDetail
Apr 29th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Just curious what the '41 Plymouth looks like now, 3 years later? Did the owner care for it and keep it looing as good as you left it?

Don
Apr 29th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Just curious what the '41 Plymouth looks like now, 3 years later? Did the owner care for it and keep it looing as good as you left it?


Hopefully Joe will see this and can let you know,

camisdad1
Apr 29th, 2008, 05:29 PM
That is just incredible. So inspiring....Someday...!

3.9square
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:36 PM
Ok Joe, I still want to know what was up with the fire dept. Lol. Also....DAMN! That is freaking amazing work you did sir!

Larry A
Apr 30th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Tell the truth, did you take the car some place and have it repainted? LOL . All kidding aside you did a outstanding job.

Superior Shine
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:39 AM
WOW over 20,000 + views!!!

Thanks for the kind words!

supercharged
May 2nd, 2008, 12:24 AM
WOW! It looks like a new paint!:wow1 Awesome!

Wills.WindowsAndWheels
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:14 PM
That was surely an awesome job. I found this link off of the 'topping fiberglass' thread you started about the same time as you posted this (5 years ago).

Great job!

Superior Shine
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:23 PM
Wow 5 years already AND 27,000+ VIEWS!!

Wills.WindowsAndWheels
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:29 PM
Wow 5 years already AND 27,000+ VIEWS!!

I'm sure there will still be more to come! I'm curious, would you say in these past 5 years you've gotten better at detailing....It's kinda hard to imagine doing BETTER that what you accomplished with that plymoth!

thedirtyshow
Jun 30th, 2010, 08:29 PM
God has truly blessed you with a gift.

FRS
Jun 30th, 2010, 08:39 PM
Probably the best save I've ever seen.

Cheers

Shawn T.
Jul 1st, 2010, 03:09 AM
Incredible! You are a truly talented man.

aerogt01
Aug 16th, 2010, 06:22 PM
If I ever need motivation on a finnicky Honda or a detail that takes much longer than I expected it to, I'll just think of the Plymouth and how much work you put into it, sir. Absolutely amazing.

Superior Shine
Dec 27th, 2010, 10:29 PM
If I ever need motivation on a finnicky Honda or a detail that takes much longer than I expected it to, I'll just think of the Plymouth and how much work you put into it, sir. Absolutely amazing.

Thank you. It was a blast to polish!

Raykreations
Dec 28th, 2010, 05:24 AM
Fantastic!!!!

David79z28
Dec 28th, 2010, 05:18 PM
Another masterpiece.

Albert87
Jan 30th, 2011, 07:18 AM
This was Heavily motivated to see:O
i tought i was good with my Golf MkIII

but THAt was insanly good makes me feel a rookie again :P
i but i really like how both turndout!

much kudos for that excelent work (y)

Superior Shine
May 10th, 2011, 08:25 PM
Again thank you!!!

Garage Troll
Jul 31st, 2011, 05:21 PM
I am still trying to peel my jaw off of the floor!

toyosle
Oct 13th, 2011, 07:24 PM
wow thats amazing!