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Mike Phillips
Jul 11th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Recommended Products for Removing Below Surface Paint Defects using the G100

Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11)
G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100)
1 each W-7006 SOFTBUFF™ Cutting Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70) (For use with the Gold Class Bonnets)
2 each W-8006 Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff<sup>®</sup>-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80) (For use applying cleaner/polishes)
1 each W-9006 SOFTBUFF™ Finishing Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90) (For use applying NXT Tech Wax)
#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-83)
#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80)
Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generation™-Tech-Wax&sku=G-127)
Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Supreme-Shine-Microfiber&sku=X-2010)
X4003 Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets 2-Pack (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=m-99)


Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G1116.jpg



G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G100A.jpg



1 each W-7006 SOFTBUFF™ Cutting Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70) (For use with the Gold Class Bonnets)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W7000.jpg



2 each W-8006 Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff<sup>®</sup>-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80) (For use applying cleaner/polishes)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W8006.jpg


1 each W-9006 SOFTBUFF™ Finishing Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90) (For use applying NXT Tech Wax)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W9000.jpg



#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-83)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_M8301.jpg



#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_M8001.jpg



Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generation™-Tech-Wax&sku=G-127)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G12718.jpg



Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Supreme-Shine-Microfiber&sku=X-2010)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_X2010.jpg



X4003 Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets 2-Pack (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=m-99)

Picture coming soon

RRaider
Jan 8th, 2006, 05:55 PM
Hey Mike, I have the wax, DA, pads are on the way, have the clay system, microfiber, and Show Car Glaze o7, along with DC#2. I understand the DC #2 is not recomended for use with the G100. Is the 07 close to the #83 or #80? If so which one so I can order the other.

TIA

Mike Phillips
Jan 8th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by RRaider
I understand the DC #2 is not recommended for use with the G100.

The Deep Crystal Polish is a pure polish, in Meguiar's terminology this means it contains no ingredients with the intended purpose of abrading the surface, in other words it is completely non-abrasive and it's primary purpose is to create gloss, clarity, richness of color.

It is perfectly fine to use with a dual action polisher, it would be the wrong product if your goal is to remove paint, or in other words, if your goal is to remove below surface defects because it's non-abrasive. If your goal is to remove below surface defects then we would recommend a cleaner/polish which is a polish that does contain ingredients with the intended purpose of abrading the surface.



Originally posted by RRaider
Is the 07 close to the #83 or #80? If so which one so I can order the other.

TIA

The #7 is close or similar to the Deep Crystal Polish, that is it's a pure polish and completely non-abrasive.

You need to read good old thread 2409 and focus on the section on polishes.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2409


Hope this helps...

RRaider
Jan 8th, 2006, 07:00 PM
LOL, Mike, it's pretty sad when you know thread numbers.

Thanks

Love 2 Detail
Jan 9th, 2006, 02:09 PM
how does the step 1 paint cleaner compair with the other paint cleaners while using the G100, ive only used step 1 by hand.

sneek
Jan 9th, 2006, 02:13 PM
step 1 is very mild even when using the g100.. i would say that it is one of the least aggresive products out there

however step 1 is good enough to remove paint transfer

Love 2 Detail
Jan 9th, 2006, 02:58 PM
that should be good enough for me then. my cars really dont have any flaws below surface that i can see, However im sure even though i maintain the paint very well there are still contaminants below surface that i can not see or feel. ive just used the step 1 each time before i waxed with nxt.

heres a question, i use step 1 before i wax with liquid nxt, i follow the 5 step cycle religously. Now if i was reading it correctly before waxing its best to clay then use the cleaner?

if the cleaner removes below surface imperfections, then it must also remove above contaminants as well, is that right? Or is it still really best to use clay, and the cleaner. Is there a time when you should just clay before waxing?

sneek
Jan 9th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Love 2 Detail
that should be good enough for me then. my cars really dont have any flaws below surface that i can see, However im sure even though i maintain the paint very well there are still contaminants below surface that i can not see or feel. ive just used the step 1 each time before i waxed with nxt.

heres a question, i use step 1 before i wax with liquid nxt, i follow the 5 step cycle religously. Now if i was reading it correctly before waxing its best to clay then use the cleaner?

if the cleaner removes below surface imperfections, then it must also remove above contaminants as well, is that right? Or is it still really best to use clay, and the cleaner. Is there a time when you should just clay before waxing?
ya if you need to clay then wash -> clay -> DC1-> DC2 (you didnt mention that you used a polish)-> NXT x2

i dont think that just because you clay that you should skip the paint cleaner

Love 2 Detail
Jan 9th, 2006, 03:20 PM
well i was told by a meguiars customer rep last year that if i used step 1 and i used nxt wax that i could could skip the polish step, because the nxt wax was like a polish and a wax combined. now that was the 1st that ive heard of that, it doesnt say that on the bottle of the wax.

Either way i dont mind polishing, i was just told that i could skip that step.

sneek
Jan 9th, 2006, 04:01 PM
lol theres a very very high chance that im wrong about the polish especially because you got advise from a megs rep so don't worrie about anything i said !

Ganesa
Mar 24th, 2009, 07:40 AM
an update of this thread would be great :]...

Andy M.
Mar 24th, 2009, 05:55 PM
an update of this thread would be great :]...

Have you looked here?

Product, Pad and Speed settings for the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2524&page=10)

Any other questions just ask.

Andy M.

Ganesa
Mar 25th, 2009, 06:14 AM
wow, thank you for the link, I haven't read that thread yet...

big thanks again...

terencegeh
Apr 13th, 2009, 09:22 AM
Hi,

I use a G110 dual action. Prior to getting the DA, i was hand waxing my car using the NXT tech wax.

Is the tech wax still good to use with the DA ? I see that the finishing foam pad is suggested for using with the NXT Tech Wax. Apart from finishing off with a cotton terry, can I also use a separate finishing pad to clean it off ?

Thanks,
Terence

Murr1525
Apr 13th, 2009, 10:08 AM
To remove a wax, you can either do it by hand, or with a cutting pad under a bonnet, usually a MF bonnet.

terencegeh
Apr 13th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Many thanks Murr1525. Will bear in mind.

Just can figure out why it is recomended that on the G110, that the 'Finishing Pad' be used with NXT Tech Wax instead of the 'Polishing Pad'.

Anyone have any idea why ?

Cheers Scottwax2

Murr1525
Apr 13th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Nxt Tech Wax is a wax.... Waxing is usualy done with a finishing pad.

socal
Apr 15th, 2009, 09:59 PM
hey Mike, what are the black pads for?

Murr1525
Apr 15th, 2009, 11:24 PM
There are two black pads.

One is the Softbuff 2.0 Finishing Pad, which is the new version of the tan 9006 pad in this article.

The other is a diamond cut pad for use with the Solo System.

Mike Phillips
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:16 AM
Many thanks Murr1525. Will bear in mind.

Just can figure out why it is recomended that on the G110, that the 'Finishing Pad' be used with NXT Tech Wax instead of the 'Polishing Pad'.

Anyone have any idea why ?

Cheers Scottwax2

A finishing pad is more gentle to the paint than a polishing pad and in most cases when a person is buffing out their car by machine they're using the polishing pads with their swirl and scratch removers so by the time they're done with the cleaning step the paint is clean, clear and smooth and ready for a finishing wax and at this point there's no need for a polishing pad when a finishing pad is available.

Polishing paint is an art form, not merely a mechanical grinding process so people work from the most aggressive product to the least aggressive products when creating a work of art.

Make sense?

Now if you wanted to get some cleaning power while applying NXT Tech Wax you could use the polishing pad because the foam itself can act as an abrasive and provide cleaning power even though it's really on the gentle side of cleaning power as compared to more aggressive cutting pads. How aggressive or gentle a product is is all all kind of relative to what it's being compared to.


hey Mike, what are the black pads for?

Like Matt said, there's a black finishing pad with a flat face and a black finishing pad with a diamond crisscross pattern cut into it. Here's some info on the pads with the diamond crisscross pattern cut into it.

The diamond pads have a crisscross or diamond cut pattern to the face of the pads and all the rest of our foam pads have a flat pad design. The diamond cut pattern is specific to the Solo compound as this product uses our super micro abrasive technology so there's no concern whether the abrasives build up in the grooves.

If you were to use this pad design with a diminishing abrasive there is the issue of some of the abrasives building up in the grooves and thus not being fully worked against the paint which is the goal and thus the reason to use a flat pad design with a diminishing abrasives.


Here's a link to a thread bout the Solo Pads...

Solo Pad System (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16681)


Diamond Foam Polishing Pad – WDFP7
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/WDFP7_DiamondPolishing.jpg


Diamond Foam Finishing Pad – WDFF7
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/500/WDFF7_DiamondFinishing.jpg


Here's another good read...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21214


:)