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Scottwax
Aug 16th, 2005, 11:51 AM
The Mr. Clean product works okay but is poorly constructed. Water leaks out of the bottom of the unit when you use the filtered water and the 'no bucket' method is horrible. Where am I supposed to put my wash pad and wheel brushes? The soap is nothing to write home about either. The RainX self dry product is probably the biggest piece of garbage I've ever bought. Half the time, the soap wouldn't dispense and whatever that rinse polymer was supposed to do to eliminate spots, it didn't do it. Real fun with a black Excursion. :mad:

Anyway, the type of product I envision being the best would be a combination filter/sprayer and you'd use traditional car wash soap (like NXT or Gold Class) and a bucket and the filter/sprayer would be used to spray down the car, rinse the soap off, the switch to filtered water for the final rinse.

How about it? http://www.scottwax.com/rice/videos/smilies/please.gif

Mike Phillips
Aug 16th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Hi Scott,

One thing I can tell you for sure and that's the posts in this forum get read!

Thank you for taking the time to share your comments and suggestions. :bigups

Scottwax
Aug 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Thanks, Mike!

I really hope Meguiars realizes the huge market that awaits them for a true, user-friendly spot free wash system.

Protect All's Quick and Easy Wash is spot free, but there are limits to how dirty a vehicle can be when using it and some people will never be comfortable not rinsing their vehicles before drying-and that is why such a spot free system is important to me. I have two customers who want their cars washed convetionally, not enough to invest in a pressure sprayer and deionized water system. Besides, one already has the sprayer and water filtration system. The other though, does not. Plus all his vehicles are black (on is the above mentioned Excursion). :wall:

Jbirk
Aug 30th, 2005, 06:57 PM
I don't like the idea of a using a pressureized water system.

I think your standard 40 to 100 PSI city water is plenty to wet the car, then you do the scrubbing, and it is more than enough to rinse too.

I know when I go in for car service and get my car washed they do a terrible job. Whatever they do they remove everything including the wax and get the car clean, but they also make a few small swirls (not too bad but about 3 to 5 times requires a serrious polish to fix), and the widnows always come out dirty as if they use something like you would expect a gas station to offer.

Rich91780
Nov 29th, 2005, 12:21 PM
i just purchased a unit to change my tap water into Deionized water. being that i have checked my water at house and the pH is 7.89 and the TDS is 240 and i filter the water to 1 micron
i checked the water in gallon container and it now reads a pH of 6.89 and a TDS of 004 it works O.K. i do find that it is only good for the rince cycle as pressuer is low. lets say it more like a sprinkler head. not real impressed with that. i still dry off my vehicle.
something i did notice is the soap seems to be quite stronger and will have to try a smaller amount. i used 1 oz per gallon of water also your hands get so dry from drying they will need help that evening.

the use this to keep down the water spots on my BLACK VAN not let me watch the water dry.

does anyone have a pH meter and a TDS meter to check there water. if you do not have all the information on your water its hard to establish how far you need to got with the water treatment.
:)

gb387
Dec 9th, 2005, 04:39 PM
Adding some more info to this post: I have looked at the Mr. Clean product every time I pass it in the store, I like the idea but.... One big turn off is the filter/soap, doesn't seem like you get much for your money. So maybe something in the meguiars line could utilize their current washes + filters.

sneek
Dec 9th, 2005, 04:58 PM
ive heard some reports that the Mr.Clean system doesn't do a very good job of cleaning the car some people say you have to wash your car with megs then re wash with mr.clean so you dont have to dry
but still washin beats the heak out of drying

I use the absorber the quicest way for my to dry a car!

Scottwax
Dec 11th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by sneek
but still washin beats the heak out of drying



Yeah, it would if it actually dried spot free. It doesn't, at least for me no matter what method I use. Their soap, Meguiars soap, both soaps, etc.

sneek
Dec 11th, 2005, 11:16 AM
hhehe i guess u hate Mr.Clean i wonder if the magic erasers for auto work ... any one try them before ?

Scottwax
Dec 11th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by sneek
hhehe i guess u hate Mr.Clean i wonder if the magic erasers for auto work ... any one try them before ?

Yeah, they are pretty good for cleaning wheels and kick plates and the bottom of door panels where dark soled shoes leave marks.

I don't hate the Mr. Clean system, it was a good idea, just terrible execution.

Rockpick
Feb 15th, 2006, 08:17 PM
I've been eyeballing something like this for a while and I finally bought the SPOT FREE WATER FILTER / SOFTENER system.

While I haven't written a review here as of yet as I need to upload pictures and such, you can view it HERE (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11172).

While we all know this isn't the place to really get into discussing the filtration system here, I'd be happy to entertain emails and/or PMs if you have questions until I get the review here -- if Mike/2hotford will allow it...

UPDATE -- This review is now available on MOL! CLICK HERE (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11172)


RP :D

sneek
Feb 16th, 2006, 06:49 AM
wow thats pretty expensive

and long write up! how mad would you be if you left that out and someone stole it although it doesn't look like something that is $300

Tim Lingor
Feb 16th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Rockpick
I've been eyeballing something like this for a while and I finally bought the SPOT FREE WATER FILTER / SOFTENER system.

While I haven't written a review here as of yet as I need to upload pictures and such, you can view the rough copy HERE (http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229117).

While we all know this isn't the place to really get into discussing the filtration system here, I'd be happy to entertain emails and/or PMs if you have questions until I get the review here -- if Mike/2hotford will allow it...


RP :D

Hey Brad,

Great to hear from you again! :)

I do not see a problem with you posting the info on to MOL as long as the commercial links are removed. Otherwise, I really enjoyed reading your write-up! :xyxthumbs I may have to consider one of the filter kits for myself! :)

Tim

Rockpick
Feb 18th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by sneek
wow thats pretty expensive

and long write up! how mad would you be if you left that out and someone stole it although it doesn't look like something that is $300

It is a little on the heavy side from a wallet perspective but, for me, it was well worth it (note the test strip demonstration -- hard to beat that!).

The materials that it's manufactured with are pretty high end -- like you though, the overall cost is harsh for what you're getting out of the box. I suspect that the resin material utilized in the actual filter isn't cheap as I've dealt with several types of materials along these lines in ion-exchange groundwater remedial systems (typically used for metals remediation). Either way though, I stand by the cost being a fair one as I sincerely believe that this is an item that you pay for what you get -- what I got was something LIGHT YEARS beyond the clumsy Mr. Clean filter garbage and something that is going to LAST for years and years. No regrets -- well, not yet. ;)

RP :D

Rockpick
Feb 18th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by 2hotford
Hey Brad,

Great to hear from you again! :)

I do not see a problem with you posting the info on to MOL as long as the commercial links are removed. Otherwise, I really enjoyed reading your write-up! :xyxthumbs I may have to consider one of the filter kits for myself! :)

Tim

Hi Tim... I appreciate the response. Naturally, I will remove the links to 'other' products before posting as I know that's a violation of the rules -- it wasn't too long ago that I was enforcing them too ya know. ;)

Which forum?

-Brad-
AKA: Rockpick

Rockpick
Feb 20th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Rockpick
Which forum?

Hey Tim/Mike -- I never heard back from you guys on this and thus, I placed the thread in Detailing 101.... wasn't sure where else to stick it...

THREAD LINK HERE (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11172)

356driver
Nov 6th, 2006, 02:31 PM
I found this old thread out of curiosity over alternative forms of spot free rinse systems. There are some expensive units targeted at professionals, and there is Mr. Clean. I think Meguiars might want to dust off their marketing studies and take another look at this opportunity.

We have two classes of cars in my family - the ones I fuss over and the family cars. Similarly there are two classes of car washers - me and two teenage boys. We use the Mr. Clean unit but with a twist. And it helps to have the right expectations.

First of all the bottom line. For a gimicky, poorly constructed product the darn thing works better than you would expect. When it comes to spot free, it is actually pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good. So how do we make use of it?

For the boys, it is better to put the Mr. Clean unit in their hands then a conventional hose, bucket and drying cloth. They will get better results from the Mr. Clean spot free spray, simply because they don't use the drying cloth as well as I do. Eventually they will get it but right now they are too busy being teenagers.

I conclude that Mr. Clean's target market is the average family guy who wants to get the car washed as painlessly as possible and go back to watching the game on TV. (See Mike, I did listen to your lecture.) It cleans well enough to satisfy the average user and the effort-to-reward ratio is favorable.

But I also use the Mr. Clean unit. I don't use the soap dispenser or the regular water sprayer. Instead I use a bucket (with Meguiars Gold Car Wash) and hose to wash the car. Then I use the Mr. Clean spot free setting to do a final rinse. Why? Because the spot free rinse gives me a better starting point before I start to dry with cloth or chamois. A lot of the rinse sheens off, and what remains has lower TDS (total dissolved solids). In a perfect world I wouldn't worry about any of this because of my excellent drying technique. But in my imperfect driveway the spot free rinse leaves less water to remove and if some of it dries before I get to it, the spotting is dramatically reduced.

I believe there is room for both the Mr. Clean product, and a spot free rinse unit under the Meguiars brand. Is it possible that Meguiars could leverage the work already done by Proctor & Gamble? Maybe by license or OEM relationship. Maybe build a unit that uses the same filter cartridges? A smaller, better constructed, single-purpose spot free sprayer might be very popular amongst the enthusiast crowd.

Thanks for allowing me to add my $0.02.

Mike Phillips
Nov 6th, 2006, 03:20 PM
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I believe there is room for both the Mr. Clean product, and a spot free rinse unit under the Meguiars brand. Is it possible that Meguiars could leverage the work already done by Proctor & Gamble? Maybe by license or OEM relationship. Maybe build a unit that uses the same filter cartridges? A smaller, better constructed, single-purpose spot free sprayer might be very popular amongst the enthusiast crowd.

Thanks for allowing me to add my $0.02.


Thank you for sharing your $0.02 :xyxthumbs


Marketing reads this forum so we can assure you that your feedback will be read.

insp23
Dec 12th, 2006, 06:24 AM
I saved some money on not buying Mr. Clean auto dry. Thanks for the reviews.

cafemoc
Jan 16th, 2007, 07:03 PM
well...this thread started Aug 05, and its Jan 07.

I am wondering if there's way to use Mr. Clean AutoDry Refill Filter alone with generic filter canister for spot free rinse purpose?
If I can find a canister, refill filter is less than $8 at Amazon :xyxthumbs

356driver
Jan 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM
well...this thread started Aug 05, and its Jan 07.

I am wondering if there's way to use Mr. Clean AutoDry Refill Filter alone with generic filter canister for spot free rinse purpose?
If I can find a canister, refill filter is less than $8 at Amazon :xyxthumbs

If only some creative geniouses at a leading car care products company :idea: would design such a cannister, I'd dispense with my bulky Mr. Clean unit.

d.mopar
Mar 8th, 2007, 04:56 PM
i tryed the mr.clean and i hated it..stripped of all my wax protection and rainx. i dont trust 3x concentrate

356driver
Mar 8th, 2007, 05:08 PM
i tryed the mr.clean and i hated it..stripped of all my wax protection and rainx. i dont trust 3x concentrate

So the answer is to wash with Mequiars, rinse with the Mr. Clean unit as I described above. I do it all the time with excellent results. I don't trust Mr. Clean concentrate either. But I also don't like spraying mineral-laden tap-water all over my nicely washed car, no matter how well I dry.

elmagoo
Sep 19th, 2008, 11:56 PM
So it's now 2008 and I know this is an old post, I found it while doing research on water filters for washing the car. I have the Mr. Clearn system and I wanted to share how you can use any soap you want with it as I do (meaning you don't have to use the Mr. Clean soap).

The first thing I did was specifically measure how many ounces it took to fill up the chamber on the unit. I poured 2 tablespoons at a time (because 2 = 1 ounce) and figured out that it holds 6 ounces of water. Then what I did was take the original sample bottle that came with the unit (although any kind of clear bottle with a small spount cap will do), and then slowly filled it up an ounce at a time and then for each ounce I marked the water level on the bottle (did this all the way up to 6 ounces). Then I just experimented with the ratio of how much car soap to water worked the best as the whole point of how the system works is that you just need a concentrated amount of soap for it to dispense. I've been using Zaino Z7 soap, but Gold Class or NXT or whatever can work just as well. For Z7 I found the best results are at 2 ounces of Z7 to 4 ounces of water (I only mention the Zaino so people have a point of reference for those that have used it compared to other soaps and how lathery they both are so they can make a judgement on how much to mix). So I mix everything up in the bottle and shake it, then squeeze it into the unit and voila (this is why you want a clear bottle with a small spout cap, and also why the original Mr. Clean sample bottle works perfectly), you can now use the soap dispenser in the unit and go bucketless. I have an Infiniti G37 and can get about 3 washes before having to re-fill the dispenser.

So I use a washmit on my left hand, then use the Mr. Clean on the right. Spray a section of the car with the soap setting, put the unit down and then aggitate with the mitt. Then I switch over to the regular rinse water setting on the unit and clear off the panel on the car, and I also rinse off the mitt on my hand to get out all of the dirt that was picked up. I do half the car with one side of the mitt, and then reverse the mitt to do the other side. Works like a charm :). One key though is I do the tires first using the tire brushes and special wheel cleaning solution. Finalize the whole wash with the spot-free setting and then do a hand dry because I still find that it doesn't do a good enough job being 100% spot free. Hence why I'm looking for a system to hook up to the hose :).

Anyways, I wanted to share the info as it does make washing the car MUCH easier as there's no bucket hassle.

Benson

sneek
Sep 20th, 2008, 09:12 AM
I guess I am pretty late on this too.

I now have a CR Spotless DIC-20 with cart, and I am happy to report it works very well. I can't help but dry some spots off though, I am not the type to wait! I plan on trying it on my metallic black accord sometime within the next month. I haven't driven my accord in 3 weeks so it is just dusty.

Megafast13
Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:08 PM
I have the Mr. Clean and love it. But nothing like this is for the true detailer.

It is for the slightly above average person that wants to keep their car clean with very little work involved.

Mr.Clean is a P&G Product. All they do is rip you off with the stupid refills of soap and new filters. Definitely not worth it. Also, there is no way to rinse off your Mitt that comes with it.

I would rather see Meguiar's come out with a Foam Gun, than a product like this...

Just my opinion...

Megafast13
Dec 29th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I would like to see a Meguiar's Foam Gun