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Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 12:15 PM
Did not get any replies to my first post so figured I would post a follow up.

Today, I called the 800# and placed my intial order up for the G-100 as well as pads and products to support it.

Thus far, I have on order:

G-1000A - Electric Dual Action Polisher
WDAV99-B - Set of 3 Polishing Pads (x2)
X4003 - Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets (x2)
W7006 - SOFTBUFF™ Cutting Pad
M8001 - Speed Glaze
D15501 - Last Touch Spray Detailer
D20155 - Last Touch OSHA Compliant Bottle (x2)

I think the above selection will get me started on the right foot with the G-100A, hope so amyway. I am working on a new "06 White Honda Ridgeline that I have kept looking pretty sweet thus far using the NXT line by hand. I plan on continuing with the NXT Tech Wax as a LSP, at least until I run out of the 2 cans I have then consider playing with some products from the detailer line, possibly the #21.

I do have a question though. The fellow on the phone recommended I use the X4003 - Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets for wax Removal. I took his advice and ordered a couple but now that I did that I am thinking I seem to rememeber seeing a few threads from others about their having used other pads/bonnets and getting great results. Can some of you folks chime in here and possibly clear this up for me as I am totoally new to the DA and wnt to get started on the right foot.

Also, next question. Why is is referrred to as the "DA"? just curious.

And then, I would love to hear/see any thoughts from those of you that have better familiarity with the DA as to any products and/or support items I may have overlooked here.

Thanks a heap folks

gb387
Sep 1st, 2005, 12:25 PM
Congrats on the order! You have a very good start.

Sorry to hear your first post was not answered so I thought I would chime in.

Using a Gold Class Bonnet (using the cutting pad as a backing pad ONLY) to remove wax works very well. When removing NXT with the PC IMO it gives you a deeper looking finished product.

Here is a good post on pads/speeds: Product, Pad and Speed settings for the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2524)

M8001 - Speed Glaze - Great product I have used it and really like it, easy to use, just don't let it dry.

Last Touch Spray Detailer - Another great product I use it all the time, seems a little will go along ways.

Good luck let use know how things work out or if you have some more questions... post some photos.

NXT Wax - You just need a thin coat, let it set for 15 min or so then remove with the Bonnet and PC. I like to appy a second coat of NXT Wax 12-24 hours after the first coat, seems to add some more depth to the paint and may even the look out.

DA = Dual Action

Here is a lighter color that I used my PC on with the following:
1. #80 - Applied with PC removed by hand
2. #26 - Applied with PC removed with PC and Bonnet
3. NXT Paste Wax - Applied with PC removed with PC and Bonnet

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/121Image00016-med.jpg

Mike Phillips
Sep 1st, 2005, 02:33 PM
Yep... Jeff's right... no one answered his first posted here according to forum time at 1:35am

Ordering a G-100, but need some tips - posted: Aug 31st, 2005 at 01:35 AM (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=63212)


I apologize for that. I was on the computer processing e-mail and posting answers starting at 6:00am this morning as shown here in this thread, but somehow yours slipped by me...

posted: Sep 1st, 2005 at 06:07 AM (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8104)

I was up early posting the morning you posted also...

posted: Aug 31st, 2005 at 06:20 AM (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8086)


So it's not for a lack of trying, it's just there will always be a few that slip by... sorry...


I'm actually stepping out to run to the store but when I get back home I'll do my best to post some information for you...

Tim Lingor
Sep 1st, 2005, 02:53 PM
Hey Jeff,

Until Mike's return...I will post a write-up he completed back in July answering your very question! :)



Recommended Products for Removing Below Surface Paint Defects using the G100

Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11)
G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100)
1 each W-7006 SOFTBUFF™ Cutting Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70) (For use with the Gold Class Bonnets)
2 each W-8006 Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff<sup>®</sup>-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80) (For use applying cleaner/polishes)
1 each W-9006 SOFTBUFF™ Finishing Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90) (For use applying NXT Tech Wax)
#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-83)
#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80)
Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generation™-Tech-Wax&sku=G-127)
Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Supreme-Shine-Microfiber&sku=X-2010)
X4003 Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets 2-Pack (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=m-99)


Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=g-11)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G1116.jpg



G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=G-100)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G100A.jpg



1 each W-7006 SOFTBUFF™ Cutting Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Cutting-Pad&sku=W-70) (For use with the Gold Class Bonnets)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W7000.jpg



2 each W-8006 Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff<sup>®</sup>-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80) (For use applying cleaner/polishes)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W8006.jpg


1 each W-9006 SOFTBUFF™ Finishing Pad (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF™-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90) (For use applying NXT Tech Wax)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_W9000.jpg



#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=M-83)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_M8301.jpg



#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?parentURL=index_pro.cfm&sku=M-80)

http://www.meguiars.com/estore/products/product_M8001.jpg



Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=NXT-Generation™-Tech-Wax&sku=G-127)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_G12718.jpg



Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Supreme-Shine-Microfiber&sku=X-2010)

http://meguiars.com/estore/products/product_X2010.jpg



X4003 Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets 2-Pack (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=m-99)

Picture coming soon

I hope the above information helps! Also, as Mike said, we do our best to answer as many questions as possible. Yet some slip past. I know Mike works incredible hours answering questions as one look at his post count, which is nearly 4 times that of the next highest poster. His are quality posts; not just posts that build a post count and do nothing for a forum. But like I said, some posts that are posted at irregular hours sometimes get missed accidently. :(

If you have any further questions regarding the above suggested products, please feel free to post them! :)

Tim

Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 03:19 PM
Thanks for the follow up folks. Looks like I am on the right track. I did not order the #83 as yet. I was under the impression that I should use the #80 first and if that does not take out the few microfiber marks and minor scratches I have then proceed with the #83. I'll refresh my memory here by looking at the stuff you guys have posted.

I may just go ahead and call back tomorrow and order the #83 even if I need it or not. I am sure I will need it eventually. Be handy to have it in house.

I will call Meg's tomorrow anyway as the Clay Detailing kit from the consumer line has been out of stock for about 2 months or so now. I have some backordered but it's been that way for quite a while. Maybe I'll look at the C2000 from the pro line and cross my fingers that they have it in stock. If they don't, I am gonna have to bite the bullet and go buy the mother's kit from my local Autozone as nobody around here seems to carry Meg's Clay Detailing System.

And I hope I did not seem impatient waiting for a reply from the forum members. I just got a bug up my backside today and decided not to put off getting the DA any longer.

I'll try to get out tomorrow and snap a couple of pics of the one or 2 places on the truck that might take a little extra lovin' and post them and get some feedback.

Oh, put this in your lesson learned file. I had some Rain-X Window Wax I bought a few weeks ago for the windows. I liked the old Rain-X original so figured I would try the Rain-X Window Wax. Tried it, did not like it. No biggie. But yesterday while detailing figured I might as well try to find a use for it so put it on my headlights and taillights. The headlights went fine, no problems. I put it on the tailights and could not get it off. Tried Mutipurpose cleaner and NXT Speed detail then NXT Window cleaner. Nothing would get it off. Actually had to break out the Isopropyl Alcohol. Gave what was left of the stuff to a buddy and warned him about it.

Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 03:55 PM
Trying to post my first pic here. It was taken at night here but I think gets the point across,

This is respresentative of my 2 trouble spots. On my tailgate on both lower corner I made my first effort at debadging a vehicle. I think where I goofed at was rubbing too hard/too long with the Isopropyl Alcohol Soaked microfiber. The marks are not deep at all but I would like to address them.

Will the #80 remove these?

I guess the best bet is to use #80 and see then proceed to the #83 if need be.



http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/uploads/4233/Picture_020.jpg

gb387
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:10 PM
I got your photo to work, here it is
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/uploads/4233/Picture_020.jpg

Mike Phillips
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:12 PM
First... Thanks Tim, for posting that information... The images look whacked because for whatever reasons, that's how they create them for meguiars.com. Chris Nemlich has actually been pretty good about taking the images from meguiars.com and cropping them and then uploading them into our Gallery for our use so we don't have all the gray background in our posts. I'll track down the original post above and re-code to show the cropped images.

(Thanks Chris! :) )

Jeff,

As for the areas you've inserted, use the M80 and work a small area for a long time, as in three passes, three different ways as outlined in the how-to article in the How To Forum.

You might even do this twice, if you do be sure you remove the residue from the first application before applying new product as to not adulterate the new product with old product.

If two applications of well worked-in M80 do not work then it will be time to substitute the M83

Thank you for your patience and be sure to show a profile shot of your new Ridgeline. I was at the local Honda dealership and I could hear one calling my name...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2Ridgeline.jpg

Mike Phillips
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by gb387
I got your photo to work, here it is


This is so weird...

When I returned to the computer I edited his post to show the photo and saved it then added my own reply to this thread, but somehow the edit never took?

Ghost in the machine I guess....

I re-edited it, but a big thank you to forum members like yourself taking the time to help out with little things like this. :bow

Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:32 PM
Ok sounds like I have the plan. Use the #80 in multiple passes if need be. Will look over the instruction here in a bit. Cleaning up the gear from wash job today.

BTW, here is a link to a few pics of my truck on the Honda Ridgeline Owner's Forum. My little pet project is coming along. Getting the windows tinted in 10 hours.

http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2268

Thanks for all the pointers guys. With the Info provided, I am sure I can get off to a good start. I am sure questions will arise. But I know a good place to find answers. Thanks Guys

gb387
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:37 PM
j333_76484

That is a great looking truck! The wheels really set it off... Do you have any interior photos? I have only seen one around town and not had a close look yet.

:bigups :bigups

Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:40 PM
No but I'll be glad to snap a few tomorrow. Dark here now so they would likely not come out well. But I'll put them up for you. No Problem

Mike Phillips
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:46 PM
Jeff that's really a sharp looking rig...

I downloaded one of your pictures, adjusted the color and uploaded it into your gallery here,

Jeff's Gallery (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=4233&cat=500&password=)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/4233JeffsRidgline.jpg

If you don't know how to work with photos inside online communities like this one and others, here's some articles on the subject for your perusal...

How to put pictures into your posts (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3188)

Jeff Smith
Sep 1st, 2005, 04:55 PM
Thanks for the comments guys. I have never really been into car care nor tweaking vehicles but this new truck has me pretty enthusiastic. Getting expensive though. Bought everything in the Gold line. Tried NXT. The bought everything in the NXT line. Now buying a G-100. I am running out of storage space here.

But, I have a nice selection of products on hand for various purposes, so I don't mind too much. They'll get used.

Gave a big box of my old NON MEG'S products to my neighbor. Said pick what you want and throw the rest in the Garbage.

Thanks for the link for dealing with pics. Will read tomorrow. 10 PM here and my knees are killing me from the days wash&wax.

Thanks again folks. I'll try to get some better pics tomorrow now that she is clean and waxed and after the tint job is done. Won;t forget the inside

Mike Phillips
Sep 1st, 2005, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by j333_76484

Gave a big box of my old NON MEG'S products to my neighbor. Said pick what you want and throw the rest in the Garbage.



I can't count how many times I've heard this in my life...

Jeff Smith
Sep 2nd, 2005, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by gb387
j333_76484

That is a great looking truck! The wheels really set it off... Do you have any interior photos? I have only seen one around town and not had a close look yet.

:bigups :bigups

I just uploaded the pics of the interior to my Gallery. No sense putting all of them in here.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/showgallery.php?si=&perpage=16&sort=1&cat=500&ppuser=4233&friendemail=email@yourfriend.com&password=

Jeff Smith
Sep 19th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Jeff,

As for the areas you've inserted, use the M80 and work a small area for a long time, as in three passes, three different ways as outlined in the how-to article in the How To Forum.

You might even do this twice, if you do be sure you remove the residue from the first application before applying new product as to not adulterate the new product with old product.

If two applications of well worked-in M80 do not work then it will be time to substitute the M83

OK, I am off all next week to knock out some stuff around the house, including the truck project. I do have a couple more questions before I get going though.

I am changing up a bit and going with 2 coats of #20 topped with One Coat of #21. I like NXT but know have the BUG and want to experiment.

I understand Mike's input of multiple passes of #80 to remove the marks on the tailgate. If no go, then proceed to #83. Clear on that.

I have also purchased.
#82
#7
#2
#9

My question is, would I get any benefit of more shine, depth or reflection if I were to include any of the products listed above into the schedule? And if so at what point should I include them. For example would there be any benefit of using #70 after #80? And should I use either of the other products in the mix.

And if I could get a little more out of it from some other product not listed, what would that be, and at what point should I include those? Last night I orderd a 12 oz. Sample of every product Meg's makes for working with the paint. So I'll have stuff up the wazoo here in a few days. Also ordered 3 each of all the 6.5"pads to go along with the 5 of each type I have already.

I have a total of nine days off and plan on enjoying the weather and playing with my new DA as well as possibly the new Makita 9227 that will be here friday. I don't have the experience to put that to heavy work on a brand new paint job but I have the old beater I might play with.

So if I can do anything to get a little more pop outta this thing, I am all ears. I want bragging rights around here ya know.:D

Jeff Smith
Sep 20th, 2005, 10:36 AM
I figured I would put another post on this to move it up in the cue.

Still looking for info concerning the previous post

romulus
Sep 20th, 2005, 11:14 AM
Hello Jeff,
I guess that you got the Big time the detailing bug :) But here are my recommendations since it seems that you are similar products. Nothing wrong with that since you are still experimenting.

QUOTE "I am changing up a bit and going with 2 coats of #20 topped with One Coat of #21. I like NXT but know have the BUG and want to experiment."

#20 and #21 are polymer sealant like the NXT. The #21 combines traits from both #20 and NXT wax. i.e. depth and durability. So I would use either of the waxes mentioned. I have not tried the #21, but if you do have available I would use the 21 with 2 coats only. I believe by then the paint have reached its full potential.



I have also purchased.
#82
#7
#2
#9

QUOTE "My question is, would I get any benefit of more shine, depth or reflection if I were to include any of the products listed above into the schedule?"
IMO, your truck is basically new and white. Trying to create more reflection or depth would be harder to see. Here is an article from Mike regarding white paint for more in depth analysis.

http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=39

QUOTE "And if so at what point should I include them. For example would there be any benefit of using #70 after #80? And should I use either of the other products in the mix."

I am assuming that #70 is #7. #80 has a lot of the rich oils from #7 so, you can skip it this time. The only time I use it is when I don¡¦t need to remove paint defects with #80. So, my routine is Wash, clay if needed, #7 , and NXT. As far as #2 if you have the new formula you can use it with your DA. Just read the back label to confirm the application method. I think that #2 is in between #83 and #80 as far as agresiveness.

QUOTE "I have a total of nine days off and plan on enjoying the weather and playing with my new DA as well as possibly the new Makita 9227 that will be here friday. I don't have the experience to put that to heavy work on a brand new paint job but I have the old beater I might play with."

Just be careful with the Makita. It takes a lot of practice to master it. I would recommend learning to use the DA first. It is fairly simple and BO BOO Proof. Once you are ready to step up, practice with a junk hood or panel. Don't want to see that you made holograms in you new ride or even in your beater.

Cheers.

Jeff Smith
Sep 20th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by romulus
Hello Jeff,
I guess that you got the Big time the detailing bug :) But here are my recommendations since it seems that you are similar products. Nothing wrong with that since you are still experimenting.

Yep, I am new to all this and plan on working on it while off. I want to make sure I have done whatever I can to get as much shine outta this thing as I can since I will have the time and products with which to do it



#20 and #21 are polymer sealant like the NXT. The #21 combines traits from both #20 and NXT wax. i.e. depth and durability. So I would use either of the waxes mentioned. I have not tried the #21, but if you do have available I would use the 21 with 2 coats only. I believe by then the paint have reached its full potential.

I am doing this as a result of some discussion on this on another thread:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8380


Originally posted by 2hotford
Hey Jeff,

The best way to make white stand out is to make it glossy as you can not make it look deep like a dark color. After spending a great deal of time with #21, it looks fantastic all on its own. However, as I mentioned in the quote above, Meg's #16 does add a little more reflective look, but it is not a tremendous difference. Another combo I have been using on white is using #20 Polymer Sealant topped with #21. This also creates a very highly reflective finish with an awesome gloss!



#IMO, your truck is basically new and white. Trying to create more reflection or depth would be harder to see. Here is an article from Mike regarding white paint for more in depth analysis.

http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=39

I'll check that out. Thanks



I am assuming that #70 is #7. #80 has a lot of the rich oils from #7 so, you can skip it this time. The only time I use it is when I don¡¦t need to remove paint defects with #80. So, my routine is Wash, clay if needed, #7 , and NXT. As far as #2 if you have the new formula you can use it with your DA. Just read the back label to confirm the application method. I think that #2 is in between #83 and #80 as far as agresiveness.

I think what I might do is go with Mike's recommendation, as well as yours and use the #80 on the tailgate and jump up to #83 if needed with the DA. I may use #7 SHOW CAR GLAZE on the rest of the vehicle andalso as a finishing step to the tailgat before going for the LSP. The rest of the truck is fine except from a few MF instilled marks.


QUOTE]Just be careful with the Makita. It takes a lot of practice to master it. I would recommend learning to use the DA first. It is fairly simple and BO BOO Proof. Once you are ready to step up, practice with a junk hood or panel. Don't want to see that you made holograms in you new ride or even in your beater.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, me neither. But trust me the beater is not going to see any improvement from the DA. When I get ready t start it I'll take some pics first and start a new thread. This thing has the whole gambit of problems for me to play with.

Superior Shine
Sep 20th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Part of your question was about the use of the micro fiber bonnets for the DA.

I don't like'em but only for removing product from the surface of large vehicles such as an RV or travel trailer.

To use one on a car or truck removes the romance of feeling the slickness of freshly polished paint. There isn't another part of detailing that I enjoy more than removing product by hand with a micro fiber folded in fours in my hand, gliding it over the curves -removing the LSP revealing the brilliant shine.

Jeff Smith
Sep 20th, 2005, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Superior Shine
Part of your question was about the use of the micro fiber bonnets for the DA.

I don't like'em but only for removing product from the surface of large vehicles such as an RV or travel trailer.

Noted, somethin to think about


[o use one on a car or truck removes the romance of feeling the slickness of freshly polished paint. There isn't another part of detailing that I enjoy more than removing product by hand with a micro fiber folded in fours in my hand, gliding it over the curves -removing the LSP revealing the brilliant shine.

Careful there fella We are gonna loose our "G" rating here. I am getting excited.:D

So in your opinion, Hand removal of the LSP yields better results than through the use of the DA w/ MF bonnet? Or are you just talking about the emotional aspect of the Hand rubbing?