View Full Version : Southern California MG Club at Meguiar's!

Mike Phillips
Sep 16th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Southern California MG Club at Meguiar's!


Mike Phillips
Sep 17th, 2005, 01:42 PM
When we hold these classes, we usually try to use a car from the club that matches the namesake of the club, as it worked out, one of the members brought an old Volvo that had been sitting in storage for around 20 years. It was oxidized and filled with gross swirls, so we used it to teach proper detailing techniques for today's class.






This was a great class full of enthusiastic car crazy people! Here are the folks that made it all the way to the end...



Sep 17th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Thank You

Once again this was my second event and i still learned so much from last time..... and thank you for feeding me knowledge, I feel more confident then ever before.... I feel I can now tackle the detailing process... I need to just practice practice...... I was using the DA more and felt comfortable.... Seeing how you use it and the way you detail is an artform and you make it seem so easyyyyy....

It was a very good class you presented, very good... so good I am willing to buy you pizza next time and a soda lol.... By the way anytime you need help (let me know) or feel like working on some cars that are a few years old let me know I have two for you lol....

Thank you for Meguiars Online and thank you Barry Meguiar for giving Mike P the opportunity to shine..... I was once told "Do what you love" cause if you don't, it will show... Thanks Meguiars for offering these types of classes I know no other manufacture that does this...This is a valuebale class....never let this go as well as The MOL form but most importantly Mike P..... I'm sure you don't have to do any of this but you do because you are into cars like us and making high quality products....

i like the motto you have"If we bring a product out it must surpass all other or else we will not bring it out"...and i vouch for that statement first hand.....Thank You To the folks who allowed us to work on there green Volvo(i hope you liked using the g100)....

Mike i use to detail my car but then as the years went by i got lazy.going to your class rejuvinated me and tought me more then i can process lol...i learned so much and i will definately practice everything you taught me i am in debt to you and meguiars...i am a Meguiars User for life from now on....i know have the energy to detail my car but must importantly the right way...

I apologize if I have said anything wrong or misspelled I am just so excited tomorrow I will wake up and start working on my car.Thank You to everyone you all have a great weekend....

Thanks Again Meguiars Team

miguel :bounce

Tom Panagos
Sep 17th, 2005, 03:26 PM
Thanks for all the good information about keeping our cars looking good. I learned a lot about your products and saw firsthand how they worked on my car.

My car looks great thanks to you and all the others who helped clean up my dingy Volvo.

Tom Panagos
Southern California MG Club

Sep 18th, 2005, 07:05 AM

First off thank you personally for all the hard work, effort, and passion you put into detailing cars and sharing with the public your knowledge. And kudo's to Barry Meguiar to hire you and provide the facility's free of charge to us car enthusiasts. And feeding us (Twice) is nice touch.

The best compliment I can give you Mike, is that my Mom (who is not a car nut or really a car enthusiast, but does car about her car apperance , IE she let's me take care of her car, who came along because we had a engagement later that day) said "that class was better than I thought is was going to be." I had pumped her up about the class for about a month (the autopian detail class which I still hope to attend in a month)

She was thoroughly impressed!!!!

I knew I was going to be because I have read about Mike's reputation on www.autopia.com, a real car nuts appearance site, and Mike is very well respected among the best detailers in the country.

This class is great for people with little or no knowledge, and is also works for the hard core enthusiasts as two professional detailers attended, even one from as far as CO.

It's hard to sum up the experience in a short article, but anyone who likes car, and has a free Saturday, this is a no brainer, go to one of these detail classes. And bring your wife or girlfriend. She'll understand why you need to buy all these products, in fact she might even encourage you to buy more products.

But to make one thing clear. This class is not a sales pitch. Mike does not even try to sale a thing. But if you want to get some of the hard to get items, they are offered at a discount at the end of the day but I REPEAT THIS IS NOT SALES PITCH, but a fun learning class if you want it, or a social gathering for club members with cool cars.

To sum it, it you ever get a chance to go, IT IS A NO BRAINER, GO ASAP, and bring your wife, girlfriend, or family members. And for hardcore guys, Mike takes the time to answers all the questions. And we did talk about non Meguiar products too.

In fact I liked it so much, I hope to repeat it again for the autopian detail day next month, please find a seat for me Mike.

The old MG's and Volvo were certainly cool. The restoration was quite amazing on the Volvo. I got to use a PC for the first time, (passenger side of hood) and although my results were not as good as Mike (DUH) 20 years of experience they weren't bad or horrible. If I practice, read the forums, use the right products, pads, I shoud get good results, but PCs do have limitations. But what that PC did with one product with basically biginners was amaxzing on that car.

Thanks again Mike for both a fun and informative day for me and my mom.


Robert Bond
Sep 18th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Hi Mike,
We just wanted to thank you again for the great class yesterday. It was very informative and you made it entertaining as well.
Best Regards,
Bob and Vicki Bond

Sep 18th, 2005, 04:48 PM
well... since Mike had to go on about his Honda Pilot, thought I'd get my plug in for the "poor cousin". Here's some rather poor quality pics of my daily driver- an '04 Saturn Vue, in Rainforest Green. It's the "poor cousin" because it's got the same Honda-sourced 3.5L V6 engine & 5 spd auto tranny as the Pilot... it's just dropped into a more pedestrian (and LIGHTER) body- it's surprisingly quick.

the clearcoat seems to be EXTREMELY hard, as I've only put a very few scratches into it in the past year of normal exterior care. It's garaged at night, but sits out baking in the high desert sun all day during the workweek.

I didn't drive it down for the detailing day, as it gets enough "lovin" at home & figured I'd take the Mustang on a top-down cruise back up the coast on the way home (used to live in Huntington Beach).

Many thanks to Mike & Meguiar's... I got exactly what I'd hoped to out of the "clinic"... and I don't mean the pizza!



the flake really pops in the sun...


here's another... not bad for just regular care/maintenance...


Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 01:28 PM
Here's a fine example of an MGA brought to Meguiar's for the SoCal MG Detailing Class,





Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Here's an Austin Healey Sprite,



And here's an MGB,


Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Most members chose to drive their non MG-car and for this reason we had a number of interesting vehicles on hand this day...

First was the young lady who brought her BMW to show us the Dealer Installed Swirl Option also known as DISO that is so common to new and used cars purchased through dealerships.


Because of the light color of the paint and the angle of the sun it was hard to capture the full extent of the damage done to the finish of her car, but here are couple of photos that you can easily see the zig-zag pattern caused by the mis-use of a rotary buffer...





We taught this young lady how to use our G100 Dual Action Polisher with the M80 Speed Glaze to remove the swirls herself instead of relying on the dealership to do it right the second time.

Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 03:17 PM
We also had a new Thunderbird,


And a brand spanking new Pontiac Solstice without the dealer installed swirl option!




Sep 19th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Great photos, thanks! And thank you as well for the fantastic class. I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do, as well as what to stop doing immediately! You run a great workshop and I hope the company recognizes how much the car enthusiast crowd appreciates your hard work.

Companies in all different fields run workshops such as these, but none I have seen have put as much personal effort into making sure the students leave well educated. Instead, most of them concentrate on sales pitches to try and pay for the instructor's salary!

I'm sure you made great sales off this class but it certainly wasn't because of your sales pitch as there was virtually none. You relied on education instead and therefore everyone bought products because they could see the real value in them rather than taking some clown's word for it.

Once again thanks for the great class!

Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Like I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, when we hold these classes, we usually try to pick a car from the club that matches the namesake of the club, as it worked out, one of the members brought an old Volvo that had been sitting in storage for around 20 years. It was oxidized and filled with gross swirls, so we used it to teach proper detailing techniques for today's class.


Here's a shot of the sun reflecting straight down on the hood, note my hand is primarily in the picture to help the camera to properly focus for this shot. This picture has not been altered in any way except that I have resized the original down to 600 pixels wide.


Okay now, this is going to hurt your eyes... The below picture is a 600 pixel wide section cropped out of the original photo above. It also has not been altered in any way.


Ouch! that just plain hurts to look at... but we're going to fix the paint on this car and in so doing, teach approximately 30+ people how to remove swirls using their God-given hands and Meguiar's G100 Dual Action Polisher.

Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Steve_S
I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do, as well as what to stop doing immediately!

Hi Steve!

Thank you for the kind words and please remember everything at Meguiar's is team work, even during these Saturday classes there are a lot of people behind the scenes doing their part during the week to make these classes successful.

Hold on... I've been playing catch-up all day with e-mail, phone calls and posts on this forum and now it's time to start uploading ALL the photos!

:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

Mike Phillips
Sep 19th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Here are couple more shots captures with my Sony which is hands down better at capturing swirls than my Canon Rebel, just not at the same high resolution.

Original resized to 600 pixels wide


The below photo was cropped out of the above photo - no resize


And here are a couple more to kind of drive the point home as to how the original finish looks on this original Volvo...



Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 12:37 PM
After everyone had a chance to closely inspect the finish in bright light, Steve drove his Volvo back into the garage so we could begin wiping it down using Quik Detailer and Speed Detailer to remove any light dust or other contaminants from the car before we begin working on it.



After thoroughly wiping down the entire car, it was time to inspect the finish with our sense of touch to check for above surface bonded contaminants


Although this car had spend the last 20 years in an enclosed garage, the finish had a textured feel to it and it was not smooth as brand new glass, so we broke out Meguiar's Quik Clay System and everyone joined in to clay both the paint and even the exterior window glass.

Misting Quik Detailer onto the paint before claying

Rubbing the clay bar over the surface to remove bonded contaminants




Claying Glass

Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 02:51 PM
After wiping down and claying the finish, the next thing we did was to mark out two sections, one to work by hand and one to work by machine

For the hand section we used,

High-Tech Applicator Pad (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/accessoryproduct_page.cfm?SKU=X-3070)
ScratchX (http://www.meguiars.com/?auto-paint-cleaners/ScratchX)
Deep Crystal Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/?car-polishes/Deep-Crystal-System-Polish)
NEW NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-12711)

We applied everything by hand all the way up to the Tech Wax Paste.


For the machine section we used,

#80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Speed-Glaze&sku=M-80)
Meguiar's W-8006 Foam Polishing Pad (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff%3Csup%3E%AE%3C/sup%3E-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80)
NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-127)
Meguiar's W-9006 foam finishing pad (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF%E2%84%A2-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90)

M80 Speed Glaze applied with a W-8006 foam polishing pad on the G100 Speed Setting 5.0


Applying NXT Tech Wax Liquid to our W-9006 Finishing Pad


Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 02:58 PM
After we allowed both waxes to swipe clear (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2166) we asked for two volunteers from the club to remove the wax to show how easy a thin coat of wax is to remove.

First we talked a little bit about wiping techniques and how to keep you microfibers folded 4-ways to give you plenty of cushion between your hand and the finish.


Removing the paste wax


Removing the liquid wax


Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 03:02 PM
After wipe-off, we used the Swirl Finder to inspect both sides for swirls...



Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Time to back the Volvo out of the garage and inspect the results...

Gather around everyone...












And inspecting...


What are they looking at?
:D :D :D

Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 03:56 PM


After - ScratchX Side
While not perfect, it is a dramatic improvement and these results were obtained using nothing but our hands!


The above results were after 3 applications of ScratchX. What you're seeing are the remaining deeper swirls as the shallow swirls were all removed. If a person would like to remove even more or all of these swirls by hand, all they would have to do is apply ScratchX a few more times.

Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 04:04 PM


After - G100/M80/W-8006 Side


The above results were obtained after a single application of M80 Speed Glaze using Meguiar's G100 Dual Action polisher with a W-8006 foam polishing pad on the 5.0 setting.

As you can see more swirls were removed by machine than by hand. The swirls that are remaining are the deeper swirls as the shallow swirls were all removed. In order to remove the remaining swirls, all a person would have to do is to machine clean the finish again using a fresh application of the M80 Speed Glaze.

Mike Phillips
Sep 20th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Just above the two areas we worked on...


The sun positioned right on top of the tape-line...


Setec Astronomy
Sep 21st, 2005, 03:18 AM

I'm presuming that the Volvo, although sitting in storage for 20 years, is really 30+ years old. I think you have mentioned before that paint of that vintage is significantly softer than today's clearcoat finishes? Seems to me that a current finish with that level of defects would not be able to be corrected by hand or with something as mild as #80, is that correct?

Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by Setec Astronomy

I'm presuming that the Volvo, although sitting in storage for 20 years, is really 30+ years old. I think you have mentioned before that paint of that vintage is significantly softer than today's clearcoat finishes?

Except for single stage white paint the above is usually true.

Seems to me that a current finish with that level of defects would not be able to be corrected by hand or with something as mild as #80, is that correct?

No it's incorrect as we do it all the time, it would usually take longer or require more applications. Some of the before and after pictures we've posted show flawless finishes after the same process outlined in this thread, while some of the before and after pictures I've posted show less than flawless results.

The products and the process remain the same, often times the person doing the work is constant, so if the products the process and the person remain the same, yet we get different results, the most likely difference comes down to paint type and paint hardness.

Defects can be removed out of harder paints, it usually just takes longer with more effort and energy expended. We also always educate people to this point at our Saturday classes, we make sure they understand that if all the defects don't come out after applying ScratchX 2-3 times, or after machine cleaning with a cleaner/polish like M80 Speed Glaze, that this doesn't mean they won't come out, it just means you may have to repeat the process or use a more aggressive product.

Of course there are also times when you have to learn to live with the defect as we are all limited to what we can do as far as removing defects out of paint by the working film-build, or paint thickness.

"Sometimes you can improve a defect, but not always remove a defects"

Sep 21st, 2005, 10:04 AM
Just a note about one of your earlier posts (backing the car out)... it was Tom's Volvo, not mine!

Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Steve_S
Just a note about one of your earlier posts (backing the car out)... it was Tom's Volvo, not mine!

Thanks Steve, another case of typing to fast and thinking too slow...

By the way, I still have some more pictures to upload!

Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 10:47 AM
The question often comes up,

"How large of an area should I work?

The below photos kind of give you an idea of how large of an area we worked by hand and machine on this paint. The drivers side is the side we did by hand with ScratchX and the Passenger's side is the side we use the G100.



The ScratchX are is about a foot square area, if the paint had been harder and more difficult to work with, we would have shrunk both areas down in side for the defect removal process.

Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 12:13 PM
After everyone had a chance to inspect the finish and see for themselves the difference in before and after it was time for the hands-on portion of the class were we drive the car back into the garage and everyone is invited and encouraged to join in and put into practice the things they learned today!

Applying ScratchX by hand



Applying ScratchX by hand and trying out the G100


Hey you in the white t-shirt... get to work!


Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 12:18 PM
Usually after watching how to remove swirls by hand and then how to remove swirls using the G100 most people are very interested in moving up to machine polishing. This is one of the best features of our hands-on Detailing classes in that you can try not only the G100 dual action polisher out before buying one, but you can try all of the Meguiar's products out!





Here's Tom the owner trying out the G100 polisher himself!


Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 12:25 PM
After claying, cleaning, polishing and applying NXT Tech Wax, all that's left to do is to remove the dried wax. To do this we used a Gold Class Bonnet with the G100 as well as hand wiping with our Supreme Shine Microfibers...


Almost done...


Cool Un-restored Interior






Happy Owner!


Sep 21st, 2005, 02:16 PM
(from the guy in the white shirt)

I was working! I was simply working through my wife, seen scrubbing the car behind me!

74 thing
Sep 21st, 2005, 06:22 PM
What is that hand held light you are using to check for swirls after polishing and waxing? Also do you have a link on where to purchasing it? Thanks.

Mike Phillips
Sep 21st, 2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by 74 thing
What is that hand held light you are using to check for swirls after polishing and waxing? Also do you have a link on where to purchasing it? Thanks.

It's a Xenon flashlight, (basically), I'm not sure the model number for that unit.

Check out this thread,


I just bumped it...

Sep 22nd, 2005, 05:43 AM

Thanks again for the class.

And wow you (and your team) sure put in a lot of work before the class, during, and even after (putting up the pictures).

I am blown away at your passion, you definitely don't do this class for the $. Sure hope you teach a class on a rotary, I would pay money for that and feed you. If you ever need an assistant or gopher detailing a car, email me.


Sep 23rd, 2005, 06:54 AM
Hi Mike,

Just a quick question..............I never seem to see anyone using the side handle when using the G-100 any reason?


Mike Phillips
Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Blr123
Hi Mike,

Just a quick question..............I never seem to see anyone using the side handle when using the G-100 any reason?


The handle is pretty self explanatory as far as how to use it, we tell people if they purchase a G100 the unit comes with a handle and they are welcome to use it if they like, but for all practical reasons you just don't need it and sometimes it can get in the way.

Using the G100 without the handle forces a person to hold the polisher with one hand on the body which provides good placement for your thumb to turn the machine on or off, and forces you to place your other hand on the head of the unit which helps beginners to apply even pressure downward while polishing. With the handle, beginners tend to push harder on the handle side causing them to buff crooked and one of the techniques that enables the polisher to work it's best is to always buff with the face of the pad flat against the surface when possible. Sometimes when you're buffing thin panels, or curved areas you have to tilt the polisher and buff using only the edge of the pad, but when possible, you should alway buff with the pad flat to the surface.

Also, there are times when you're buffing curved areas where you can actually run the plastic handle into the paint.... without the handle, you have just removed this potential.

Of course, everyone is free to use the handle if they wish as we keep them in the cupboard in the Training Room.

Sep 23rd, 2005, 07:44 AM
Thanks Mike,

I was just curious as being an engineer I use grinders etc where the handle is more a safety feature, it keeps hands away from the disc!