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Mike Phillips
Oct 15th, 2005, 12:59 AM
Open Class for Meguiar's Online Members!

On October 15, 2005 Meguiar's will proudly host a hands-on detailing class for members of Meguiar's Online (http://meguiarsonline.com/index.php) here at Meguiar's Corporate offices in Irvine, CA.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2molLogo.jpg

Mike Phillips
Oct 15th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Everyone is ready to have fun!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2a.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2badj.jpg

Mike Phillips
Oct 15th, 2005, 02:20 PM
We had plenty of people offer their cars for the demo car but in the end we chose the Honda Del Sol because in a word, the finish was horrific!

First we all worked together to wash the car and get it clean.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2c.jpg

Then we backed the clean car out into the sun to insect the finish with our eyes...

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2d.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2f.jpg



This little girl's name is Trinity, and throughout the entire day she was always willing to demonstrate proper technique for the rest of the class to watch and learn!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2g.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2h.jpg

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Mike Phillips
Oct 15th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Everyone gets to have fun at Meguiar's!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2l.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2m.jpg


What are they looking at?

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2j.jpg


Before and after side-by-side

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2kcrop.jpg



Finished!

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2n.jpg

Mike Phillips
Oct 15th, 2005, 02:26 PM
It's time to close down Meguiar's Garage and head home, I'll try to post some more pictures later tonight after I get home and get back online.

A big thank you to everyone that attended today, you we're a fun and enthusiastic class to work with and we had a great time having you at Meguiar's!

:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

rusty bumper
Oct 15th, 2005, 02:46 PM
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2m.jpg

Hmmm......Looks like all that car detailing wore somebody out! ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Great work on the Honda guys!

John SCB
Oct 15th, 2005, 03:14 PM
Mike -

That was one of the best learning experiences I've had in quite some time! I'm the guy with the white BMW 5-series that was "begging" to choose my car for the demo. Well, I certainly learned lots from practicing on the black Honda Del Sol.

I couldn't wait to get some of the products mailed so on my way home from the class, I stopped at my local auto parts place and paid a rather gouged price (compared to what was offered today) for a clay-bar kit. I've had some sample packets of Scratch-X sitting around from a BMW show about two years ago but I had always thought it was for "scratches" only. What an eye-opener that demo was!

When I got home, I did the clay bar on the hood and noticed some big improvements...BUT...that Scratch-X stuff is awesome! It took a noticeable layer of crud off each patch I worked on. It seemed like the clay bar was a waste of time compared to the results gained with Scratch-X.

Question: Why bother with the clay bar when I can get right into some super noticable results with the Scratch-X?

Thanks again for a terrific day. bow

John

p.s. pizza was awesome too!:

HotRodGuy
Oct 15th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Looks like you remodled the class room :D

vectorz
Oct 15th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Mike,

My gf and I had a great time. You're a top notch host. Meguiar has a real asset in you and your team.

I tried looking up info on the Cyclone device, but can't find anything on it. Anyone have any URL references?

Also, in making a buying decision, I'm trying to understand the advantage/disadvantage of the Meguiar Dual Action Polisher versus a plain vanilla 7" Variable Speed Polisher you can buy at a hardware store. Can someone clarify?

tpierce74
Oct 15th, 2005, 05:44 PM
To Mike and other Meguiar's staff,

Thanks for an awesome day!!!!!!! All I can say is "Brain Overload":D

Troy

the other pc
Oct 15th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by John SCB
…Question: Why bother with the clay bar when I can get right into some super noticable results with the Scratch-X? … Different contaminants respond better to one or the other. I recently had a good example myself.

I found a small scuff in the paint on the back of one of our cars. I grabbed the ScratchX, which quickly removed the offending defect. While working the scratch I noticed a small speck, a bonded contaminant, next to the scuff. Since I had the ScratchX in my hand anyway I rubbed the speck. Nothing. I rubbed it again. Still nothing, the speck just sat there laughing at me.

Now I’m not knocking ScratchX, I love it, use it all the time. It was certainly strong enough to remove the scratch but that piece of whatever-it-was was too hard for the ScratchX to grind down quickly and the chemical cleaning action didn’t release it.

I’m sure that if I had worked the ScratchX longer and harder the thing would have eventually come off but why bother?

A small clump of clay, a spritz of #34 and one light swipe, speck gone. Easy.


PC.

Superior Shine
Oct 15th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Even after have had attended two NXT Tech classes and various other Meguiars classes, I found todays "basic" class very enjoyable!


I met allot of very nice people and had a great time.

Trinity is a doll!!

Aurora40
Oct 16th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by vectorz
I tried looking up info on the Cyclone device, but can't find anything on it. Anyone have any URL references?

http://www.cyclotoolmakers.com/index.shtml

John SCB
Oct 16th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by the other pc
Different contaminants respond better to one or the other.

Thanks PC, good explanation. Today I get to finish the rest of the car. I'll try going directly with Scratch-X on the trunk and compare results. Maybe the clay will have to be done anyway...whatever makes it look good!


:xyxthumbs

tollhouse
Oct 16th, 2005, 08:37 AM
Hi Mike

I really learned a lot from you yesterday. You really are an asset to Meguiar's.

I am signed up for the Nov 12 Prius class and will be out of town that weekend so I'm glad I got the chance to attend this class. Would you please cancel me out for the Novemeber 12 class so that someone else gets a chance to attend.

Best regards,

Al Tollhouse

imageprodetail
Oct 16th, 2005, 09:36 AM
Hey Mike,
You teach a great class!It was an awesome experience.
I took what I learned from you today,and tried it on my
friends red suburban.The results were outstanding.It was
kind of late,so I will try to get some pics today.Only problem
is now he wants me to do the rest of the truck.lol
To sum it up I learned from your class.

THANKS:bow :bounce :db: :xyxthumbs
IMAGEPRO

integraoligist
Oct 16th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Was anyone able to take a video of the class?

If so, maybe Meg's could host the file?

I really need to learn the proper way of working with the DAP and the liquids :(

the other pc
Oct 16th, 2005, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by vectorz
...I'm trying to understand the advantage/disadvantage of the Meguiar Dual Action Polisher versus a plain vanilla 7" Variable Speed Polisher you can buy at a hardware store. Can someone clarify? Try this thread: Rotary vs PC vs Regular Orbital Buffer (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1395)

romulus
Oct 17th, 2005, 04:05 AM
As always, I would like to thank Mike and the rest of the crew for this amazin class. I had the chance to attend some of the classes before, but to be honest, I always thought that I won't learn anything new this time. Boy I was wrong! I learned two or three new things that I was not aware. Keep up with the good work!
:xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs

gtp
Oct 17th, 2005, 05:58 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Phillips

Before and after side-by-side

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2kcrop.jpg



Can you explain the steps that produced these results? Its truly remarkable.. I am guessing it was Scratch-X ??:confused:

EGPrelude
Oct 17th, 2005, 10:48 AM
It was an awesome awesome class Mike.
:D

Just wanted to say thanks to Meguiar's and especially Mike Phillips for hosting such a wonderful organized event.

I really learned alot and can't wait to try out the some of the methods and stuff I got from this.


I can't express how Mike is. He is just so passionate and loving for what he does and for the company as a whole and it was just a great experience altogether.



*Just a sidenote for your memory Mike: I was the guy with the green Prelude with the orange peel that I don't want to live with.


:bigups:THANKS again MIKE/Meguiars!!:bigups:

ShammyD
Oct 17th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Dear Mike and Online Members,

Trinity and I had a memorable day at Meguiar's with you.

Mike, you deserve all the thanks the attendees have slathered on you. From me and my family, gratitude for posting the pictures right away.

To the class members, thank you for welcoming Trinity to the event. I'm only sorry we didn't get the chance to meet more of you.

The Prize

By staying 'till the end I had the good fortune of some one-on-one demo time with Mike and the high speed rotary buffer. After getting none-too-shabby results with the dual-action polisher, he brought out the heavy equipment to test the "restorability" of the finish. In seconds with the maroon cutting pad and #84 we could see a shine lurking---as I have on this forum---below the haze of product. This skillfully executed step confirmed that we weren't dealing with some unusual, hazy paint defect below the clear coat.

That deceptively simple demonstration is what I've been waiting for: a results comparison on my own car's finish, done by a pro. I am familiar with the capability of the DA polisher, and thanks to Mike's skillful training I see what I was missing.
My real testament, however, is about being blinded by the holy light of the rotary buffer.

OK, it's time to re-read those threads about which one to buy and why. And, to overcome the fear.

Yours for more training days like that one,

Brian & Trinity

hollywood9
Oct 19th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by gtp
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Phillips

Before and after side-by-side

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2MOL2kcrop.jpg



Can you explain the steps that produced these results? Its truly remarkable.. I am guessing it was Scratch-X ??:confused:


the pics don't show the whole story.

that honda looked like it had flat black paint with no clear before the class.

after the class it had an incredible shine and everyone commented that it was painted with a black containing gold flake.

the car sparkled from both the wax and the gold metallic in the paint.

i bought a ton of stuff but haven't received it yet. i'm not looking forward to the water spot removal work!

Murr1525
Oct 19th, 2005, 09:40 AM
ShammyD,

In my opinion, definately start with the DA first.. It in no way can harm your paint. Definately get the hang of it first, before trying a rotary, which can do damage.

You will also use the DA much more often than a rotary, so you may be able to borrow, or whatever a rotary for the big fix-ups. The DA will be a long time friend after the fix.

Mike Phillips
Oct 19th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Murr1525
ShammyD,

In my opinion, definitely start with the DA first.. It in no way can harm your paint. Definitely get the hang of it first, before trying a rotary, which can do damage.

You will also use the DA much more often than a rotary, so you may be able to borrow, or whatever a rotary for the big fix-ups. The DA will be a long time friend after the fix.

Just to chime in on this...

First I did try the dual action polisher on his hood with some M83 and while it did improve the finish, it wasn't fast enough or effective enough.

At this point I told ShammyD, that either the rotary buffer could fix the paint by restoring gloss and clarity or nothing could fix it and that a quick test spot using the rotary buffer would indicate this.

That's when I grabbed one of our rotary buffers with a W-7006 foam cutting pad and some M84 and buffed out a little test spot on the hood. In about 1/10 of the time, the rotary did a ton more work/ it restored clarity and gloss dramatically over what the dual action polisher achieved.

This is why I often refer people to this thread and state that the dual action polisher while a great tool, can never replace a rotary buffer.

PC + #83 not "Cutting" it! - The Limits of the Dual Action Polisher (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3056)

Mike Phillips
Oct 19th, 2005, 10:14 AM
We happened to snag a couple of photos...

Shammy's VW,

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2ShammysCar1.jpg



The Driver's side was buffed with M84 using a W-7006 foam cutting pad on a rotary buffer. Notice the increase in clarity, gloss and reflectivity.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2ShammysCar2.jpg


While the M83/G100 combo was improving the finish and a person could continue with this process and achieve dramatic results with enough time and applications, the rotary buffer produced these results very quickly.

The point is, there is time and place for every product and tool, learning when to choose one product or tool over another comes with experience and skill.

swf5150
Oct 20th, 2005, 06:04 PM
:xyxthumbs
Hello Mike,

I want to thank you for allowing me to come last Saturday to the clinic you held. Not only did i learn alot about claying and the DA buffer and paint care i also got to experience what a TOP notch Co. Meguiar's is and what a asset you are to them.

Thanks again and sorry for the late reply.

Scott :bow

ShammyD
Oct 20th, 2005, 11:59 PM
My Quest for Shine

Thank you for posting the pictures of my VW, Mike. They, along with your customarily thorough explanation, illustrate our test well.

I plan to do the rest of the hood with my DA polisher and #83 DACP. (I have #80 and will see if it can improve upon my results once I get the right assortment of pads.) I will pass along my test results and experience for all.

--Brian

SpoiledMan
Oct 21st, 2005, 02:38 AM
Brian,

You're pretty close to me. If I can help you out at all let me know. I'm a rotary packer!:D

DieBaterista
Nov 29th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Sorry the the extremely late post, had to go out of town for like a month.

Just wanted to thank you Mike, and the rest of the guys at Meguiars for putting on such a great class. I learned a lot!

Anyone else thinking of going...just go, you'll be glad you did!

Mike Phillips
Dec 17th, 2006, 07:33 PM
***Bump***