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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and proud

    are so Manny waxes
    i remeber a few what do you think or personal opnion on
    zaino
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    zymnol and dupont ordu pont wax ?

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Quote Originally Posted by buda View Post
    Paint protection plans came about because the "market wanted them."

    A paint sealant is somewhat different than a wax, not really all that much different as protection products go, but different.

    If you want an analytical discussion of the difference between waxes and paint sealants you might want to read the article I just submitted to www.mobileworks.com on the subject.

    To briefly explain. The best wax, be it natural or synthetic wax uses only what are called standard silicone fluids and at best they will last from 30 to 60 days depending on climatic conditions in the area and how the car is cared for.

    Paint sealants, among other things, uses amino-functional silicones which form a cross-linking molecule when they air dry so they bond to the finish of the paint and last, NOT FOREVER, but maybe, under the best conditions up to 6 months. Under the typically normal conditions maybe only 3 to 4 months.

    As Mike points out a dealer protection plan is nothing but a wax job and then insurance which is what the consumer wants. Someone to tell them they do not have to wax their car and it will be OK>

    Most of these plans require a reapplication within 6 months. What does that say?

    The thing that is wrong with these dealer sold protection plans is that they really do not tell the consmer the whole truth. They make them believe things that are not true.

    When I sold guaranteed paint sealants all I guaranteed was that the they will have shine and protection for one year, but they have to come in for a FREE reapplication in 6 months. We sold it for $129.95.

    Shine is subjective. The protection was determined by their subjective determination that the water was beading on the finish. Actually beading water is not a determinant of protection. Oil will make water bead. The ingredients in a paint sealant that provide protection, in fact, do not make water bead.

    Key is truth in selling.

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    1. How can you generalize all of the waxes having x ingredients and all of the sealants having y ingredients?

    2. Just because something doesn't have amino functional polymers also doesn't mean that it won't have crosslinked molecules either. In amino functional polymers (and please, mr. chemist if you're out there help me out because I haven't taken chem in a year or so), the polymer is the monomer and the amino is the crosslinking molecule. The aminos fit uniquely into the monomer and when 'bonded' are much stronger than a monomer alone.

    This is just one case of this. Meguiar's would most likely use other crosslinking molecules than aminos for various reasons, but to state "at best" performance without proof is pretty pathetic.

    Anyway, before I get personal and actually crack out my chemistry book I'll refer you to a Meguiar's 5-step process to protection and that I will guarantee for YEARS!
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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Well, if you think that a paint sealant, any paint sealant or paint finishing process will last for 5 years, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you.

    Thanks

    Bud Abraham

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Are you misunderstanding what I wrote?

    When the Meguiar's 5-step process is completed whenever required, in my case, at least twice a month will make paint last for years. I would be willing to guarantee that any time of the day. We have a 1997 Nissan Quest with pathetic Ford paint and it isn't peeling, cracking or failing in ANY sort of way. That is in the harsh winters of Canada in conjunction with beautiful road salt.

    Like I said, I'll guarantee paint by using this process for YEARS!
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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    I think there is just some simple miscommunication, or understanding going on here, that's all. Sometimes the typed word cannot convey fully the intentions of the writer's thoughts and even when they do, sometimes they are not understood as the writer intended. Happens to me all the time.

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    here in maine the dealerships use a product called ressistall.. and i have to say the warrenty they provide is very impressive. but the product is only so so.
    custom mobile detailing located in central maine

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Quote Originally Posted by cmd View Post
    here in maine the dealerships use a product called ressistall.. and i have to say the warrenty they provide is very impressive. but the product is only so so.
    Mosca said the dealership he works for uses this... have't seen him posting for a while? Let's hope his health is doing good...
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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Has any one ever heard of "Tropic Shield"? There was a panflet of it on my desk this morning.

    Edit* I just did a google search and found the web site. (tropic-shield.com) at the bottom of that page there is a link to the brochure left on my desk. The people I work with seem to be having this done to thier car despite my best efforts to educate them on proper car care. Can any one help me out with this?
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    You left out licking the water off. Oh, wait a minute, that's my cat, not my car. Uh, I mean my cat licks himself dry. I don't lick my cat dry. Or my car. -PC.

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    one of the claims is "Conventional sealants & waxes begin to melt when surface temperatures reach 75 F. Your vehicles surface can exceed 150 F in the sun!"
    You left out licking the water off. Oh, wait a minute, that's my cat, not my car. Uh, I mean my cat licks himself dry. I don't lick my cat dry. Or my car. -PC.

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    Re: Special forum just for questions about so-called paint protection plans and produ

    Isn't that why you wax in the shade and only when the surface is cool to the touch?
    2015 Fiat 500 Abarth.
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