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    Alternative to #21 and NXT???

    Hello, I'm new to the board.. I was just heading over to the ADS site to order a 12 oz bottle of # 21 before I saw the thread on the # 21 and NXT streaking and or being lumpy.

    I talked/PM'ed Tim/2hotford the other day about his # 21 topped with NXT. You can't argue with the pictures that he posted. WOW.

    Now I'm a little worried about ordering # 21 if many are having problems with it being lumpy or streaking.

    Should I hold off on ordering # 21 and or NXT until this issue is cleared up? Any other suggestions on what to use besides # 21. I really don't need 64oz of #21, but if there haven't been any problems with the 64 oz that might be the way to go?

    I'm a current "Zaino" user willing to try Meguiar's products.

    I just bought the Gold Class wash and the Meguiar's cleaner wax. What else can I use to top the cleaner wax if the # 21 and NXT are causing issues? I would like something that's pretty durability if possible. I've heard carnauba wax doesn't last very long in the hot summer sun...

    Would a Synthetic or Polymer sealant still be the way to go for a finishing product?

    PS. I have all white cars and Suv's.

    Thanks for your help and suggestions.

    John

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    I have had GREAT results on my white Nissan Titan with NXT and #21.

    I only order from ADS, and my current supply of NXT and #21 are perfectly smooth and consistent.

    My avatar pic is after #7 followed with #21...it looks pretty good for being a white vehicle.

    Don't expect TOO much when working with white, you aren't going to get much reflection - and white always looks better in failing-light...like my avatar pic to the left.

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    I didnt think that a sealant would bond over a glaze? IE 21 over 7

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    Try #20, can never go wrong there. Many people have forgotten how good #20 does since #21 has come out.

    The sealant bonds just fine over a glaze. I use #7 almost every time I dont use #80 and my car comes out great.

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    do you ever put the glaze on top of the sealant and then seal again?

    I have done this with red moose glaze and then colinite 845 with good results.

    Lets say I have Zaino on my car and I put #7 on top of it, it doesnt last so after a wash it would be gone right? I am just looking for that last oomph before meeting clients.

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    N.E.W.car, SiriusRIMZ Thanks for your comments..

    I was wondering if I went with M #20 instead of M # 21 on my white vehicles would I really be able to tell a difference in shine on white?

    Heck they all look great right now with only Meguiars cleaner wax... Heads already turn just on this stuff alone. However, I would still like a sealant.

    N.E.W.car, like you said you can't expect too much when working with white... I'm just wondering if would I be sorry If I didn't go with the # 21 instead of # 20, or with all of my cars being white car would it make little difference anyway...

    Sorry for talking in circles.. I just want your opinions before I buy either or.

    Remember I'm a current/former Zaino user so I'm not too familiar with alot of Meguiars stuff.

    I'm converting though..

    Thanks.

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    Originally posted by Nightwalker
    do you ever put the glaze on top of the sealant and then seal again?

    I have done this with red moose glaze and then colinite 845 with good results.

    Lets say I have Zaino on my car and I put #7 on top of it, it doesnt last so after a wash it would be gone right? I am just looking for that last oomph before meeting clients.
    I've never done... 21, then 7, then 21 again, as I dont think it would yeild to much more results than a regular 21 then 7 would. I'm sure you'd get a great shine nevertheless.

    I'm no expert on Zanio, but I'm pretty sure that if you applied a wax (synthetic or pure) then a pure glaze over top, you'd get that extra 'pop' but like you said, it wouldnt last too long. I did an extensive detail on a black Benz a while back, it was going to be used for prom night for one of my friends, I did #80, #21 (x2) then #7. It was stunning, a couple days later the 'pop' factor was gone, but the car still looked great. I did this detail back in early may, and up to this day, the car still looks great with the regular QD.

    I was wondering if I went with M #20 instead of M # 21 on my white vehicles would I really be able to tell a difference in shine on white?
    It's all personal taste. #20 and #21 are two of the most respected prodcuts in the professional line up. I've had the pleasure of using both, and I honestly, cannot tell the differnce in looks on a gold or silver car, so I'm thinking they would look about the same on white. The only thing I can tell being differnt is durablity, which isn't really that much. I had #21 on my Jeep all winter, and it held up, I was impressed. The general consensus is that #21 last slightly longer than #20, slighly meaning a month or less.

    If your concerned about streaking with #21/NXT I would say try #20 or #26 (if you want a Pure Wax). #20 is almost exactly like #21 but differnt for the afromentioned reasons. #7 and #26 have been a detailer's choice for years. Its all about trying something new and seeing if you like it.

    Like mike says, "If you find something you like, use it often."

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    ^^^

    Thanks for that. I just got a sample of #21 from a guy on Autopia but I also just put 5 coats of Z2 on my car so I will test it out on someone else.


    I was just curious about the glaze, something like you said to give it another pop for a 1 time event, I knew it wouldnt last unless sealed.

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    this works well for me -- cleaner wax:#7:nxt:#21 -- on a platinum colored nissan --

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    Thanks SiriusRIMZ. I'm ordering M #20 as we speak...

    Even if M #20 doesn't last as long as M# 21, I guess it won't matter since everyone of us cleans our cars a few times a week/month.. LOL

    Thanks for all the help...

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