M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

[HammerDown]

I just gotta say again how good the M21 is...I've been with it for over a year now and it amazes me how long the protection lasts, how it makes the color pop with luster and depth and the insane slick coating it leaves behind. The way it completely fills in micro swirls is a plus also.

All my other products have been collection dust...anyone want some left over NXT...lol

[bernard78]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Yup I agree with you HammerDown, I have not been able to be satified or found any other waxes/sealant to compare with M21's slickness. But I work prefer the M21 to be a bit more thicker (something like Nxt Liquid) than been so watery solution...? It flows out the bottle too much at times. And spilled all over. Hehe. Have to be more careful.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

I can't wait to try #21 this spring. Meguiars claims NXT is the most "Durable" and "best protecting", however every single person on here consistently claims the 21 lasts much longer, in regards to the feel, look and beading. HMMM- perhaps NXT does protect more, but wears off faster, thus #21 protects less when new, but overall protects longer.

[RamAirV1]

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I applied #21 to my GTO in December. In February, winter hit with a vengeance! Three snowstorms, lots of salt, calcium, magnesium, windshield washer fluid overspray, weeks with no car washing, one automatic car wash, no QD use, and the #21 has been stellar! When I washed my car last night, the water still rolls right off the paint and it still has that wet look and high gloss. I was going to add some touchup #20 but that was not necessary. A quick pass with some NXT Speed Detailer to remove a few water spots was the only maintenance I needed. The paint was still slick before I applied the Speed Detailer.

Needless to say I am very impressed!

It would be nice if the #21 would dry more quickly so I can apply it in colder weather. In other words, I would prefer less wetting action. When the temp gets below 50, it just takes too long to haze. Luckily I had a mild December so that was not an issue for me. I can still use #20 in this colder weather so that helps a lot.

RamAirV1

[J. A. Michaels]

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Around July Of last year began using 21 as my lsp. Super bowl Sunday applied 2 coats of 21. Since then just maintained the finish.(Qd the finish as needed) As this is our dry season. Well last night took the wife out to dinner, Its raing big time out. This morning went to do a errand, the car is completely dry, spot free and looks like its just been detailed. Man I love #21. great stuff.

[TH0001]

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21 is awesome, the only problem is the EXCESSIVE haze times in humid weather. It has taken almost an hour in some cases to swipe clean.

[RamAirV1]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

21 is awesome, the only problem is the EXCESSIVE haze times in humid weather. It has taken almost an hour in some cases to swipe clean.

The #21 has what they call a long "wetting time" so it can be used with a rotary buffer. That's why it can take longer to dry. I see the same thing in cold weather. I also wish they would reduce that, or have a separate formula for rotary users! It's a great product though otherwise.

RamAirV1

[sneek]

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21 is awesome, the only problem is the EXCESSIVE haze times in humid weather. It has taken almost an hour in some cases to swipe clean.

I live in a place where it is very dry, and sometime it takes almost 2 hours to fully pass the swipe test. I am playing with how I apply it ( not Meguiar's recommended techniques) and the time is coming down.

[TrufflePig]

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I live in a place where it is very dry, and sometime it takes almost 2 hours to fully pass the swipe test. I am playing with how I apply it ( not Meguiar's recommended techniques) and the time is coming down.

sneek you're starting to worry me. really?

is this what i have to look forward to when i do mine with M21 this summer.

i thought the wait time for NXT was long. oh boy.

[RamAirV1]

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sneek you're starting to worry me. really?

is this what i have to look forward to when i do mine with M21 this summer.

i thought the wait time for NXT was long. oh boy.

Heat is not a problem, I think it is the humidity and cold weather, which may be causing a problem for Sneek.

I used to have trouble with MPPP (Medallion) in cold weather, but in the heat of summer it would haze up quickly.

TH0001 is in FL IIRC and it is a lot more humid there than in the Midwest or in Canada.

The effect of humidity is considerable, more than I realized. Out in Cali they don't have high humidity so they have it easy!

Sneek, if you have any tips to bring down the haze time, feel free to share them!

RamAirV1

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Despite #21 having a more watery consistency then NXT, does it seem to deposit a thicker layer down when buffed out? I sure can't wait to try it out!

[sneek]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Well, I am playing with the speed of application. I find that if I apply it at speed 5 and work it in really well, then it takes less time to haze. I am not applying much pressure, but I am making many of over lapping passes. Note that I don't recommended doing this because it could become dangerous. At speed 5 the PC is turning quite fast, usually you would apply pressure to work something in, in turn slowing the speed of the pad, but because #21 is a sealant it does not need to break down. I am not quite sure how the velcro on finishing pads hold up to such a high speed, so try it at your own risk.

[HammerDown]

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Again I must say I wish Meguiars would come out with a (quick spray) version of the M21.

NXT Quick Spray, nahhhh...I also have that and it's collecting a lot of dust right along with my Tin of NXT Paste.

[mh68]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Again I must say I wish Meguiars would come out with a (quick spray) version of the M21.

NXT Quick Spray, nahhhh...I also have that and it's collecting a lot of dust right along with my Tin of NXT Paste.

Better yet, I've suggested a paste version. I used M21 last fall for the first time and had the same streaking problem I had with NXT liquid that I don't have with NXT paste.

Mike

[HammerDown]

Re: M21 why even bother w/anything else...?

Better yet, I've suggested a paste version. I used M21 last fall for the first time and had the same streaking problem I had with NXT liquid that I don't have with NXT paste.

Mike

No "streaking" issues here, and with a Black car that would show it the worst.
Are you allowing a long enough drying time, applying in the sun, shaking the product well etc?