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    Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Since we introduced these 3 new swirl and scratch removers in our Consumer Line and our new M205 Ultra Finishing Polish in our Professional line, many people have asked how aggressive these new products are as compared to some of our existing products that our forum members are already familiar with to help them understand the cleaning and/or abrading ability of these new products I've listed them in order of most aggressive to least aggressive reading from left to right.

    (Apologies ahead of time if you have to horizontal scroll)

    Most aggressive to least aggressive -->




    That would be from most to least aggressive,
    • M105 Ultra Cut Compound
    • Ultimate Compound
    • ScratchX 2.0
    • SwirlX
    • M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish
    • M205 Ultra Finishing Polish - M80 Speed Glaze (Different types of abrasives but close in cut ability)
    • ScratchX (Current Version being discontinued)



    NOTE: M205 is specifically formulated and intended to be used with a rotary buffer on fresh paint after the initial cut is made using M105 Ultra Cut Compound. When M105 is used correctly, they may only be some fine swirls left in the paint and this is what M205 is designed to remove. This is our new M105/M205 Tag Team primarily targeted at body shops where technicians are sanding and buffing fresh paint. Of course we know the detailing industry as well as the enthusiast segment of the car hobby will also use these products so we just want to set the record straight as to what these two products are intended to do and who they are primarily target towards.

    After seeing these products in this order some of you will want to know how some of these products can be more aggressive than our M83 DACP and yet still finish out like a fine finishing polish and the answer lies with our new super micro abrasive technology.

    Please remember that this is a relative comparison assuming all other factors are the same, for example if all products were applied with the same machine, same speed setting, same downward pressure, same buffing cycle, (length of time product is buffed), same paint panel, same temperature, etc.

    Product aggressiveness is just one factor that will affect how aggressive your defect removal process will be as all the above listed factors can and will change the aggressiveness of any product and thus your results.

    The next question someone is going to ask is where our other Pro products like M95, M86, M85, M84, M01, M02, M04, M80, M82, M09, M66, D151 will fit into the order of aggressiveness and we're not going post a scale like that because it's just too much like comparing apples to oranges.

    While some of you reading this understand Meguiar's has been primarily a supplier to the body shop industry since 1901 and we didn't start making car wax and car wash type product for "enthusiasts/car owners" until starting in 1973, many people that discover our forum don't know this and have know knowledge of the different needs a body shop will have for a product to work on paint sprayed within a day or two versus what Joe Consumer wants and needs to work on his factory baked-on paint in his garage.

    The above scale should be more than enough to help you understand the abilities of these products but at the end of the day the best thing to do is to wait till these products become available and then start using them yourself and dial in your own product recipe for the car's you're working on and maintaining.

    Thanks for understanding...

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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    But... How... Oh boy!

    Thanks Mike!

    Edit: I think it was reading it wrong. There are two separate rows? Or are you saying the three new consumer products are more aggressive than #83?

    Sorry but I've been reading the building code for the last few hours straight and am just confused in general today. lol
    Last edited by BlueZero; Nov 5th, 2008 at 01:36 PM.
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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Hang on... let me post smaller pictures....

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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    I am surprised that SwirlX is more agressive the #83.... wouldnt have guessed that.
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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Murr1525 View Post
    I am surprised that SwirlX is more aggressive the #83.... wouldn't have guessed that.
    Thus the reason the word surprised was chosen for the title

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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips View Post
    Thus the reason the word surprised was chosen for the title

    That's what I was thinking. If it was the other way I wouldn't have been surprised. So I figured it must be the way that surprises me. Thanks for the clarification Mike!
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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    This is a surprise - I would have never guess either. Very interesting! I had to read the post a couple times to make sure I was reading it properly.
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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Hi:

    Thanks for the information Mike, a big help as usual.

    Going to be a lot of work teaching us old dogs new tricks.

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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Thanks for the informational post Mike. I really like it when Meguiars products show a before and after on the label.
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    Re: Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you!

    Wow! Very surprised and most appreciative for the information, Mike.
    The Consumer Line looks like it getting some real correcting power with the Ultimate Compound. This may turn out to be a real go to on my shelf...er, bucket.
    Thanks to Megs for moving your super micro abrasive technology upstream as soon as feasible.
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