NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

[wsmithmo]

For the last three years i have used the mirror glaze 26 hi tech yellow wax for all my vehicles including my bass boat and motorcycle...i even waxed my fathers motorhome with it. It was the only wax that i would use. It is so effortless both applying and removing that i just got hooked on it. Then the NXT generation tech wax 2.0 came out and i just decided to give it a try. This is deff by far one of the best waxes available but i still have in the back of my head the loyalty to the 26. Does anyone out there believe that the Tech was 2.0 is better than the 26 because it is a brand new formula where the 26 is a couple years old?

Another thing.....Do you think that the 26 is better just because it is a mirror glaze "professional" product and the tech wax 2.0 is part of the consumer brand.

[Tuck91]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

I use Meguiars NXT Tech Wax 2.0 because i like the nice glossy look to it and because it has Hydrophobic Polymer Technology. Both NXT Tech Wax 2.0 and M26 both have their loyal fan following and you cannot really compare the two

NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 - This is a synthetic wax and adds a lot of gloss to your paint and makes colors darker and deeper. It also has Hydrophobic Polymer Technology which makes water fear your paint. It also is Meguiars best protecting/longest lasting wax. Personally, I use NXT Generation Tech Wax 99.9% percent of the time as my LSP

M26 - M26 blends the highest quality carnauba wax to create gloss and durable paint protection. Carnauba waxes usally do not last as long as a Synthetic Wax but others will also say that a carnauba wax looks better than a Synthetic. While i have tried it once, Some enthuisiast like to apply two coats of NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 and then top it off with M26.


In the end you have to make the decision and nobody else. What looks good in my eyes may not look good in yours. So in the end it is persona preference.

I hope this anwsers your questions, i am sure others will chime in as well

[mb911]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

My experiences:

I love the way hi tech yellow looks on the car, feels on the car, etc. To the back of my hand and to my eyes, it looks better than probably any wax I have used.

With NXT 2, it just doesn't feel quite as good or pop, in my opinion, as much as #26.

However, I find #26 doesn't last long at all. For that reason, unless I know I can wax again in 2-3 weeks, I prefer to use NXT, so I could go a couple months, if needed, between waxing.

[wsmithmo]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

thanks for the input, i appreciate it.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

In the end you have to make the decision and nobody else. What looks good in my eyes may not look good in yours. So in the end it is persona preference.

That really sums it up.

M26 and NXT 2.0 are both premium products, no matter that one is from our Pro line and the other a consumer product. The biggest difference isn't what line they're in but that M26 is a carnauba blend while NXT 2.0 is fully synthetic. There are plenty of advantages to synthetics but there's something about carnauba that a lot of people just don't want to give up.

And not to confuse things, but plenty of people around here actually like to top NXT (or M21) with M26 to get the best of both worlds. Talk about personal preference!!

[mb911]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

That really sums it up.

M26 and NXT 2.0 are both premium products, no matter that one is from our Pro line and the other a consumer product. The biggest difference isn't what line they're in but that M26 is a carnauba blend while NXT 2.0 is fully synthetic. There are plenty of advantages to synthetics but there's something about carnauba that a lot of people just don't want to give up.

And not to confuse things, but plenty of people around here actually like to top NXT (or M21) with M26 to get the best of both worlds. Talk about personal preference!!

This has been something I have done too. I Just worry I'm taking a lot of the NXT off, when I do it.

[akimel]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

This has been something I have done too. I Just worry I'm taking a lot of the NXT off, when I do it.

It remains an open question what precisely a second layer of wax/sealant does to the first layer. As Mike P. has pointed out, no one has proven by a reliable method that "layering" in fact happens when the second, third, fourth coats are applied--hence the official Meguiar's insistence that the purpose of the second coat is to provide uniformity of coverage, not to increase the thickness of the wax layer.

But ... if you are going to top NXT with a different wax, then you might want to wait the optimal 12 hours before applying the second coat. This will allow the polymers to effectively cross-link and bond (or whatever the heck they do). M26 is a good choice for a topper, because, unlike NXT, it doesn't contain cleaners and therefore is less likely to remove the previously applied wax layer, at least so I have read on this forum.

I sure wish that a good chemist would do some tests and give us an authoritative answer to the question of sealant layering. What happens when a second coat of wax is applied? Does it replace the previously layer? Does it re-liquify and combine with the previous layer? Does it interpenetrate the previous layer? Does it sit on top of the previous layer? Will the answers to the above questions vary depending on whether one is applying a carnauba-based wax or a synthetic sealant? Curious minds want to know.

Cheers,
Al

[Mike Phillips]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

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I sure wish that a good chemist would do some tests and give us an authoritative answer to the question of sealant layering.

One thing to think about...

• If it were possible to layer a wax or paint sealant
• If the goal is to only maximize the appearance

Then the product being used must be clear as glass to start with, that is 100% clear. Otherwise, the more of it you apply to build up the layer would have a clouding effect. That is if the product is opaque or solid in color in the bottle or can, if you're depositing more and more of this product on the surface and it is truly leaving itself on the surface, then how can something that's not clear make a surface more clear with a build-up?

Don't know if this product is still on the market and note no one on this forum nor the manufacture has ever claimed this product will create a thicker and thicker layer with no end of a coating on the surface with more and more applications.

Except for the light purple tint this Blue Coral Gel Wax is pretty close to being clear.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

This thread in our Hot Topics forum was posted in August of 2004 and to date no one has ever proven any product can be layered using this definition of layering.

Layer 1: To continually build a greater level of protection with each additional application, or layer, of a wax or protectant. (Natural or synthetic)

Layer 2: To continually increase shine, optical clarity, gloss, reflectivity, depth of color without end and/or after a plateau, or point of maximum potential has been achieved.

What's the deal with "Layering?"


Here's the entire quote from that thread,

Copied and pasted from Meguiar's *NEW* FAQ ,

13. Can Meguiar's waxes be "Layered"?

Meguiar's waxes can be layered, but two things must be tended to when layering waxes. 1) You must use the right waxes ("Layerable" waxes), and 2) You must recognize that at some point, "The Law of Diminishing Returns" takes effect.


Layerable waxes

A Layerable wax, is a wax that the protective ingredients used in the formula (natural and synthetic), are such that the protective layer left behind will not only adhere to the paint, but in subsequent applications, will adhere to itself. It also means that the carrying agents, be they solvent, water or something else, cannot be strong enough or in high enough concentrations to re-liquefy the previously applied layer, thus removing it during your attempt to add another layer.

Layerable waxes are primarily pure waxes, or protectants (as synthetic formulas are referred to) that do not contain chemical cleaners, or solvents that will remove the previous layer.

There is an exception to this rule and that is that it is possible to first apply a cleaner wax, and then apply a pure wax or pure synthetic over it.


The Law of Diminishing Returns
(Thomas Malthus "Essay on the Principle of Population" published in 1798.)

While this theory is generally used to discuss topics as they relate to the areas of economics and politics, it is a model that can also be used to explain in this case, the complex action occurring at the microscopic level on the surface of your car's finish.

The law of diminishing returns as it relates to layering,

A surface, such as an automotive paint, can only hold so much product before all you're doing is removing all subsequent coatings applied to the surface.


That is to say, after the first, second and in some cases a third application/coating, any more product applied to the surface is merely removed when you wipe the excess off after waiting for the product to cure.

At this point you've reached a plateau (or limit), as to how much wax (natural or synthetic) a surface can hold. Once you reach this plateau, all further applications of wax simply become excess that will be removed (and thus wasted), during wipe-off because it has nowhere to attach and layer.

Of course, this all depends upon your definition of the word "Layer". If your definition of the word layer follows that of Webster's Dictionary:

2 a: One thickness, course, or fold, laid or lying over or under another.

Then yes, you can layer to a certain point. For example, you can add multiple layers of layerable waxes until the limit to how much a given surface of an automotive paint can hold before each additional application is simply removed, or replaces a previously applied layer.

You cannot layer to the point of developing a measurable film-build, and this is key; without negatively affecting, or diminishing to some degree, the shine, optical clarity, gloss, reflectivity, depth of color etc. of the finish

This is especially true if the product you're applying is not clear (in and of itself) to start with. If your definition of the word "layer" follows that of definition used by some on the Internet,

Layer 1: To continually build a greater level of protection with each additional application, or layer, of a wax or protectant. (Natural or synthetic)

Layer 2: To continually increase shine, optical clarity, gloss, reflectivity, depth of color without end and/or after a plateau, or point of maximum potential has been achieved.

Then no, you cannot layer a wax, synthetic, natural, or otherwise.

With all these gurus and experts on all these other forums proclaiming they can layer a product, for some reason no one's ever posted proof or how the average person can duplicate their success.

As posted multiple times...

The silence on these people's behalf is DEAFENING!

All talk, no walk = no credibility for anything they post to any forum.

End of discussion. Remember their forum names and give them all the respect they deserve which is zero.

[3Fitty]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

I recently read (on another forum) someone who put 17 layers of an LSP on their car. That is NOT a typo. Not 1, not 7, but 17.

I'm 99% sure the person was not kidding either, so my thinking was that the person just had way too much time on his/her hands.

I've got a 3 1/2 year old and while I ALWAYS bring him out with mean when I'm detailing, I think I'd REALLY lose him after about layer number 5!!! LOL

[miahjohn]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

I recently read (on another forum) someone who put 17 layers of an LSP on their car. That is NOT a typo. Not 1, not 7, but 17.

I'm 99% sure the person was not kidding either, so my thinking was that the person just had way too much time on his/her hands.

I've got a 3 1/2 year old and while I ALWAYS bring him out with mean when I'm detailing, I think I'd REALLY lose him after about layer number 5!!! LOL

I have a hard enough time washing my car with my 3 1/2 year old son. I barely get the water hose out and find myself chasing him in his Power Wheels Mustang!

I think the answer to the above is simple, if you want to layer wax, put a coat of wax on, wait a few washes and re-apply. your car will look freshly waxed all the time and you have plenty more time to spend chasing the kids!

[ColonelCash]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

I recently read (on another forum) someone who put 17 layers of an LSP on their car. That is NOT a typo. Not 1, not 7, but 17.

I'm 99% sure the person was not kidding either, so my thinking was that the person just had way too much time on his/her hands.

I've got a 3 1/2 year old and while I ALWAYS bring him out with mean when I'm detailing, I think I'd REALLY lose him after about layer number 5!!! LOL

I've seen similar writeups, especially with a few certain products. It blows my mind, but from the retailer point of view, I bet they LOVE these customers!

[gjohn28]

Re: NXT Generation Wax 2.0 vs. 26 Tech yellow wax

One thing to think about...

• If it were possible to layer a wax or paint sealant
• If the goal is to only maximize the appearance

Then the product being used must be clear as glass to start with, that is 100% clear. Otherwise, the more of it you apply to build up the layer would have a clouding effect. That is if the product is opaque or solid in color in the bottle or can, if you're depositing more and more of this product on the surface and it is truly leaving itself on the surface, then how can something that's not clear make a surface more clear with a build-up?

Great explanation. I never thought to analyze it on the basis of optical physics, but it makes lot of sense. Almost like 99% clear, on top of 99% clear, on top of 99% = 97% clarity.

Given that two to three applications of an LSP does often appear to improve the shine and depth, it may be more because it ensures more thorough coverage, filling in more pores in the paint, not because you are actually building layer upon layer. Once all the pores are filled there is no further benefit - appearance or protection wise - to adding more LSP.

[Justin Murphy]

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I too have not seen any difference between layering the same product with more than two layers. The only reason I ever do two layers is to assure myself that I there is an even amount of product on the paint. To me deep cleaning the paint (chemical or abrasive) is more important for clarity than just waxing.

Here's my take on NXT 2.0 vs. #26:

NXT will last longer (8-10 weeks) than #26 (4-6) in my experiences. NXT is easier to use to me and #26 will stain trim. Now when it comes to looks, they are both different. NXT gives me a wet, shiny look while #26 gives a soft, deep "carnauba" look. Now to be honest, I've used NXT 10 to 1 over #26 because of the ease of use. Oh one more thing. It takes about twice the amount of 26 vs. NXT to do the same vehicle. Maybe it's just me and my technique.

[Slicked]

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If layering leads to opaqueness in the finish, then one would have to conclude that even a single layer will compromise optical clarity?

If two layers reduces the clarity of the finish, how does one layer improve clarity?

I'm a little confused.