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    Newbie needs help selecting products to restore original paint

    Newbie needs help selecting products to restore original paint?


    I am a Newbie and wanted to know what product(s) or techniques I should use to bring the original paint on my car back to life. My car is a 1965 Right Hand Drive Australian VW 1500. It still has the original paint and interior. The paint is a single stage paint lacquer or enamel. There is some burn through marks from years of the sun beaming down on the roof but it’s still a very presentable car.

    In the Volkswagen world, the car is only original once so it's vitally important to me to keep the original paint. Repainting this car is not an option so it has to be done right the first time. I want to do the best I can to restore and preserve the original paint.

    I don't have a rotary buffer and frankly, they scare me. I do have an Orbital Buffer.

    The paint has scratches and some light sanding marks which look they from #2000 grit sanding paper, so there has been some wet-sanding done in some spots. There are some areas where it looks like the paint has hard water stains all over it, these spots do come off but it takes a ton of effort.

    I am removing all the trim and masking off the high points and the rubber seals. My thoughts were to try the M105 Ultra Cut Compound, good idea or something else? Any thoughts or insight would be greatly appreciated

    Here are some pictures of the car. It’s actually pretty oxidized and needs a lot of attention so don't let the pictures fool you.

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    Anyone have any insight?

    how about you mike Phillips, seems you are a wealth of knowledge

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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    I believe Mike is unavailable today, so hang in there and he'll get to you tomorrow.

    You say you have an orbital polisher. What kind of orbital polisher do you have? Is it a dual-action polisher? If you aren't sure, does it look like any of the polishers pictured here: Machine Photos - DA Polishers - Rotary Buffers - Traditional Orbital Buffers.

    Would it be fair to say that you would prefer to work by hand? If yes, you might consider using the new Ultimate Compound followed by SwirlX.
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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    Quote Originally Posted by akimel View Post
    I believe Mike is unavailable today, so hang in there and he'll get to you tomorrow.

    You say you have an orbital polisher. What kind of orbital polisher do you have? Is it a dual-action polisher? If you aren't sure, does it look like any of the polishers pictured here: Machine Photos - DA Polishers - Rotary Buffers - Traditional Orbital Buffers.

    Would it be fair to say that you would prefer to work by hand? If yes, you might consider using the new Ultimate Compound followed by SwirlX.

    Thank for the reply

    it looks like this but its a craftsman



    I have tried This by hand and it doesnt seem to work.
    http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/produc...p?T1=MEG+A1214


    thats why i figured i should use the oribitor, it makes a bit better but not what i am looking for. i am just nervous to use the high speed one because i dont want to burn thru the paint.

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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    Thornton, your orbital is only good for the application and removal of waxes. It will be of no help to you for the removal of swirls, oxidation, and scratches by the application of an abrasive polish. You need to invest in a dual-action polisher.

    The dual-action polisher is very safe for newbs like you and me because it oscillates in such a way as to make it impossible to burn through the paint, and if you press down too hard, it simply ceases to rotate. This safety mechanism distinguishes the dual-action polisher from the rotary polisher. See Mike Phillip's article Rotary Buffers versus Random Orbital Polishers.
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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    I suggest getting Ultimate Compound and SwirlX to use on the paint.

    Or, if you have the money invest in a G110 DA Polisher. It would work a lot better than your orbital buffer
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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    I have not tried M105 with exception to using it on metal trim and by hand to remove scratches.

    Seen as your paint is single stage, M80 is a great product to use on it with it's rich oils along with paint correction.

    I agree with others, the orbital is not a whole lot good but for spreading waxes, they just don't have the power for correction. Doesn't say you can't try but the bonnets are limited. Best thing is to do a test spot. I have one and it's now retired as I had no good luck with it.

    A dual action such as the G100/Porter Cable 7424/7336 or the new G110 is a great tool and can be found easily on Ebay or here at Meguiarsdirect.com or ADS sells packages for less than 200 bucks with pads.

    I use the G100 (same as Porter Cable 7424/7336) and it works great once I learned how to use it better.

    The best advise is to start with the least aggressive product and work your way up or down on your test spot.

    I have not tried the new Ultimate Compound or SwirlX yet, so I can't comment on those, but from I've seen on the last write up at MOL Garage, Ultimate Compound works great.

    My boy has a '67 Dodge D100 with single stage paint and after a good scrubbing and some G100 action, the paint is coming around. It was severely oxidized to boot.

    Others will chime in so hang tight as MOL brass had the day off due to working on Saturday, I guess we can let them have a day off during the week too.....

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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    Thanks for the welcome on MOL and thanks for the responses.

    Anyone else have any tips? going to purchase products soon and want to get the right stuff off the start.

    thanks

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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    Hi Thorton,

    Nice all original VW you have there. Whereabouts in Oregon are you?

    As for restoring the paint while preserving it as much as possible that's a fine line to walk as removing defects means removing paint and by the picture of the roof there's already a paint thinning issue.

    Here's where you want to follow this philosophy,

    "Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

    In this case, the job done part is take the paint to it's maximum potential but this likely won't be a 100% defect-free finish due to the thin paint.

    The safest approach would be to use Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner as it is a very light or gentle paint cleaner.

    Two summers ago I had the good fortune to hand-rub out the antique paint on a 1948 Bentley. The paint was too thin to use machine safely as there were already place you could see the primer, (white), under the dark blue paint. For this project I used the Deep Crystal System and the Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner as my cleaning product.

    Hang on...

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    Re: Newbie needs help selecting product

    Hate to abuse this project done a couple of summers ago but it's a great example of what our Over the Counter Consumer Line of products are capable of and $30.00 worth of OTC products ended up with a check for $800.00 for the job, not bad for a day's work with OTC products.

    Did this 1948 Bentley two summers ago, it has an older re-paint using single-stage lacquer paint that's thin in a number of places. For this reason and because it has a lot of raised or hard body lines, (lots of older cars are like this while the body lines on many new cars look more like ice cream that has begun to melt, that is everything is smoothed over), every step was performed by hand.



    Before









    We snapped a couple shots of the trunk while the sun was at the right angle to capture a before and after shot of the paint condition.








    Quote:
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    How did you get the swirls out of that paint Mike?

    By hand using Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner followed by the Deep Crystal System and topped with M16. I have a thread on the process that I'll try to put back up after I finish adding all the photos.





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